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Old 08-31-2011, 11:30 AM    (permalink
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So Texas A&M is leaving the Big 12 to go independent?
They just formally told the Big 12 that they intend to leave if they have an offer from another league.
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They wouldn't be leaving if they didn't have a conference to go to. It's doubtful they're going independent or to the Big East
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A&M wouldn't be issuing an official statement like this unless they were already guaranteed and invitation into the SEC

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Does this mean someone is gonna get kicked out the SEC?
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Does this mean someone is gonna get kicked out the SEC?
Absolutely not. It means they're going to be the first major conference to expand past the 12 team threshold for football playing teams.
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Absolutely not. It means they're going to be the first major conference to expand past the 12 team threshold for football playing teams.
I'll be interested to see if the B1G makes a last ditch effort to invite A&M and Texas.
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I doubt it. A&M to the SEC seems like a pretty solid lock at this point. No way they'd say this kind of stuff in public if they didn't have some assurance from a conference already.

This could really spark some mass reallignment depending on what schools do. The Big 12 could collapse, and have Texas and co start looking back to the Pac 12. If the Big 12 wants to survive, it could easily just add 3 teams and let the conference truly be Texas, Oklahoma, and scrubs. I think thats more likely. If that happens, it won't spark massive reallignment.

I'm assuming the SEC will want to add more than just A&M, so that could prompt more meaning much more reallignment. The SEC isn't gonna add teams from minor conferences, they're gonna steal good schools from the ACC. Any ACC team moves to the SEC and we'll see some major moves made.
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I really don't think that much will change, at least not for a few years. This massive freakout everyone seems to be predicting probably won't happen. I think the Big Ten would prefer to stay pat, ditto the ACC.
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This could really spark some mass reallignment depending on what schools do. The Big 12 could collapse, and have Texas and co start looking back to the Pac 12. If the Big 12 wants to survive, it could easily just add 3 teams and let the conference truly be Texas, Oklahoma, and scrubs. I think thats more likely. If that happens, it won't spark massive reallignment.


TCU would compete for the Big 12 every year if they were added. Arkansas could be added and get back the Ark/UT rivalry again, SMU would do very well with June Jones and right in the heart of Dallas too. A Big conference is probably all they need, they wouldn't be any worse then your typical Iowa State and K State finish, plus they would dominate those schools in recruiting after a few years.


I know most of this is just me throwing out names so for all I know none of these schools are even up for moving or interested. I was just saying I don't think it would be Texas, OU, and scrubs. Maybe as it is now yes that's true, but that wouldn't be any different then it always has when it's seemingly an upset if Texas or OU doesn't win the Big 12.


Just seems like more teams are interested in leaving then joining, which would suck that this would be the 2nd Texas conference that fell apart.
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I don't see any big programs trying to get into the Big 12 at this point. If they do manage to bring in 3 teams and get back to 12, they won't find 3 teams on any kind of high level.
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Arkansas will never leave the SEC, especially to go to the Big 12. It just won't happen.

I think Boise State would jump at an opportunity to join the Big 12. I know Dan Beebee and his minions have been talking to BYU but I don't see that university leaving football independence so soon after declaring for it. They're doing well with their scheduling, found a solid home for their non-football sports, and seem content to follow along the path of Notre Dame.

I feel that getting back to 12 teams is a must for the Big 12 and if BYU is ruled out that leaves the only options as being Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Southern Miss, Central Florida, and New Mexico.
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BYU could keep their deal with ESPN and join the Big 12. It's been said before, but really, the Big 12 is barely a conference anymore.

They'll probably pick up some scraps from Conference USA to give the vague impression of an athletic conference, but it's basically just Texas and Oklahoma Inc., brought to you by The Walt Disney Company
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BYU could keep their deal with ESPN and join the Big 12. It's been said before, but really, the Big 12 is barely a conference anymore.

They'll probably pick up some scraps from Conference USA to give the vague impression of an athletic conference, but it's basically just Texas and Oklahoma Inc., brought to you by The Walt Disney Company
That's funny considering we have the most top 10 ranked team (sure it's only the preseason polls) out of any conference, and Texas isn't even one of them.

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I'll be interested to see if the B1G makes a last ditch effort to invite A&M and Texas.
One reason A&M is wanting to leave is because of Texas and its tv deal. Why would you want to invite both???
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That's funny considering we have the most top 10 ranked team (sure it's only the preseason polls) out of any conference, and Texas isn't even one of them.
It's ironic, yes; that doesn't make it any less true.

Nobody wants to be a part of the conference anymore. The only teams still around other than Texas and Oklahoma are there out of necessity. It's a step up from the Mountain West and Conference USA
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That's funny considering we have the most top 10 ranked team (sure it's only the preseason polls) out of any conference, and Texas isn't even one of them.



One reason A&M is wanting to leave is because of Texas and its tv deal. Why would you want to invite both???
The LHN is going to be a flop, IMO. A&M and UT in a power conference together would make the state legislators happy. Angry UT, TTU, and Baylor politicians can make this ugly for A&M if they want to.

The perception of the Big12 is that it's being held together with scotch tape and elmer's glue. There is little cohesion and a lot of angst between programs. Two teams have left and a third is likely leaving. It's a young conference with no history. All of that leads to the perception of it being a weak conference. It's not a competitive slam.
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The LHN is going to be a flop, IMO. A&M and UT in a power conference together would make the state legislators happy. Angry UT, TTU, and Baylor politicians can make this ugly for A&M if they want to.

The perception of the Big12 is that it's being held together with scotch tape and elmer's glue. There is little cohesion and a lot of angst between programs. Two teams have left and a third is likely leaving. It's a young conference with no history. All of that leads to the perception of it being a weak conference. It's not a competitive slam.
Well I'm not sure if it will flop, but it wont be decided in a year they are rebounding off their worst seasons in recent years. But from what I have read it's not only A&M angry/tired of Texas and their network, but multiple schools. Assuming the conference can remedy this, they aren't in trouble. If A&M does leave it'll be a huge blow.
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I don't understand the subjunctive tense. A&M IS leaving. They've officially said they are.
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I don't understand the subjunctive tense. A&M IS leaving. They've officially said they are.
They said if they get into another conference. They can't just join another conference because they want to.

This leaves time, hopefully, for the conference to get them to stay, or at the very least find a suitable replacement.
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Sorry, I was being polite, you're a moron if you think they don't already have a deal worked out with the SEC and have any chance of coming back to the Big 12. They only went through these machinations to legally cover their ass. Stop kidding yourself. It's not because I said so, it's because anyone with a clue has said so.
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I'm assuming there's no way A&M would make the statements they made unless there was some kind of agreement with the SEC already.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:54 PM    (permalink
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Sorry, I was being polite, you're a moron if you think they don't already have a deal worked out with the SEC and have any chance of coming back to the Big 12. They only went through these machinations to legally cover their ass. Stop kidding yourself. It's not because I said so, it's because anyone with a clue has said so.
Just like they joined last year. Or just mere months ago. I'll believe it when I finally see confirmation.

They could be in legal trouble regardless as a link earlier posted said in regards to the tv deal.

Hey look at that, a post without insulting someone. Not that hard is it?
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Ummm, yeah. A&M is for sure leaving. You don't put on a condom unless you're ready to ****.
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