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Old 04-03-2011, 10:59 AM    (permalink
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Idk about you guys, but that sounds like its for a DT...

Edit: actually it sounds like complete fiction, Jerry Reese trading up? yeah okay..
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Trade: Giants give #19,4th, OLB Clint Sintim, and future 1st for #7 (san francisco)

1(7). Marcell Dareus/Nick Fairley DT
2. Marcus Cannon OT
3. Nate Irving ILB
6. Noel Devine RB
6. Mario Fannin FB
6. Adrian Moten OLB
7. Buster Skrine CB/ST

Edit: just exploring the possibility of trading up
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mehhh dareus will definitely not be there at 7, fairly debatable. I'd really like us to grab OL/DB in the 1st and ryan williams in the 2nd, maybe kendrick burney later on if we didn't take a CB later on.
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mehhh dareus will definitely not be there at 7, fairly debatable. I'd really like us to grab OL/DB in the 1st and ryan williams in the 2nd, maybe kendrick burney later on if we didn't take a CB later on.
i agree with you, but if he gets past 2 i think its a possibility. I think he's a much better fit for a 4-3 DT then a 3-4 DE.

As for your other comments, i like williams but with the down year he had id wait a round.
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anyone think the trade up could be for Von Miller?
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anyone think the trade up could be for Von Miller?
I think that could be a real possibility, yes. If the Bills and the Cardinals both pass on Miller, it is plausible to believe that we could trade up with either the 49ers or the Titans. I would personally love to get Miller in this draft!
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anyone think the trade up could be for Von Miller?
That's kinda what's becoming my dream scenario. I'd still love to see us nab Sherrod, but if we could trade up for Miller I'd do it. Hell I'd hit up Buffalo to see whether our first this year and next plus a 3rd could make this happen. If we could pair Miller and Boley outside of Goff our LB would suddenly become beastly with a sick nickel backer duo. That leaves us with a 2nd to snag either another DT or give O'Dowd a shot.
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That's kinda what's becoming my dream scenario. I'd still love to see us nab Sherrod, but if we could trade up for Miller I'd do it. Hell I'd hit up Buffalo to see whether our first this year and next plus a 3rd could make this happen. If we could pair Miller and Boley outside of Goff our LB would suddenly become beastly with a sick nickel backer duo. That leaves us with a 2nd to snag either another DT or give O'Dowd a shot.
i think they'd want more from us than that. Probably 1,2,3 this yr and 1 next yr. PP would still be my dream scenario over miller. Although i'd be very happy with miller too.
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I can't envision seeing us move up for him. It would cost too much, and it's just not in Reese's nature to do so.

I tell you what, if Patrick Peterson starts slipping, I'd actually be in favor of moving up for him instead of Miller.
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Jimmy Smith or Brandon Harris? Who would you go with?

I like both of them a lot, I'm warming up to Smith after initially being sour on him. And I've always liked Harris.

Right now if I had to choose I'd go Harris bc I love his fluidity, but Smith is growing on me.
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Not a fan of Smith for the Giants. He will not always play press coverage in our scheme which takes away from his strength and skill set. He will be asked to read routes and play zone coverage a lot more.

Harris is very talented cover guy. Might have some trouble making plays in the ball against bigger receivers that can use their bodies to shield the ball away from him. That's really his only flaw
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Yeah I love Harris's game. I figure he could be a Antoine Winfield.

I love Smith as a press man CB like you said, and I prefer press man CBs bc that's the style of defense I prefer (pressure based, press man coverage), and you figure Fewell won't be here much longer (either leaves with the staff or gets a HC job somewhere) so we wouldn't ignore Smith just for the sake of the system.

Having that said, I feel that Harris can thrive in any system. I really like his game. But Smith's physical gifts are also very intriguing.

If past history indicates anything, we'll prefer Smith to Harris. Ross and Thomas were both big CBs with long arms.

It won't matter though, bc it seems like we're leaning towards oline in the 1st.
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Im warming up to Harris, but id much rather go on the line first. DT/OT (or obviously Von Miller) are the only two positions id like to look at.

It would make things alot easier if Beatty is our LT, and if Andrews stays here to be our RT.

Beatty-Diehl-Koets-Snee-Andrews

id love that, but there are alot of if's involved. This would free us up to do that trade up that someone said was rumored.

Trade: #19, #52,6th, and future 2nd

1(8) Von Miller OLB
3. Stephen Paea UT
4. Shane Vereen RB
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I am partial to Jimmy Smith myself. It hard to find corner with his raw gifts in the late rounds of the draft. I also think its hard to find press man corners that low as well. Brandon Harris can ball, no doubt, but he is such divisive corner. I feel his draft stock has improved due to the dearth of first round talent at the position. He smell like an excellent Nickel corner. Top end speed isn't there. His ball skills are just alright. Would I use my 19th pick for that? Nope.


Smith's character concerns and that Georgia game, are the only things that scare me with Smith.
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I don't see Jimmy Smith being a good option for NYG. If we want a CB why not trade back and get Aaron Williams? I think he is a better fit than either Smith or Harris.

One dark horse I could see the Giants drafting if he is there in the second round is Danny Watkins. I could see him sliding in LG right away (with Diehl at LT) whilst grooming him as a future Center behind O'Hara and Seubert.
(lets not forget that O'Hara, Seubert and Koets didn't snap in college)
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Im warming up to Harris, but id much rather go on the line first. DT/OT (or obviously Von Miller) are the only two positions id like to look at.

It would make things alot easier if Beatty is our LT, and if Andrews stays here to be our RT.

Beatty-Diehl-Koets-Snee-Andrews

id love that, but there are alot of if's involved. This would free us up to do that trade up that someone said was rumored.

Trade: #19, #52,6th, and future 2nd

1(8) Von Miller OLB
3. Stephen Paea UT
4. Shane Vereen RB
6. Jake Kirkpatrick C
6. Mario Fannin FB
7. Buster Skrine CB
why slot out kareem mckenzie who was one of our best Olinemen this year? Hm i've also done some thinking, probably won't happen but trading back and grabbing kyle rudolph would also be a good move IMO

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Kyle Rudolph.....hell yes. The biggest problem is that Killdrive doesn't throw to the TE. Didn't we pick up a TE a few years ago early in the 2nd round?

Is there anything to all this trading up to get Von Miller business? All logic yells no. Additionally, how could we trade up to get Miller and still have all of our picks.

Another question:
If Bowers falls to where we are, would you be ok with the pick?
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Kyle Rudolph.....hell yes. The biggest problem is that Killdrive doesn't throw to the TE. Didn't we pick up a TE a few years ago early in the 2nd round?

Is there anything to all this trading up to get Von Miller business? All logic yells no. Additionally, how could we trade up to get Miller and still have all of our picks.

Another question:
If Bowers falls to where we are, would you be ok with the pick?
we picked up travis beckum in the back end of the 3rd round a few years back, i don't really see him outperforming boss though. We'd obviously have to trade quite a few picks to get up to miller, consensus is that he won't make it past 5 to the cards, so that's hardly worth talking about anyway. And no i wouldn't want bowers, in the 2nd definitely, the team always says value before need, but i think we have enough DE's for now.
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I was talking about Shockey. It was a poorly worded allusion. We picked him up in the second round, and Rudolph reminds me of him. Not as physical, but very athletic.

I know we picked up Beckum, and I was completely puzzled by the move. They brought him in as an H-back, which I guess is Gilbride speak for screens and check down receiver.

There were two to three better options out there too. Cornelius Ingram, Shawn Nelson were the two I remember most. Zach Miller I believe was also passed up, but he wasn't on my radar.
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I was talking about Shockey. It was a poorly worded allusion. We picked him up in the second round, and Rudolph reminds me of him. Not as physical, but very athletic.

I know we picked up Beckum, and I was completely puzzled by the move. They brought him in as an H-back, which I guess is Gilbride speak for screens and check down receiver.

There were two to three better options out there too. Cornelius Ingram, Shawn Nelson were the two I remember most. Zach Miller I believe was also passed up, but he wasn't on my radar.
we took shockey at 14th overall tho.
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Miller's easily going to be the best defensive player of this entire draft class, imho, but there's no way he falls out of the top 5.
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Miller's easily going to be the best defensive player of this entire draft class, imho, but there's no way he falls out of the top 5.
Bold statement considering fairley/dareus/peterson are all elite defensive prospects. I'd put my money on peterson personally.
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Bold statement considering fairley/dareus/peterson are all elite defensive prospects. I'd put my money on peterson personally.
Fairley has elite physical talents but has huge character concerns and I see alot of lazy in him that will prevent him from realizing his full potential.

Dareus is nothing more than a 2-gap run stuffer with average pass-rushing ability that will turn into a Vonnie Holliday or a Brett Keisel in the NFL.

Peterson will be an elite cornerback but cornerbacks can only do so much to impact a game.

Miller has all of the physical tools to be the next DeMarcus Ware, and he is almost entirely free of character concerns as well. If I were to put money on the most sure-fire prospect in this draft, it'd be him. Plug him in either into a 4-3 as a WLB or a 3-4 as an OLB, and he'll be one of the top 5 players at his position within 2 years in the NFL.
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I'd say Miller, Peterson, and Robert Quinn are the 3 best defensive players in this draft.

Jimmy Smith could put his hat in there if it wasn't for character concerns.
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