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Old 07-19-2010, 11:10 AM    (permalink
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Hines Ward is not a Hall of Famer. The idea that he revolutionized wide receiver blocking is ridiculous and the fact anyone is mentioning the concept of someone revolutioning wide receiver blocking just shows how much he has no business being in the Hall of Fame. While we're at it, Ward should get in because he revolutionized smiling during the game.

Troy Polamalu is a great player, but do people realize how pedestrian his career statistics are? He has 20 INTs and 7 sacks in 8 seasons and 7 of those INTs were in 2008. To compare, Darren Sharper has had 3 seasons in which he had 9 INTs and has 7.5 sacks in his career. Adrian Wilson has 20.5 sacks and 23 INTs in 10 seasons. Is he a Hall of Famer too?

I understand that Lynn Swann established the precedent that unremarkable Steelers get into the Hall of Fame, but this is getting ridiculous
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How does Moss get in but not LDT?
Longevity of dominance. LDT will never run for 1,000 yards again meanwhile Moss could still catch 85-100 balls and go for 1,000
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How does Moss get in but not LDT?
because people are looking at how worn down he is now instead of remembering the career he's had. He's in the second he's eligible.
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because people are looking at how worn down he is now instead of remembering the career he's had. He's in the second he's eligible.
If that is the case the moss oakland years should count against him. I think Tomlinson was more dominant through his career.
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Randy Moss was probably the most dominant receiver since Rice.
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Randy Moss was probably the most dominant receiver since Rice.
and Tomlinson's the most dominant running back since Smith/Sanders. They are both 1st ballot Hall of Famers
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and Tomlinson's the most dominant running back since Smith/Sanders. They are both 1st ballot Hall of Famers
Most likely, yes.
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Longevity of dominance. LDT will never run for 1,000 yards again meanwhile Moss could still catch 85-100 balls and go for 1,000
If we are just talking stats LT only had one down year this last season and he still had 12 TD's.

A WR still playing at a high level after 30 and a running back declining is nothing new it's pretty much the norm.
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hines ward wont sniff the hall of fame...just cause he throws a nice block every now and then isnt enough, the WRs of this era (andre, fitz, moss, TO...ect) have the #s to put wards to shame.
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Look at Chris Carter and Andre Reed they should be in but they are not. You have to be the Best WR in the NFL For atleast a couple of Years and I don't think Ward was that with Fitz,Andre,Moss,T.O. Will he get in? Maybe but it will take a long time.
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Look at Chris Carter and Andre Reed they should be in but they are not. You have to be the Best WR in the NFL For atleast a couple of Years and I don't think Ward was that with Fitz,Andre,Moss,T.O. Will he get in? Maybe but it will take a long time.
Cris Carter not being in already is a crime against football. He should have been a 1st ballot guy.

Andre Reed? Meh. He will get in eventually.
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wait, what? ed mccaffrey was 20 times the blocker ward is, and he was doing it while ward was still playing qb. and that was without more than .05 seconds of serious thought.
But remember that one time he blind sided Keith Rivers? Revolutionary, if you ask me.
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Marvin Harrison
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Randy Moss
Torry Holt
Larry Fitzgerald
Andre Johnson
Ocho Cinco
Reggie Wayne

all are better then Ward and all were in his generation. Ward blindsided a few players and someone on ESPN called him tough is not revolutionizing WR blocking.





Now do you all think Chad Ocho Cinco will get in?
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Lol, yeah, I might have jumped the gun on Ward.

But his block on Rivers was semi-revolutionary. It led to the Hines Ward rule.
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all are better then Ward and all were in his generation. Ward blindsided a few players and someone on ESPN called him tough is not revolutionizing WR blocking.





Now do you all think Chad Ocho Cinco will get in?
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I could see 85 getting in but after he does some waiting.
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He needs a few more big years. One super big year and I think he gets it MAYBE first ballot.

He was our passing attack last season. A poor passing game and he still had over 1000 yards. Not easy facing double teams all season because we had no one else to cover lol
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He needs a few more big years. One super big year and I think he gets it MAYBE first ballot.

He was our passing attack last season. A poor passing game and he still had over 1000 yards. Not easy facing double teams all season because we had no one else to cover lol
No way. He has no chance what so ever at being first ballot. Right now he's solidly out. A couple more good years and he might be borderline.
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that's being generous. i'd feel pretty comfortable saying that there is absolutely zero chance (period, end of discussion) that chad johnson/ocho cinco is ever even a finalist. let alone inducted.
Yeah, that's probably more accurate. I was trying to be nice and not crush Bengals78's dreams completely, but you're right.
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What about Sean Taylor? Now don't burn me but think about it he was on his way to be the Best Safety up there with Reed and Polamalu but he was Murderd. What about HIM?
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I have a question.

With the Tight End a bit different than it was a decade ago, how will voters vote on that position? It's no longer just a blocking position with the occasional catch.

How does someone like Dallas Clark (not him exactly, but a player like him) who is more of a slot WR get voted on compared to more complete TEs?
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What about Sean Taylor? Now don't burn me but think about it he was on his way to be the Best Safety up there with Reed and Polamalu but he was Murderd. What about HIM?
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