2011 Falcons Draft Discussion - Page 19

Falconguru · 03-22-2011, 03:45 PM

After further review I stand corrected about Houston's past performance. While I think the chances are high he is still on the board at 27 I still wouldn't put all the eggs in one basket. Clayborn seems to be the next best option alhthough what is worryisome is he doesn't have the quick first step and mainly uses power. In the NFL lineman won't let you bull rush them unless your Reggie White 2 so I can see him getting more neutralized than Houston. If Houston is off the board and the Falcon's don't want Clayborn then who?

Akeem Ayers? Aaron williams or Brandon Harris depending on whose on the board? Yeah I doubt Brooks Reed will be a 4-3 def end so he is out.

FTRWRTR · 03-22-2011, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

How many playoff wins? Exactly. It was a nice way to rebuild, but we got completely dominated and exposed when it matters most.

So add more explosive players on offense even if those players are gambles because the defense is young and inexperienced? Your suggestion is just the latest illustration of fans being impatient and trying to fix something that isn't broken. Just let dimitroff and smith do things their way.

ATLDirtyBirds · 03-22-2011, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FTRWRTR

So add more explosive players on offense even if those players are gambles because the defense is young and inexperienced? Your suggestion is just the latest illustration of fans being impatient and trying to fix something that isn't broken. Just let dimitroff and smith do things their way.

You realize that everyone in the draft is a "gamble" right? If something wasn't broken, we would have you know, maybe won a playoff game. And I am letting them do things their way. Have you not read anything they've said this offseason? It's obvious they realize they failed to have enough explosiveness on the team and are set on getting it.

Falconguru · 03-22-2011, 05:17 PM

I just watched Path To The Draft and they analzyed Houston. The main concern is he disppears in games and Mayock doesn't think he is 1st round talent. They said you have to be concerned with workout warriors who far exceed what they see on tape. Houston worked out great today but will he be one of the potential studs we need to eventually become elite? I'm hoping TD doesn't get tunnel vision on the 27th pick. Of course houston will upgrade the pass rush which was pretty sad to begin with but to bypass a potential pro bowl player 2-3 yrs from now is that what you want?

Bosanac01 · 03-22-2011, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falconguru

I just watched Path To The Draft and they analzyed Houston. The main concern is he disppears in games and Mayock doesn't think he is 1st round talent. They said you have to be concerned with workout warriors who far exceed what they see on tape. Houston worked out great today but will he be one of the potential studs we need to eventually become elite? I'm hoping TD doesn't get tunnel vision on the 27th pick. Of course houston will upgrade the pass rush which was pretty sad to begin with but to bypass a potential pro bowl player 2-3 yrs from now is that what you want?

They are all college players turning pro. No one is a pro bowler, for all we know Justin Houston could be the best player to come out looking back in 2-3 years.

The easiest way for an "expert" to criticize a DE is to say they disappear from games. Pretty much all of them disappear from time to time, even really good DEs in the NFL disappear and have games where they don't even make a single tackle.

Falconguru · 03-22-2011, 08:14 PM

When someone says disappears in games that means they don't make an impact on the game at all for to long a time period. Stats can be padded and the main thing is to project a player if he can indeed live up to that potential. When a few scouts say a player disappears perhaps you don't think alot of it but when a majority do then there could be a problem.

True we don't know which players will be pro bowlers but the better teams evaluate players better and thus become elite teams for a long period of time.

Bosanac01 · 03-23-2011, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosanac01

Houston is having his pro day tomorrow. Wouldn't surprise me if he broke 4.5

Next thing I'm gonna say is it wouldn't surprise me if he get selected by the falcons.

Falconguru · 03-23-2011, 01:01 AM

I'll accept whoever TD drafts and should most of us. We have no choice right,haha? Outside of Houston (provided Kerrigan is gone) I don't see any potential def ends that have the potential to do well. Why do I get the sneaky suspicion that the Saints will take Houston underneath our noses?

I guess if we can't trade down I'd almost want to draft Brandon Harris, Williams, T Smith,Ayers if one is available. I know a number of draft experts have Clayborn going to the Falcon's but like I said above on previous note he won't be able to bull rush off linemen in the pros. He lacks a quick first step thus he is more a tweener which really doesn't fit our scheme. Any thoughts who you guys might want if Houston,Kerrigan are gone and you can't trade down?

Bosanac01 · 03-23-2011, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falconguru

I'll accept whoever TD drafts and should most of us. We have no choice right,haha? Outside of Houston (provided Kerrigan is gone) I don't see any potential def ends that have the potential to do well. Why do I get the sneaky suspicion that the Saints will take Houston underneath our noses?

This is easily the best DE class in a very long time. A lot of guys have the potential to be very good, the question is weather or not they reach that potential. Also there a lot of great pass rushers that will fall in the 4th or 5th rounds, and we can perhaps draft more than one guy.

I guess if we can't trade down I'd almost want to draft Brandon Harris, Williams, T Smith,Ayers if one is available. I know a number of draft experts have Clayborn going to the Falcon's but like I said above on previous note he won't be able to bull rush off linemen in the pros. He lacks a quick first step thus he is more a tweener which really doesn't fit our scheme. Any thoughts who you guys might want if Houston,Kerrigan are gone and you can't trade down?

I haven't really seen Adrian Clayborn trying to the bull rush too often. I don't see him as a good candidate however. My knock on him (on field) is that he doesn't have the best first step and will hop of slow from his stance. His motor is on and off as hejust doesn't try sometimes, and he misses a lot of tackles.

edit: I just now realized i pretty much just repeated what you said.

Bosanac01 · 03-23-2011, 10:46 AM

Falcons look like they are really in for a Linebacker, it's probably our #3 need. We underestimate the position because we have so many guys there and we drafted spoon last year, but they have been playing terrible. If we can get a nice pass rusher and a 3rd down linebacker, that should really pump this defense up. I would love Mike Mohammad in the 4th round.

FTRWRTR · 03-25-2011, 11:37 AM

It's being reported by the AJC that the falcons are talking to cleveland about the possibility of trading up if AJ Green falls to them. I'm skeptical about anything actually happening but it's an interesting possibility

Bosanac01 · 03-25-2011, 11:51 AM

Falcons are going to look at every possibility, but I don't see them trading up that far.

SimonRath · 03-25-2011, 01:07 PM

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/03/24/mayo...se-st-pro-day/

Titus Young looks/sounds like he'll be a beast in the NFL.
Cant believe he compared him to Roddy White though..

Bosanac01 · 03-25-2011, 01:37 PM

Roddy White in the 170s? He's also about 2 inches taller, haha.

UAB had him at about 6-2 / 205

Boise has Titus at 5-11 / 175

BamaFalcon59 · 03-25-2011, 05:59 PM

Yeah, UAB had Roddy at 6'3". Still not sure how there are such discrepancies on height/weight listings.

Roddy at 6'3" would be insane!

Bosanac01 · 03-25-2011, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59

Yeah, UAB had Roddy at 6'3". Still not sure how there are such discrepancies on height/weight listings.

Roddy at 6'3" would be insane!

You would think colleges measure their players and give out the correct information but their listings are outrageous. For the same reason high school coaches do it, they want their players more exposed so it gives them more recognition.

FTRWRTR · 03-26-2011, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosanac01

You would think colleges measure their players and give out the correct information but their listings are outrageous. For the same reason high school coaches do it, they want their players more exposed so it gives them more recognition.

They do measure and weigh their players then lie about it. Sad thing is the "experts" fall for it. Case it point, matt stafford was listed at 6'3 230 when he came out. Espn's guys kept talking about him as being this "big" qb, some of them even mentioned him being 6'4 or closer to 6'5. They continued to hype him up as a "big" qb even though at the combine he came in at 6'2 221, that's average size for a qb. Crazy.

Bosanac01 · 03-26-2011, 03:49 PM

Actually in Stafford's case yes he was always listed at 6'3, but he slimmed down a lot for the combine. He was always criticized for being too fat and weighing as much as 240+.

FTRWRTR · 03-27-2011, 12:08 PM

LOL, maybe he should've stayed fat because he was durable when he played at UGA. Now it seems they can barely keep him on the field.

Bosanac01 · 03-27-2011, 01:03 PM

How bout we draft a QB this year? I would like a mid to late round guy who we can groom behind Matt.

FTRWRTR · 03-28-2011, 02:36 PM

The Falcons have former alabama qb, John Parker Wilson to backup ryan. Personally, I like him a lot and definitely more than any qb who would be available in the mid rounds

BTW hazelton ran a 4.5 at his pro day.

dunagan15 · 03-28-2011, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FTRWRTR

The Falcons have former alabama qb, John Parker Wilson to backup ryan. Personally, I like him a lot and definitely more than any qb who would be available in the mid rounds

BTW hazelton ran a 4.5 at his pro day.

JPW is horrible, if he ever saw the field, I think thats our clear cut sign that the Falcons would forever be doomed.

Also, LOL at Dez Bryant

Bosanac01 · 03-29-2011, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dunagan15

JPW is horrible, if he ever saw the field, I think thats our clear cut sign that the Falcons would forever be doomed.

Also, LOL at Dez Bryant

Agree, JPW can only play againt pre-season scrubs.

Oh and LOL at DEZZZ!! I'm even more mad that we didn't draft him now.

BamaFalcon59 · 03-29-2011, 10:20 PM

JPW is horrible and a pansy.

D-Rod · 03-30-2011, 09:32 AM

Talib - another reason why investing an early pick in a character risk is a dubious investment... although his incident is impressive even by NFL standards.

Lower round picks, on the other hand, (e.g., Devine) are far less of a risk, and they can be jettisoned at the first sign of trouble.