Future Hall OF Famers - Page 4

Sniper · 07-19-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Splat

But you can judge him off of one game?

No. I'm just saying that the rings argument for a receiver is absurd and that it certainly wasn't Owens' fault that the Eagles lost to the Patriots. Judging a wide receiver, i.e a player who touches the ball 4-8 times per game, on rings is ******* moronic.

Devery Henderson > Randy Moss and Terrell Owens. Hey, he won a Super Bowl, right?

wonderbredd24 · 07-19-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper

No. I'm just saying that the rings argument for a receiver is absurd and that it certainly wasn't Owens' fault that the Eagles lost to the Patriots. Judging a wide receiver, i.e a player who touches the ball 4-8 times per game, on rings is ******* moronic.

Devery Henderson > Randy Moss and Terrell Owens. Hey, he won a Super Bowl, right?

Because that's what I said and Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino too.

Statistically, those guys are competitive with Moss and Owens AND have a ring.

bored of education · 07-19-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

Because that's what I said and Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino too.

Statistically, those guys are competitive with Moss and Owens AND have a ring.

umm wait a seconddd

Sniper · 07-19-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

Because that's what I said and Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino too.

Statistically, those guys are competitive with Moss and Owens AND have a ring.

But they're still not better players, so...

Bob Sanders Dreadlock · 07-19-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper

You are a gold mine for stupid quotes.

You fail to ever back up any of your claims. Typical sniper post is "well that is just dumb cause i say so, here are my facts oh wait i dont have any". You fail to deliver

bored of education · 07-19-2010, 08:42 PM

Owens got a ring? am i missing something? a year? Owens has ring?

Splat · 07-19-2010, 08:46 PM

The lack of kickers in this thread is sad, Jan Stenerud is lonely.

Bengals78 · 07-19-2010, 08:50 PM

adam vinatieri is the one I can think of.

Sniper · 07-19-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock

You fail to ever back up any of your claims.

Wait, what?

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Typical sniper post is "well that is just dumb cause i say so, here are my facts oh wait i dont have any". You fail to deliver

Christ, grammar won't kill you. Give it a whirl. You want facts? Here are some facts for you.

In his rookie season, Moss averaged 19.0 (!!!) yards per catch and scored 17 touchdowns. Yes, rookie. As in first year in the pros. 1,313 yards and 17 touchdowns. He has nine double-digit touchdown seasons. He holds the NFL record for most touchdown receptions in one season. He altered the way defenses schemed. Period. Moss would routinely get triple-covered and still come down with the catch. His combination of size, speed, agility, leaping ability, and ability to make the circus-catch have not been and will never be duplicated. He is the most skilled receiver in history.

Also, I have no idea what the **** was going on in your rep comment. Was "What's that all abut, eh?" supposed to funny? Creative? A dig at the fact that I'm Canadian? Was there a point to it? Did you think that it'd be awesome to say a stereotypical line that no Canadian actually uses? I'm not sure.

Hurricanes25 · 07-19-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bengals78

adam vinatieri is the one I can think of.

How about Jason Elam?

zachsaints52 · 07-19-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bengals78

adam vinatieri is the only one.

Pretty much sums it up.

Splat · 07-19-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurricanes25

How about Jason Elam?

I would vote for him if a I had a vote and I'm a Chiefs fan so that should tell you how I feel about him, he has crushed many of my dreams.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock · 07-19-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper

Wait, what?

Christ, grammar won't kill you. Give it a whirl. You want facts? Here are some facts for you.

In his rookie season, Moss averaged 19.0 (!!!) yards per catch and scored 17 touchdowns. Yes, rookie. As in first year in the pros. 1,313 yards and 17 touchdowns. He has nine double-digit touchdown seasons. He holds the NFL record for most touchdown receptions in one season. He altered the way defenses schemed. Period. Moss would routinely get triple-covered and still come down with the catch. His combination of size, speed, agility, leaping ability, and ability to make the circus-catch have not been and will never be duplicated. He is the most skilled receiver in history.

Also, I have no idea what the **** was going on in your rep comment. Was "What's that all abut, eh?" supposed to funny? Creative? A dig at the fact that I'm Canadian? Was there a point to it? Did you think that it'd be awesome to say a stereotypical line that no Canadian actually uses? I'm not sure.

- LDT has the single season TD record for a running back
-9 consecutive double digit TD's
-4th most yards from scrimmage in a season
- 8th in rushing
- 2nd most rushing TD's

Tomlinson was undoubtedly the best runningback of his generation. Moss is very debatable.

Michigan · 07-19-2010, 09:26 PM

Jason Hanson is the great Lions hope. Then Jeff Backus.

Shiver · 07-19-2010, 09:28 PM

Tomlinson vs. Moss....

Tough call, but I would go with Tomlinson. He was the most dynamic offensive weapon in the game until his legs gave out last year. A great RB is always a bigger impact player than even the best WR; also Moss's mercurial behavior has to factor in.

Sniper · 07-19-2010, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock

Tomlinson was undoubtedly the best runningback of his generation.

Moss is still abusing defenses. LDT averaged 3.3 yards per carry last year and has been on a steady decline since his record-breaking '06 season. Tomlinson wasn't also "undoubtedly" the best RB of his generation. His generation includes the likes of Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson, Shaun Alexander, Curtis Martin, Clinton Portis, Corey Dillon in his prime, Edge James, and others. Undoubtedly, my ass.

Sniper · 07-19-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

Tomlinson vs. Moss....

Tough call, but I would go with Tomlinson. He was the most dynamic offensive weapon in the game until his legs gave out last year. A great RB is always a bigger impact player than even the best WR; also Moss's mercurial behavior has to factor in.

If Moss' mercurial behavior is to be factored in, Tomlinson's injury history, poor playoff performances, and his acting like a little ***** after losses should also be factored in.

Ravens1991 · 07-19-2010, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper

Moss is still abusing defenses. LDT averaged 3.3 yards per carry last year and has been on a steady decline since his record-breaking '06 season. Tomlinson wasn't also "undoubtedly" the best RB of his generation. His generation includes the likes of Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson, Shaun Alexander, Curtis Martin, Clinton Portis, Corey Dillon in his prime, Edge James, and others. Undoubtedly, my ass.

Tomlinson was better then everyone on that list, except Peterson and Johnson because we dont know how good they will be. Tomlinson will get in

Sniper · 07-19-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravens1991

Tomlinson was better then everyone on that list, except Peterson and Johnson because we dont know how good they will be. Tomlinson will get in

I'm not saying that he won't get in, but he's not miles ahead of everyone else.

BlindSite · 07-19-2010, 09:52 PM

Early day predictions if production continues for some RBS:

Peterson: 3,385 carries for 15,715 yards 140 TDs

CJ2k: 3,045 carries for 16,170 yards 115 TDs

Williams: 2,710 carries for 14,378 yards 130 TDs

**Note these are based as 10 years production, assuming no decline (though, there's always a decline.)

I know this is ******** speculation and none of these guys have a likely shot of making this kind of production in their careers, but it's fun and it's not impossible.

Another fun fact, CJ and Williams are the only current backs (with actual resume's) in the NFL to have career YPC higher than Barry Sanders, CJ interestingly enough has 145 carries less than Williams in this span.

LT2 is a lock for the HOF, Moss, p. manning, brady are likely to get in too, Big Ben will be hard to keep out if he earns another ring too imo.

Ray Lewis is a lock too. Mawae is a maybe.

Brees needs to do a little more, or really just needs to continue.

Favre is a lock

Champ Bailey may be hard to lock down, since he has a lack of raw stats.

Jared Allen might have half a chance if he produces the same way for another 4 years or so. He'd have over 120 sacks total.

falloutboy14 · 07-19-2010, 11:24 PM

I'm kind of surprised people have Marvin not making the hall of fame.

Harrison 13 seasons:
1102 catches 14850 yards 128 TDs

Owens 14 seasons:
1006 catches 14951 yards 144 TDs

Moss 12 seasons
926 catches 14465 yards 148 TDs

All of them are on-par imo, except one of them has a ring.

By the way, what have Owens & Moss done in the playoffs?
Has Owens won a playoff game since '03?
In the Patriots super bowl run, Moss had 7 catches under 100 yards & 0 TDs in 3 games.
Marvin has been shut down, but he also played against the Broncos in the playoffs too.

PS: what do people think of Dwight Freeney in the hall of fame?
Freeney 8 seasons 84 sacks 36 forced fumbles
Allen 6 seasons 72 sacks 21 forced fumbles
Allen has 1.5 more sacks per season, Freeny has 1 more forced fumble.

BlindSite · 07-19-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by falloutboy14

I'm kind of surprised people have Marvin not making the hall of fame.

Harrison 13 seasons:
1102 catches 14850 yards 128 TDs

Owens 14 seasons:
1006 catches 14951 yards 144 TDs

Moss 12 seasons
926 catches 14465 yards 148 TDs

All of them are on-par imo, except one of them has a ring.

By the way, what have Owens & Moss done in the playoffs?
Has Owens won a playoff game since '03?
In the Patriots super bowl run, Moss had 7 catches under 100 yards & 0 TDs in 3 games.
Marvin has been shut down, but he also played against the Broncos in the playoffs too.

PS: what do people think of Dwight Freeney in the hall of fame?
Freeney 8 seasons 84 sacks 36 forced fumbles
Allen 6 seasons 72 sacks 21 forced fumbles
Allen has 1.5 more sacks per season, Freeny has 1 more forced fumble.

I think the magic number for DE's is going to be around the 100 mark or higher for this era, reason being the number of OLBs who're racking up sacks due to the shift in the 34 in recent years.

If Allen continues he could have 120 plus sacks, if he plays for 10 years, Freeney could come close if he produces at a high level for two more years. Thing is though Freeney has struggled to stay healthy as of late in fact he's not played a full season in 4 years. If he produces as he could 16 more sacks, in two years, if he plays longer he'll be hard to ignore, he had 2 down years. Might be one of those hall of very good, but not good enough caes.

Brent · 07-19-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Splat

The lack of kickers in this thread is sad, Jan Stenerud is lonely.

no reason other than he's awesome

dannyz · 07-20-2010, 12:13 AM

When you look at players like LT and Moss you have to think of their Generation and other Players they played against.

WinslowBodden · 07-20-2010, 12:25 AM

I was wondering the other day if Josh Cribbs will be a hall of famer. He will most likely go down as the best kick/punt returner of all time and shatter most of the records, that being said... If the Browns don't ever put anything together and he is just a stat guy, do you think he will get in?

I believe if he shatters records at his position he deserves it, hall of fame needs to be a thing of individual achievement not based on your team.