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Old 03-14-2011, 10:31 AM    (permalink
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Gilbert might be an OG for the Pats.
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What do you guys think of this list of guys who don't fit in New England?

RB Daniel Thomas, Kansas St. - character/intelligence issues, runs way too high, horrible ball security
Not worth the pick, in my opinion. Runs like a QB. pass.


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RB Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech* - sophomore, durability/toughness, lack of production
I know lots will disagree, but I have his team-mate as the better player. Darren Evans > Ryan Williams and Evans is going from 4-FA. So, yea.

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WR Jon Baldwin, Pittsburgh* - threw coaches/teammates under the bus, arrested, takes plays off, lack of passion?
This guy could be TO in all respects. He has a huge chip on his shoulder with elite talent. The real problem I have is that he may become a locker-room cancer. I can completely understand calling out his team-mates. His QB is ****. His coach is incompetent. He's a better player than what he showed at Pitt, but I don't know if it's worth the risk.

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OT Marcus Cannon, Texas Christian - no mean streak, questions of whether he loves the game or not, where does he fit?
He's a guard. His weight isn't problem, because he carries it well. He's even slimmed down a touch since weigh in a 350 pounds at the combine. He just needs a mean streak - he could be special.

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OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin - lack of flexibility, poor kick slide, more of an inline blocker (Pats use ZBS)
Guard, maybe a RT. I see a RT at best. If Belichick feels he can play guard and tackle, then I could see him being pick #28, but I don't see a LT at all.

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DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa - lack of ideal size for two-gap end, arrested, not athletic enough to play OLB
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LB Brooks Reed, Arizona - workout warrior who was outproduced in college by a late round prospect, can't shed blocks, questionable instincts
I think he can be coached quite a bit. He's worth a look. I hate Texas (soft bitches) players but Sam Acho could be the guy everyone is overlooking in this draft. I'd rather have Acho at 60 than Brooks Reed at 28.

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CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado - does he want to be a celebrity or football player, character issues, Patriots never draft tall CBs
Jimmy Smith is probably not a good fit for the scheme, but I can see a special player. His head is screwed up though. Avoid.

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Gilbert might be an OG for the Pats.
I think he's a player who could play RT which basically means you can play LG and RG. In this day, a RT is a LG with better athleticism and feet.
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anyone have the latest on the who the patriots have visited with or worked out?

- apparently BB was the only NFL head coach who went to the Florida pro day. hahah maddd funny.
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anyone have the latest on the who the patriots have visited with or worked out?

- apparently BB was the only NFL head coach who went to the Florida pro day. hahah maddd funny.
Not surprising however haha.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110315_source_patriots_worked_out_maryland_wr_to rrey_smith


Torrey Smith worked out for us or we worked him out however that works
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Torrey Smith worked out for us or we worked him out however that works
gulp. ill be extremely angry if we draft him in the first round. i prolly wouldnt watch the rest of the draft if that happened. Please Bill, stick with the trenches and we will be all set!
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It's a nice interview. Seems like a decent kid. I am divided on Torrey. If the Pats draft a WR high I'd rather they just trade up for Julio. Either that or take Hankerson. But I don't think they need to do that, and honestly I doubt they will take a WR very early in this draft. As for Smith himself, he's got good play making ability, but he catches with his body so much, that's a concern. Really don't like that.
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Pats pulpit has a list of who they worked out. Not sure how accurate it is or how often they update it.

http://www.patspulpit.com/2011/3/15/...t-updated-3-15

And you can add Pouncey to the list as they worked him out yesterday, not surprisingly.
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I'm not too worried about Torrey Smith in the first. He's likely to be a second round target - though I'd rather pass on him for Hankerson, same as TN.

A shifty, fast, middle-crossing WR with KR skills . . . just doesn't seem like a big need for us, even if he has the "home-run" ability every team covets.
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While we're on the topic of WRs . . .


Can somebody explain to me why Hankerson's stock isn't rising significantly? He's still projected / mocked as a late second round WR (at best) despite seemingly doing everything right.

He dominated the Senior Bowl. Then he proceeded to blow up the combine, especially with his 40 that should silence the "doesn't have deep speed" criticism.

I don't understand how he doesn't get at least a 20 pick bump up the boards based on those results. It kind of reminds me of Graham last year - he was projected as a late first value b/c of various questions. He cleared up those questions and was drafted much higher than expected. I see Hankerson as a kid who jumps to the early second based on attributes / results / production. His senior & team captain status make me think he'll be on BBs radar in round 2.
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Can somebody explain to me why Hankerson's stock isn't rising significantly? He's still projected / mocked as a late second round WR (at best) despite seemingly doing everything right.

He dominated the Senior Bowl. Then he proceeded to blow up the combine, especially with his 40 that should silence the "doesn't have deep speed" criticism.

I don't understand how he doesn't get at least a 20 pick bump up the boards based on those results. It kind of reminds me of Graham last year - he was projected as a late first value b/c of various questions. He cleared up those questions and was drafted much higher than expected. I see Hankerson as a kid who jumps to the early second based on attributes / results / production. His senior & team captain status make me think he'll be on BBs radar in round 2.
i really like him too and am not quite sure why people are still mocking him there. i see him being an early 2nd round pick. i guess some people dont "love" his hands.... apparently he had a few drops during the senior bowl week at practice... i think something like 4 drops at the combine.... that would be my only reasoning. i love the guy tho
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The depth at WR hurts him, too, I guess. I still don't see him making it past pick 43 - especially with Cincy / Denver / Cleveland / Washington / Minnesota from 35 to 43. He has too many solid attributes with the major knocks being put to rest.
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I really don't think the film justifies Hankerson going in the first round. He had a real strong Senior Bowl showing, but he also showed off his limitations. He drops a lot of balls and has major lapses in concentration. Ran much better than expected, but he doesn't play up to that speed. I really wouldn't mind taking him at the end of the first, but Torrey Smith is a significant upgrade both in terms of hands and talent and if we were going to go WR, I would prefer going in that direction if everything else was created equally.
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It's so hard to trust Maryland players, though.
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He passes the eyeball test in ways that DHB never did for me(although I loved DHB too, just not his hands). He looks natural catching the ball as opposed to DHB(or Brandon Tate for that matter who some have said he compares to). That's what sets him apart from the other toolsy second tier receivers.
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He passes the eyeball test in ways that DHB never did for me(although I loved DHB too, just not his hands). He looks natural catching the ball as opposed to DHB(or Brandon Tate for that matter who some have said he compares to). That's what sets him apart from the other toolsy second tier receivers.
It's not just DHB, though. It seems like most Terps come out pretty highly touted and go the route of DHB / Vernon Davis - underachievers.

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I think the 33rd pick has too much value to not be traded. Looking at the board in the second shows too many teams needing a QB. It starts with Buffalo @ 34. If the Bills don't take a QB at 3 (which I think they should not do based on QB value) then all the teams below them would look to jump up over them.

34. Buffalo Bills
35. Cincinnati Bengals
38. Arizona Cardinals
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43. Minnesota Vikings

San Fran and Jax aren't far behind, either.
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I wouldn't exactly call Vernon Davis an underachiever. He's been the best tight end in the NFL for two years now. As for other Maryland Super Athletes; just ask Ravens fans about Jared Gaither. Played like a top five LT before being pushed out for Michael Oher/disputes with the organization. Not a death sentence by any means, unless you just suck at football like Bruce Campbell.
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The major knock on Hankerson is focus and hands. He dropped quite a few passes at the combine and combined with his drops in college some teams are going to be a little wary. I would be glad to trade down and take him in the 40s depending on how the board falls though.
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Hank has worked a lot on his hands. Imo he has much better hans than Smith (who has tiny hands iirc). People tend to focus on bad things, which I get, but his hands wasn't really a problem in 2010.
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It was though. Size doesn't really have anything to do with it if you just plain can't concentrate and catch. Braylon Edwards has huge hands if I remember correctly and Wes Welker's are probably well below average. Who do you trust more to pull a ball in? Hankerson improved this year, but it's still a major issue for him.
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Size doesn't really have anything to do with it if you just plain can't concentrate and catch.
I agree with what you are saying, but then you have guys like Hakeem Nicks who when he gets his hands on the ball, you can't break it out. He has massive strong hands that would be amazing to have in NE.
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Anyone have a feeling about Sam Acho? The more I see him the more I think he belongs in tier 1 instead of tier 2. If he had a better burst, I could see him being a top 15 pick.
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I do have a feeling that Acho is high on BB's target list and could become a Patriot in round 2. Just seems like the kind of guy BB looks for.
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