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Old 05-11-2010, 06:19 PM    (permalink
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jarvis moss, tim crowder, maurice ******* clarett, letting hixon go, moving DJ away from WLB for the craptastic duo of boss bailey and ian gold (then making it worse by putting him at mlb), george foster, ashley lelie, willie middlebrooks, deltha o'neal, marcus nash, letting pryce go, dan williams over anyone (particularly strahan), tommy maddox over carl pickens (or anyone else), not firing reeves sooner, refusing to blitz in the shanahan era, dale carter, brian griese as a starting qb, letting nolan go (possibly), knowshon moreno, refusing to throw down field last year... there's probably more.
I fail to see how Brian Griese as a starting QB is one of the Broncos biggest mistakes. He wasn't a great QB but he sure as hell wasn't horrible.
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I'm not a fan of the typical 49ers fan bashing them for not drafting DeSean Jackson while drafting Kentwan Balmer and Chilo Rachal. Hindsight is always 20/20 and alot of the Jackson appeal was based on him being a Cal product. The entire NFL passed on Jackson. The Eagles even drafted Trevor Laws in the second round PRIOR to drafting Jackson so they obviously didn't even have him highly on their boards.

Interior OLineman and DLinemen take significant time (in most cases to develop)

As for a couple of moves the 49ers made that I do hate...

1. 2004 - Trading Terrell Owens for Brandon Whiting.

2. Signing Lawrence Phillips. Essentially ended Steve Young's career.

3. 2004 - 2009 - Hiring and Firing six Offensive Coordinators in 6 seasons. The Chargers didn't help by hiring Norv Turner VERY late in the 2006 offseason.

4. 2009 - Carrying as many as 8 WR's because of Michael Spurlock, yet not allowing him to return kicks. The worst return team in the NFL then cuts Spurlock only to watch him return one for a TD for the Buccaneers.
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He burst onto the college football scene with a 4-TD game vs. UCLA in his freshman season with USC. Unfortunately, it was a slow downhill trip for Soward from there, bottoming out when he was almost killed by the USC mascot, Traveler, a horse, while he gestured at the opposing team's fans on his way to the bathroom in the middle of a game during his senior season. Despite Soward's superior skills, he never reached his potential in his USC career, ending his tenure with 32 touchdowns in four seasons.[1]
Soward's drug problems became worse while in college, where he admitted smoking marijuana every day.
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I'm pretty positive Jake Delhomme was a free agent when he went to Carolina. I remember that off-season the Cowboys tried to sign him but he chose the Panthers instead :/

And John Carney will forever be remembered as the guy that missed the XP after the River City Relay. He deserved to be cut.
I wanted us to cut Aaron Brooks and sign Delhomme. He played better, the players liked him better, he had a better pocket presence, better command of the offense, and was smarter than Brooks. :(

And yeah, I was so ******* pissed at Carney for missing that but Olindo Mare was absolutely abysmal for us. He kicked 58.8% for us which had us bringing in Martin Gramatica for 3 games.
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How in the holy hell is Childress a very good coach?
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How in the holy hell is Childress a very good coach?
He wins. Consistently. He was a Favre pick away from probably winning a SB.

For years he had arguably the worst starting qb in the league sans Jawalrus and took that team to the playoffs.

You want to talk about playcalling? Fine. Look at how different the playcalling was under Favre vs TJ. The reason why the playcalling was bland before was bc TJ is a moron who can't understand the playbook. If anything, that adjustment is proof that Chilly adjusts to his talent. He simplified the offense for his stupid qb, then was able to actually run a real offense when he had Favre.

Players hate him? So what. Players hate Bellichick. They hated Parcells. I could care less how the players feel about him.

The Vikings are a relevant team with him as coach. Before he was there, they weren't.

He's a good coach. He's just a scapegoat.
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Lets just do the Ruskell era....

Transition tagging Hutchinson and losing him.

Trading a 1st rounder for Deion freaking Branch.

Hiring Mora Jr as HC and Greg Knapp as OC.

Signing Shaun Alexander to a huge contract.

Letting Leonard Weaver walk.

David Greene

Lawrence Jackson

Chris Spencer

The entire 2006 draft.
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Passing on Rashean Mathis for Eugene Wilson
Passing on Darnell Dockett for Marquise Hill (R.I.P.).
Passing on Shaun Phillips for (God...) Guss Scott.
Passing on DeAngelo Williams for Laurence Maroney.
Passing on Greg Jennings for Chad Jackson.
Passing on Clay Matthews for an extra pick.
Passing on Sergio Kindle for a CB.

And yes, we're good drafters.

One of my favorite myths in the NFL. Had New England not hit on a once in a lifetime 6th round QB by the name of Tom Brady where would they have been this past decade?

They have had great picks, but almost no consistency. Plus they've had much more volume than any other NFL team. They had a whole lot of bad picks, like the ones you mentioned. I would argue that lack of depth has plagued them as a team ever since the exodus of veterans after the '07 Super Bowl.
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-Ron Dayne
-Tim Lewis
-Bill Sheridan
-Sinorice Moss
-William Joseph
-Rocky Bernard
-LaVar Arrington
-Anything related to the Dan Reeves era
-Jason Pierre-Paul....I have a terrible feeling about this pick
-Having NO backup plan for when Pierce was cut
-Not trying to correct Tiki's fumbling problem earlier
-The handling of the Shockey situation
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San Francisco 49'ers: every #1 pick from 1995 - 2005

1995 JJ Stokes
1996 Traded to move up for JJ Stokes
1997 Jim Drukenmiller
1998 RW McQuarters
1999 Reggie McGrew
2000 Julian Peterson
2001 Andre Carter
to be fair, Peterson and Carter did ok - for other teams.
2002 Mike Rumph
2003 Kwame Harris
2004 Rashaun Woods
2005 Alex "Alexcuses" Smith

How's that for a decade of futility?
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He wins. Consistently. He was a Favre pick away from probably winning a SB.

For years he had arguably the worst starting qb in the league sans Jawalrus and took that team to the playoffs.

You want to talk about playcalling? Fine. Look at how different the playcalling was under Favre vs TJ. The reason why the playcalling was bland before was bc TJ is a moron who can't understand the playbook. If anything, that adjustment is proof that Chilly adjusts to his talent. He simplified the offense for his stupid qb, then was able to actually run a real offense when he had Favre.

Players hate him? So what. Players hate Bellichick. They hated Parcells. I could care less how the players feel about him.

The Vikings are a relevant team with him as coach. Before he was there, they weren't.

He's a good coach. He's just a scapegoat.
Yep. Couldn't agree more. He's a great coach, although sometimes I think he would make a better GM. He has had grrrrrr-eat drafts while he's been the Vikings Coach.

Anyways...

Trading Randy Moss for Troy Williamson and Napolean Harris
Trading Daunte Culpepper
Letting Nate Burleson go
The Tavaris Jackson experiment
Michael Bennet
Not bothering on getting a franchise QB for the last 9 years
Firing Mike Tice
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Yep. Couldn't agree more. He's a great coach, although sometimes I think he would make a better GM. He has had grrrrrr-eat drafts while he's been the Vikings Coach.

Anyways...

Trading Randy Moss for Troy Williamson and Napolean Harris
Trading Daunte Culpepper
Letting Nate Burleson go
The Tavaris Jackson experiment
Michael Bennet
Not bothering on getting a franchise QB for the last 9 years
Firing Mike Tice
Contradict much?
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Trading Randy Moss for Troy Williamson and Napolean Harris

This still hurts to read. I can't think of a worse recent trade off the top of my head.
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Mike Tice was fired because there was new ownership. If you think about it, he brought the team back from the "love boat" scandal and a series of losses and got them to the playoffs that year. Mike Tice was a great motivational coach, and Brad Childress is just a great coach in general. Sorry I didn't clear things up there.
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Trading Daunte Culpepper
I dont see how thats a mistake. He got injuried then the Vikings didn't think he would come back to what he was and they were right. He never really did. Sure we have the Tarvaris Jackson experiment and Gus too but Culpepper hasn't done much since the Vikings got rid of him.

What the real fail part was when the Vikings took Ryan Cook with the pick we got from the Dolphins and Greg Jennings was taken right after we picked.
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I dont see how thats a mistake. He got injuried then the Vikings didn't think he would come back to what he was and they were right. He never really did. Sure we have the Tarvaris Jackson experiment and Gus too but Culpepper hasn't done much since the Vikings got rid of him.

What the real fail part was when the Vikings took Ryan Cook with the pick we got from the Dolphins and Greg Jennings was taken right after we picked.
Yeah, I see where you are coming from. But he is the closest thing we've seen to a franchise QB since Fran Tarkenton. And yes, I left out the second part of your post.
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Keeping Aaron Brooks as our QB for so long and trading away Jake Delhomme in the prime of his career.
That led to us eventually signing Breesus so I don't hate that one all too much.
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He wins. Consistently. He was a Favre pick away from probably winning a SB.

For years he had arguably the worst starting qb in the league sans Jawalrus and took that team to the playoffs.

You want to talk about playcalling? Fine. Look at how different the playcalling was under Favre vs TJ. The reason why the playcalling was bland before was bc TJ is a moron who can't understand the playbook. If anything, that adjustment is proof that Chilly adjusts to his talent. He simplified the offense for his stupid qb, then was able to actually run a real offense when he had Favre.

Players hate him? So what. Players hate Bellichick. They hated Parcells. I could care less how the players feel about him.

The Vikings are a relevant team with him as coach. Before he was there, they weren't.

He's a good coach. He's just a scapegoat.
He doesn't sniff the playoffs without Favre though. That team looked like it had terrible wide receivers and quarterbacks. AD has a fumble problem. The defense would have looked worse without some good offense. Childress is an average coach at best and a terrible personnel guy. That said, there is a lot worse than 6-10 that you can be.

Edit: on topic... drafting this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Katzenmoyer
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Brett Favre was not a mistake.
Ahmad Carroll.
Justin Harrell.
Jamal Reynolds.
Not getting value for Aaron Kampman.
Brian Brohm.
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