Westbrook to visit Redskins Wednesday

[McBain]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Okay well maybe I shouldn't have generalized, here I'll fix it...

The Redskins fans who think that Portis, Johnson, Paker and maybe Westbrook are still good are delusional and in no way shape or form are they 4 great running backs.

Guarded optimism?

Yeah... about that.

And yes players have had success in the past when they switch teams but running backs rarely ever do, they have very short shelf lives and its better to draft your own instead of taking some other team's old leftovers.

Seems like your fighting invisible stereotypes.

They might play good this year. How do you know they won't?

The odds aren't that great that they'll be as good as they were. But it's not like the Redskins signed them to multi-year deals with huge signing bonuses.

Thomas Jones
Garrison Hearst

to name a couple.

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yea, im the stupid 1 when your idiot team signs over the hill RB's hahahaha

That's what longhornlegends left me as neg rep. I would like to say in response: lolwut?

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by McBain

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There was nothing guarded about saying the Redskins are going to have "4 Great running backs the Redskins rushing attack will be hard to beat 4 different types of running styles cant wait" There is nothing cautious about that.

BTW Thomas Jones switched teams when he was 26 and then again when he was 29 where he played behind one of the best run blocking lines in the game, and he didn't have a bunch of wear and tear because he was a late bloomer.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

McBain, there's not exactly been a lack of Redskins fans talking quite favorably about the team bringing a bunch of veteran runners who struggled to break 1,000 yards combined in 2009. Whether all Redskins fans feel that way, I don't know (I certainly hope not), but the vast majority of fan comments I've seen on this site have been mystifyingly excited by the prospect of a backfield of players that looks thoroughly mediocre.

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by Thumper

IQ points dropping as I read this.... If you actually believe this something might be wrong with you, especially the Larry Johnson part. He showed up in Cincy? 3.3 YPC is showing up behind one of the better run blocking lines in the NFL? Whatever, have fun living in your little dream world.

Man dude you take everything to the extreme. You only end up making yourself sound like a tool. It doesn't take all 4 to be all pro's to be successful. Portis's best seasons were in a ZBS. LJ having a turn around year better then in Cincy but not as good as a his glory days in KC is a good possibility. Parker is a huge question mark. If he lost all his speed then he isn't much of a third option. Westbrook would be one of the better situational/3rd down pass catching RBs in the league in that role. Thats not counting Torain who showed promise in Shanahan's system before and Keiland Williams a fast rising RB at LSU who showed promise as well before his injury. So its a big question mark right now who will even make the final 53. Portis, Johnson and Parker are not guaranteed anything.

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by Brent

so, if a thread has anything to do with the NFC East, does Thumper have to dominate the thread?

Welcome to the boards.

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Because your posts are so rational....

When I can realistic and yet critical about my team then yes. I dont turn every thread into an Redskins love fest like you do with the Eagles.

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck

McBain, there's not exactly been a lack of Redskins fans talking quite favorably about the team bringing a bunch of veteran runners who struggled to break 1,000 yards combined in 2009. Whether all Redskins fans feel that way, I don't know (I certainly hope not), but the vast majority of fan comments I've seen on this site have been mystifyingly excited by the prospect of a backfield of players that looks thoroughly mediocre.

I like it from a competition standpoint.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by toddmlazarchick

Man dude you take everything to the extreme. You only end up making yourself sound like a tool. It doesn't take all 4 to be all pro's to be successful. Portis's best seasons were in a ZBS. LJ having a turn around year better then in Cincy but not as good as a his glory days in KC is a good possibility. Parker is a huge question mark. If he lost all his speed then he isn't much of a third option. Westbrook would be one of the better situational/3rd down pass catching RBs in the league in that role. Thats not counting Torain who showed promise in Shanahan's system before and Keiland Williams a fast rising RB at LSU who showed promise as well before his injury. So its a big question mark right now who will even make the final 53. Portis, Johnson and Parker are not guaranteed anything.

Portis's best seasons were in the ZBS but that was when he was 21 and 22 behind a good offensive line, now he has a bunch of mileage and he is behind a garbage offensive line. A turnaround year for Larry Johnson? Please explain to me how a season where a runner averages 3.3 YPC and has 0 touchdowns is a turnaround season. Parker is a monstrous question mark, he was terrible last season. Westbrook would be a good situational and third down back but like I said earlier he has lost his explosiveness and his knee is bone on bone and his ankle is in terrible condition. And somehow a Broncos reject and an UDFA make the run game better? Thats a new argument, not a good one at all but whatever floats your boat man.

[McBain]

Originally Posted by Thumper

There was nothing guarded about saying the Redskins are going to have "4 Great running backs the Redskins rushing attack will be hard to beat 4 different types of running styles cant wait" There is nothing cautious about that.

BTW Thomas Jones switched teams when he was 26 and then again when he was 29 where he played behind one of the best run blocking lines in the game, and he didn't have a bunch of wear and tear because he was a late bloomer.

Im not even sure that guy is a redskins fan. I'venever seen him in the team discussion.

Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck

McBain, there's not exactly been a lack of Redskins fans talking quite favorably about the team bringing a bunch of veteran runners who struggled to break 1,000 yards combined in 2009. Whether all Redskins fans feel that way, I don't know (I certainly hope not), but the vast majority of fan comments I've seen on this site have been mystifyingly excited by the prospect of a backfield of players that looks thoroughly mediocre.

I have no problem bringing in these runningbacks. Are the odds so much greater bringing in late round draft picks?

I think the excitement has as much to do (if not more) with shannahan's system and history as it does with the runningbacks themselves.

Like i said before i don't know which of these backs are even going to be on the team by regular season. For all we know it's going to be Torrain running the ball. All i know we have runningbacks who have been incredibly successful on the field and they're in argueably the most favorable system for runningbacks in the last decade or so.

That doesn't mean Redskins are going to the superbowl... it's just something to talk about and to be excited about. Hopefully it works out.

[Xonraider]

The Redskins will be running the Wing-t this year

[McBain]

Originally Posted by Thumper

BTW Thomas Jones switched teams when he was 26 and then again when he was 29 where he played behind one of the best run blocking lines in the game, and he didn't have a bunch of wear and tear because he was a late bloomer.

Those are feature backs though. Obviously the league has changed to more of a two back league. My point is that since the situation has changed the idea of a successful acquisition has to be re-defined. Maybe picking up veterans as complimentary backs is the wave of the future :)

[Brent]

Originally Posted by Xonraider

The Redskins will be running the Wing-t this year

the forward pass? **** that

[McBain]

Originally Posted by Brent

the forward pass? **** that

Should have traded that 2nd rounder for Vick.

[eaglesalltheway]

Originally Posted by Brent

so, if a thread has anything to do with the NFC East, does Thumper have to dominate the thread?

It doesn't have to, but the Thumper feels the need to flood the site with his ideas. If it pertains to the Eagles, its ZOMGzz yes, and defends them to the death. If its a rival team, he'll beat you to death with his argument, not saying anything new after about the third post, in an attempt to change everyone's "wrong opinion".

Anyone who wants to find some entertainment, just look up the Thumpers comments in the NFC East forum, pretty funny.

As for Westy heading to the skins, potentially: I'd be a little heartbroken honestly, but he's from the area, and as someone else said, his brother Byron is on the team, which would be good reasons for him to potentially go there. It would be good system fit, and as long as the Skins don't expect a lot and he isn't signed to a big contract, it'd be good for both teams.

As far as their RB situation, I see Portis and Westy as the best potential options. No they don't have any elite RBs, but they have guys who have had success, and that alone is a positive. With Shanny's ZBS, you can turn a garbage can in a windstorm into a 1,000 yard rusher. Now I don't see anyone of these RBs getting 1,000 yards, but as a whole, the RB corp will have some success this season.

[eaglesalltheway]

Originally Posted by McBain

Should have traded that 2nd rounder for Vick.

There's still time to do it...:)

[TimD]

why would he sign with them knowing there is 3 other RBs on the roster? no other team with less competition would give him a look? that cant be a good sign for the skins. seems like they are picking up everyones leftovers

[DiG]

Originally Posted by Brent

so, if a thread has anything to do with the NFC East, does Thumper have to exasperate the thread?

fixed it for you.

Originally Posted by TimDris

why would he sign with them knowing there is 3 other RBs on the roster? no other team with less competition would give him a look? that cant be a good sign for the skins. seems like they are picking up everyones leftovers

because LJ and FWP are on tight leashes i guarantee. one will need to step up above the other in preseason/training camp. a few of us have said it since the signing that we think its a competition between the two. also westbrook would be a much better pass catching threat than those two.

[Bucs_Rule]

Originally Posted by TimDris

why would he sign with them knowing there is 3 other RBs on the roster? no other team with less competition would give him a look? that cant be a good sign for the skins. seems like they are picking up everyones leftovers

Those 3 backs aren't the toughest competition. Every NFL team would bring in some undrafted free-agent backs who are real competition for old backs.

Fast Willie Parker isn't fast anymore. When you get the nick name fast and you lose it, you don't have anything. If Westbrook can't beat him he shouldn't be playing anymore.

Portis has all sorts of injury problems, wouldn't expect him to have too many carries and when he is on the field he's not the great Portis of old.

Johnson looked good in Cincy I thought.

Westbrook should be a good 3rd down back. I expect Johnson to be the main back, Portis to spell him a lot and Wesbtrook 3rd down and shot guns.

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Portis's best seasons were in the ZBS but that was when he was 21 and 22 behind a good offensive line, now he has a bunch of mileage and he is behind a garbage offensive line. A turnaround year for Larry Johnson? Please explain to me how a season where a runner averages 3.3 YPC and has 0 touchdowns is a turnaround season. Parker is a monstrous question mark, he was terrible last season. Westbrook would be a good situational and third down back but like I said earlier he has lost his explosiveness and his knee is bone on bone and his ankle is in terrible condition. And somehow a Broncos reject and an UDFA make the run game better? Thats a new argument, not a good one at all but whatever floats your boat man.

You have to be the most asinine person on this board. Everyone is garbage unless they play for the Eagles. You haven't the slightest sense of objectivity and your reading comprehension skills are a waste. You're own teams posters make fun of you for your senseless posting.

When did I ever say last season was a turn around season for LJ? I said he did decent enough to say that him being more productive then last year isn't a far reach. There's that reading comprehension thing again. You cast off about a player who had success in Shanhan's system before (Torain) and a UDFA as garbage but yet in your own defense of the Eagles RB situation you brag about a 7th round RB draft pick! Again everyone is garbage unless they wear Eagles colors I know I know.

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by TimDris

why would he sign with them knowing there is 3 other RBs on the roster? no other team with less competition would give him a look? that cant be a good sign for the skins. seems like they are picking up everyones leftovers

1. None of those 3 RBs are guaranteed anything.

2. He grew up a Redskins fan and said playing here would be a dream come true

3. His brother Byron is a CB on the team

[toddmlazarchick]

Originally Posted by eaglesalltheway

It doesn't have to, but the Thumper feels the need to flood the site with his ideas. If it pertains to the Eagles, its ZOMGzz yes, and defends them to the death. If its a rival team, he'll beat you to death with his argument, not saying anything new after about the third post, in an attempt to change everyone's "wrong opinion".

Anyone who wants to find some entertainment, just look up the Thumpers comments in the NFC East forum, pretty funny.

As for Westy heading to the skins, potentially: I'd be a little heartbroken honestly, but he's from the area, and as someone else said, his brother Byron is on the team, which would be good reasons for him to potentially go there. It would be good system fit, and as long as the Skins don't expect a lot and he isn't signed to a big contract, it'd be good for both teams.

As far as their RB situation, I see Portis and Westy as the best potential options. No they don't have any elite RBs, but they have guys who have had success, and that alone is a positive. With Shanny's ZBS, you can turn a garbage can in a windstorm into a 1,000 yard rusher. Now I don't see anyone of these RBs getting 1,000 yards, but as a whole, the RB corp will have some success this season.

Or just type the words Kevin Kolb and watch the drool fest begin

Off topic but I live in Emmaus too I'm on Mountain Lane where do u live?

[eaglesalltheway]

Originally Posted by toddmlazarchick

Or just type the words Kevin Kolb and watch the drool fest begin

Off topic but I live in Emmaus too I'm on Mountain Lane where do u live?

Greenleaf near Northwood cemetary.

Thats crazy though, did you go to Emmaus? Or have you moved into the area? My family's business is on Furnace Street, which, depending on what part of Mountain KLane you are on, is real close to our shop.

[yourfavestoner]

Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck

McBain, there's not exactly been a lack of Redskins fans talking quite favorably about the team bringing a bunch of veteran runners who struggled to break 1,000 yards combined in 2009. Whether all Redskins fans feel that way, I don't know (I certainly hope not), but the vast majority of fan comments I've seen on this site have been mystifyingly excited by the prospect of a backfield of players that looks thoroughly mediocre.

This. Over and over and over and over.

Shanny would have been much better off bringing in some random 6th round pick. Fresh legs>tired legs at runningback, always.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Watch Ryan Torain beat out all of these oldies. I still do think though that Portis has some left in him. It's ok though we just have to a wait a year for Ryan Williams.

[eaglesalltheway]

Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

Watch Ryan Torain beat out all of these oldies. I still do think though that Portis has some left in him. It's ok though we just have to a wait a year for Ryan Williams.

It wouldn't surprise me if he does, honestly. Especially if Westy doesn't sign.