2011 Falcons Draft Discussion - Page 3

TheFalconsFan · 01-08-2011, 08:32 PM

I doubt he'll be on the board but it'll be like if we hit the lottery if we land Jonathan Baldwin

Pros: great size (6'5'') good hands, knows how to use his frame and size,
big red zone treat, great after the catch

Cons: Doesn't have brake away speed, sluggish out of the brakes,
he needs to improve his route running, some have said he has character issues
(If Terry Robiskie can whip Roddy into shape I'm sure he could whip Baldwin into shape)

D-Rod · 01-10-2011, 07:53 AM

Great quote from TD, via MMQB:

Quote of the Week IV
"All we need is this Luck to be drafted by Carolina.''
-- Atlanta general manager Thomas Dimitroff, to New Orleans coach Sean Payton on the field before their Dec. 27 game in Atlanta, referring to Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck.

Luck, luckily for the rest of the teams in the NFC South, announced Thursday he was staying at Stanford. What a super-division of quarterbacks he would have joined, with Drew Brees (New Orleans), Matt Ryan (Atlanta) and rising star Josh Freeman (Tampa Bay) in-house. Jimmy Clausen (Carolina) just breathed a pretty big sigh of relief.

D-Rod · 01-10-2011, 07:55 AM

Regarding our draft, I don't think our offense needs a guy like Baldwin, I think it needs two clones:

1. Wes Welker
2. Ray Rice

For our first round pick, for me it's all about DE. OT or WR only if there is outstanding value.

D-Rod · 01-10-2011, 07:56 AM

If TG does retire, I'd throw some money at FA-to-be Zach Miller rather than drafting someone.

ATLDirtyBirds · 01-10-2011, 08:40 PM

Jerrel Jernigan.

SimonRath · 01-10-2011, 10:24 PM

i wanna get Jacquizz Rodgers in the later rounds.

Bosanac01 · 01-10-2011, 11:28 PM

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i wanna get Jacquizz Rodgers in the later rounds.

Damn, where the **** you been?

and Jacquizz Rodgers would be a nice pick but he is really damn small. I wouldn't mind him or Derrick Locke.

SimonRath · 01-11-2011, 10:25 AM

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Damn, where the **** you been?

and Jacquizz Rodgers would be a nice pick but he is really damn small. I wouldn't mind him or Derrick Locke.

haha i took a break from here to get my life fixed. but im back now :)

Jacquizz would be the perfect change of pace back for Turner in my opinion. Dude also has amazing hands from what ive heard.

thefalconer · 01-11-2011, 02:06 PM

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haha i took a break from here to get my life fixed. but im back now :)

Jacquizz would be the perfect change of pace back for Turner in my opinion. Dude also has amazing hands from what ive heard.

sounds like jail to me. welcome back though and feel free to troll in the packers forum.

SimonRath · 01-11-2011, 06:10 PM

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sounds like jail to me. welcome back though and feel free to troll in the packers forum.

haha naw, not jail.

my brother is a die hard packer fan so it'll be a interested sunday night taco mac visit.

callmejohn · 01-16-2011, 07:19 AM

How does that terrible showing in the last game affect your assessment of our needs going into next year? I went from thinking we needed RB/WR to needing DE/CB in round 1. You just have to be able to get pressure with only your front four.

ATLDirtyBirds · 01-16-2011, 07:41 AM

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How does that terrible showing in the last game affect your assessment of our needs going into next year? I went from thinking we needed RB/WR to needing DE/CB in round 1. You just have to be able to get pressure with only your front four.

We also need to be able to score because our ***** ******* coverage allows teams to march down the field.

scar988 · 01-16-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by callmejohn

How does that terrible showing in the last game affect your assessment of our needs going into next year? I went from thinking we needed RB/WR to needing DE/CB in round 1. You just have to be able to get pressure with only your front four.

CB wasn't the problem. while yes, we do need a better nickel, we don't need to draft one. I think we need to let Franks have a shot, when he played earlier this season he looked ten times better than Owens and Williams. Another thing we need is to get A LOT more pass rush.

SimonRath · 01-16-2011, 09:04 AM

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CB wasn't the problem. while yes, we do need a better nickel, we don't need to draft one. I think we need to let Franks have a shot, when he played earlier this season he looked ten times better than Owens and Williams. Another thing we need is to get A LOT more pass rush.

I agree with the pass rush need. Everyone is saying it is our CB's fault for allowing Aaron Rodgers to throw all over us, im sorry but we got close to zero pressure last night and when ever we did we didn't finish the sack.

the_dark_knight · 01-16-2011, 09:11 AM

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CB wasn't the problem. while yes, we do need a better nickel, we don't need to draft one. I think we need to let Franks have a shot, when he played earlier this season he looked ten times better than Owens and Williams. Another thing we need is to get A LOT more pass rush.

I was wondering about Franks too. He only got 2 snaps at CB that I saw. Both against Larry Fitzgerald, one was a tackle, one was an interception. Seems to me you'd want that kind of player on the field.

I watched the Falcons lose to the Saints and think that Brian Williams had as much to do with the loss as anyone in the game, even more than Turner's fumble, how many sacks did he miss, 3, 4?

Of the Falcons games I've seen, I think that the Falcons are lacking a true #2 WR to be that elite offense they are capable of being. They need to get Harry Douglas more involved from the slot. I also wonder what happened to Lawrence Sidbury, did he even play this season? So I wonder if DE is really a need, or if they just need to use their personnel. Their CB spot seems awfully week outside of Robinson. I kept reading about how good Brent Grimes was, and how he led the NFL in pass breakups, but that happens when you get thrown at every play. He gave up a ton of plays, seems like he's got the knack for making big plays, but also giving up drive extending plays a lot.

That being said I would put the Falcons order of need

1a.) WR
1b.) CB
2.) DE
3.) OL
4.) OLB

the_dark_knight · 01-16-2011, 09:11 AM

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I agree with the pass rush need. Everyone is saying it is our CB's fault for allowing Aaron Rodgers to throw all over us, im sorry but we got close to zero pressure last night and when ever we did we didn't finish the sack.

I disagree, even when they dropped 8 in coverage the LBs and CBs were just getting burnt up.

SimonRath · 01-16-2011, 09:13 AM

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I disagree, even when they dropped 8 in coverage the LBs and CBs were just getting burnt up.

it didn't help that we let Aaron stand there and not look rushed.

SimonRath · 01-16-2011, 09:14 AM

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I was wondering about Franks too. He only got 2 snaps at CB that I saw. Both against Larry Fitzgerald, one was a tackle, one was an interception. Seems to me you'd want that kind of player on the field.

I watched the Falcons lose to the Saints and think that Brian Williams had as much to do with the loss as anyone in the game, even more than Turner's fumble, how many sacks did he miss, 3, 4?

Of the Falcons games I've seen, I think that the Falcons are lacking a true #2 WR to be that elite offense they are capable of being. They need to get Harry Douglas more involved from the slot. I also wonder what happened to Lawrence Sidbury, did he even play this season? So I wonder if DE is really a need, or if they just need to use their personnel. Their CB spot seems awfully week outside of Robinson. I kept reading about how good Brent Grimes was, and how he led the NFL in pass breakups, but that happens when you get thrown at every play. He gave up a ton of plays, seems like he's got the knack for making big plays, but also giving up drive extending plays a lot.

That being said I would put the Falcons order of need

1a.) WR
1b.) CB
2.) DE
3.) OL
4.) OLB

WR is not our 1st need. did you see our D last night?

Draft King · 01-16-2011, 09:39 AM

I'd say our top three needs are a pass rusher, receiver, and a scat back.

the_dark_knight · 01-16-2011, 09:40 AM

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WR is not our 1st need. did you see our D last night?

I saw a defense that was on the field way too much last night. I saw a defense that gave up a long drive after some really bad no calls on the rape that was happening on the line by the Packers on 3rd downs. I saw a defense that didn't get a break after that and got gassed because of the big kickoff return touchdown. I saw an offense that put the defense in really bad spots 2 different times. 4 turnovers.

I saw a coach that made a bad decision to try to get more yardage at half, and I saw a QB that compounded a bad coaching decision by throwing a pick 6 and taking the game from 21-17 to 28-14 and ended the game in the first half. So, you can't blame ALL of that on defense.

Draft King · 01-16-2011, 09:41 AM

How is this for our first three picks?

1st - Ryan Kerrigan
2nd - Leonard Hankerson / Jerrel Jernigan
3rd - Noel Devine

the_dark_knight · 01-16-2011, 09:44 AM

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How is this for our first three picks?

1st - Ryan Kerrigan
2nd - Leonard Hankerson / Jerrel Jernigan
3rd - Noel Devine

I would say the Falcons with those additions would be beyond frightening.

ATLDirtyBirds · 01-16-2011, 09:55 AM

Jerningan won't make it into the deep 2nd round, and Noel Devine is not someone the Falcons would pick.

Draft King · 01-16-2011, 09:57 AM

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Jerningan won't make it into the deep 2nd round, and Noel Devine is not someone the Falcons would pick.

Sadly this is true, however I think one of either Jernigan, Torrey Smith, or Hankerson will make it there. I would be estatic with any of them.

ATLDirtyBirds · 01-16-2011, 10:02 AM

Let's be honest here guys, we won't draft anyone explosive like this. We'll hear about how Harry Douglas needed the year with his knee and the same with Peria. We'll draft a "complete" defensive end who will serve as nothing more than a similar player to what Kroy was this year, or we will draft an OL who will sit for a year behind whoever the starter is in front of him. (Clabo, McClure, or Baker). And forget making a big splash like Gaither or Vincent Jackson in Free Agency. We'll add a solid player or two and act like he's the missing piece when he'll just be a slight upgrade over what we have and than we'll play well and get thrashed again for being amazingly predictable.