Scott's Mock

nvot9 · 03-15-2007, 06:58 PM

If that happened, I would DIE. PERFECT draft imo. Literally PERFECT.

Thoughts? Likeliness it will actually happen?

derza222 · 03-15-2007, 07:45 PM

Not a perfect draft really because we still don't have a right tackle after that draft. Moses is a nice pick but not really a need pick. Other than that the picks are all very good. I'd be very happy if it happened and but can tell you there is a .00001% chance it does happen, and it is not perfect. Great, awesome, very good, but not perfect.

jetsfan3 · 03-15-2007, 07:47 PM

Revis-Top 15 pick
Moses-First round pick
Alma-Francis-Taken where he should go
Ramirez-Late 2nd-Early 3rd

AMAZING DRAFT. One of the best I've ever seen.

Young Nasty Man · 03-15-2007, 07:49 PM

it really is a good draft, im not a fan of taking a corner in the first inless the talent is really unbelievable, but besides Revis, everything is perfect...

can somone give me some info on Revis...

Zim3031 · 03-15-2007, 07:53 PM

I like Revis a lot, but we don't need a corner in the first round at all. The other picks are nice I guess, but the first one seems very unlikely based on Mangini's past.

Scorch · 03-15-2007, 08:25 PM

amazing...

03-15-2007, 08:30 PM

Id perfer to trade the 25th pick and get a corner in the middle of rd 2 plus pick up an extra 1st or 2nd for next yr to save chips to get the NT from Boston College in next yrs draft (forgot his name, but hes supposed to be the next great nose tackle. Hes 6-1 337 and can hold his ground very well). Moses is a nice pick but id take Jason Hill there and then take Moses ahead of Alama-Francis who i feel will b better in a 43 and we did just sign coleman to a big contract. I also feel that Justin Hickman from UCLA will be the steal of the draft in the late rounds as a pass-rushing OLB in a 34 so i wouldnt mind passing on Moses at the end of rd 2, I just dont know what other position we would pick there. As far as round 3 id take Doug Free over Manuel Ramirez because RT is more of a need. Id even try to trade down to early rd 4 to get him.

BroadwayJoe10 · 03-15-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zim3031

I like Revis a lot, but we don't need a corner in the first round at all. The other picks are nice I guess, but the first one seems very unlikely based on Mangini's past.

not to sound like im bein a dick or anything but he has only been the head coach for one draft, so its hard to what hed do based on his limited past....the only thing we can say is that he drafts based on what he feels is going to benefit the jets the most..and if drafting a corner, be it Darell revis, in the first round will help our team the most than thats who we'll draft, same thing goes for blaylock or trading down

Young Nasty Man · 03-15-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vilma

Id perfer to trade the 25th pick and get a corner in the middle of rd 2 plus pick up an extra 1st or 2nd for next yr to save chips to get the NT from Boston College in next yrs draft (forgot his name, but hes supposed to be the next great nose tackle. Hes 6-1 337 and can hold his ground very well). Moses is a nice pick but id take Jason Hill there and then take Moses ahead of Alama-Francis who i feel will b better in a 43 and we did just sign coleman to a big contract. I also feel that Justin Hickman from UCLA will be the steal of the draft in the late rounds as a pass-rushing OLB in a 34 so i wouldnt mind passing on Moses at the end of rd 2, I just dont know what other position we would pick there. As far as round 3 id take Doug Free over Manuel Ramirez because RT is more of a need. Id even try to trade down to early rd 4 to get him.

who is this NT from BC??? All i've ben hearing is this guy is a tank...

Also I dont knwo if its worth trading out of round 1 inelss your getting something really good out of it...

Zim3031 · 03-15-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadwayJoe10

not to sound like im bein a dick or anything but he has only been the head coach for one draft, so its hard to what hed do based on his limited past....the only thing we can say is that he drafts based on what he feels is going to benefit the jets the most..and if drafting a corner, be it Darell revis, in the first round will help our team the most than thats who we'll draft, same thing goes for blaylock or trading down

I was pointing towards Mangini's successes in New England with morphing unknown journeymen into capable starting corners. Now when you have a system and coaching staff capable of making mediocre players at a certain position starting caliber, does it make sense to spend first round picks on such a position?

El$anDollah · 03-15-2007, 10:16 PM

The guy from you people are talking about from BC is B.J Raiji

BroadwayJoe10 · 03-15-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zim3031

I was pointing towards Mangini's successes in New England with morphing unknown journeymen into capable starting corners. Now when you have a system and coaching staff capable of making mediocre players at a certain position starting caliber, does it make sense to spend first round picks on such a position?

yes i think it does, especially if mangini feels he can make this starting caliber corner into one of the elite starting corners...i mean mangini never drafted the cornerbacks, he was dealt with what he had and then turned them into the people we saw play...that being said i def agree with u in the fact that he can get the best out of any DB and if he feels theres a better pick in round 1 then he'll take it, but if he feels that darell revis will most benefit the team than who the hell am i to argue with him

BroadwayJoe10 · 03-15-2007, 10:53 PM

another thing i wanted to point out that i found pretty informative was how the jets havn't focused on a cornerback at all in free agency cept for the rumors that we were interested in nick harper and resigning hank poteat....i have a feeling it is because they are looking to get a corner in the draft...whether thats in the first round or not will be seen

03-15-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by El$anDollah

The guy from you people are talking about from BC is B.J Raiji

yea thats his name. Hes 6-1 337 right now (which mean by the time the '08 draft rolls around, he will b around 350). He can be that one player who makes the rest of the defense go.

Non_Sequitur · 03-15-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Young Nasty Man

who is this NT from BC??? All i've ben hearing is this guy is a tank...

Also I dont knwo if its worth trading out of round 1 inelss your getting something really good out of it...

If we trade with the Bucs we have even value of 720 points to get both their 2nd rounders. 4 2nd rounders would allow us to get a guy like Ugoh early in the round to fill our RT need, and then we could go CB-DE-OLB in the late 2nd round, then RG in the 3rd. Fill all our needs.

derza222 · 03-16-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by vilma

Id perfer to trade the 25th pick and get a corner in the middle of rd 2 plus pick up an extra 1st or 2nd for next yr to save chips to get the NT from Boston College in next yrs draft (forgot his name, but hes supposed to be the next great nose tackle. Hes 6-1 337 and can hold his ground very well). Moses is a nice pick but id take Jason Hill there and then take Moses ahead of Alama-Francis who i feel will b better in a 43 and we did just sign coleman to a big contract. I also feel that Justin Hickman from UCLA will be the steal of the draft in the late rounds as a pass-rushing OLB in a 34 so i wouldnt mind passing on Moses at the end of rd 2, I just dont know what other position we would pick there. As far as round 3 id take Doug Free over Manuel Ramirez because RT is more of a need. Id even try to trade down to early rd 4 to get him.

Thats actually a really interesting idea, I hadn't thought of trading out of the first to pick up a first round pick next year. If we could pick up a first next year and a second or third maybe this year we could pick up some linemen day one and still have a very solid draft, considering the people that are available at 25 may not be a great fit.

Zim3031 · 03-16-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadwayJoe10

another thing i wanted to point out that i found pretty informative was how the jets havn't focused on a cornerback at all in free agency cept for the rumors that we were interested in nick harper and resigning hank poteat....i have a feeling it is because they are looking to get a corner in the draft...whether thats in the first round or not will be seen

Hank Poteat is a beast.

BroadwayJoe10 · 03-16-2007, 01:24 PM

Revis ran a 4.38 at his pro-day...does this change anyones mind about not taking a corner in the first round or does his stock stay relatively the same?

derza222 · 03-16-2007, 02:02 PM

Well it will probably be adjusted to the mid 4.4 range because he ran it at a Pro-Day track and not the Combine, but it's still a very solid time. Not sure if it moves him out of our range or not, I'd certainly consider him or Houston at 25 but I don't want to reach for anyone. As long as the pick isn't a reach and fills a need to an extent I'm fine with it.

Non_Sequitur · 03-16-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadwayJoe10

Revis ran a 4.38 at his pro-day...does this change anyones mind about not taking a corner in the first round or does his stock stay relatively the same?

I could care less about a CB's 40 time as long as it's not in the mid 4.5's or higher.

For a CB the two things that matter (most) are the 10 yard and the Short Shuttle.

Jonathan_VIlma · 03-16-2007, 03:36 PM

Give us Tony Ugoh or Blalock in the first and it's perfect.

BroadwayJoe10 · 03-16-2007, 04:03 PM

who puts more stock into 40 yard times..actual nfl front offices or fans and mock drafters? ...it just seems that one tenth of a second faster doesnt all of a sudden make someone an elite talent from a great talent

derza222 · 03-16-2007, 04:28 PM

Forty times don't matter in some cases and do matter in others. If coaches aren't sure whether or not a player will have the speed to get seperation or stick with a guy or make plays in the league, there is some uncertainty there. It's just part of the equation and teams have to take it into account...

Non_Sequitur · 03-16-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadwayJoe10

who puts more stock into 40 yard times..actual nfl front offices or fans and mock drafters? ...it just seems that one tenth of a second faster doesnt all of a sudden make someone an elite talent from a great talent

(For a RB)
10 Yard speed = how quick you get to the LB's.
20 Yard speed = how quick you get to the DB's.
40 Yard speed = ability to run away from defenders if you get past the DB's.
Short Shuttle = ability to gain speed after a move is made

(For a CB)
10 Yard speed = How quickly you can match up with a WR step for step
20 Yard speed = How well you can keep up with a WR once you are locked on
40 Yard speed = How well you can stay with a WR who is running a deep fly
Short Shuttle = How well you recover after a WR puts a move on you.

BroadwayJoe10 · 03-16-2007, 07:02 PM

alright good stuff...now whats the most important out of those for the dbs, i mean i know they are all important but for a CB what generally seperates an elite cb from a good one...would it be the short shuttle? cause it seems if ur 10 yard speed isnt good u can play a little deeper and just hope ur open field tackling is good but if u can't catch up to a player who puts a move on u then ur pretty much screwed??