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Old 10-29-2010, 11:10 AM    (permalink
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Ronnie Lott and Lawrence Taylor were my two football "heroes" for a lack of better terminology growing up.

Im glad LT is in the top 10. He should be top 5 as far as I'm concerned.
Hell, he should be top 3.

It should go:

1. Brown
2. Montana
3. LT

In my opinion.
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Hell, he should be top 3.

It should go:

1. Brown
2. Montana
3. LT

In my opinion.
Preaching to the choir. Realistically, I want top 5. The homer in me wants him to be #1.
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Hell, he should be top 3.

It should go:

1. Brown
2. Montana
3. LT

In my opinion.
I think this will be the final outcome:

1. Brown
2. Rice
3. Montana
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Am i the only one that thought Barry Sanders was too low?
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That's my prediction right there. I'm sticking with my Top 5 from a couple pages back though 6-10 is a bit of a toss up.

1. Jim Brown
2. Jerry Rice
3. Joe Montana
4. Lawrence Taylor
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Walter Payton
7. Dick Butkus
8. Don Hutson
9. Reggie White
10. Peyton Manning
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I think the top 5 will for sure be LT, Montana, Unitas, Brown, and Rice.

Id put my money on 1-Brown, 2-Montana, 3-Unitas, 4-Taylor, 5-Rice
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Am i the only one that thought Barry Sanders was too low?
No. I also thought Brett Favre was too low. How can they put Peyton Manning higher than Brett Favre at this point in time?
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No. I also thought Brett Favre was too low. How can they put Peyton Manning higher than Brett Favre at this point in time?
How can Brett Favre be ahead of Dan Marino, John Elway, and Tom Brady? And Manning ahead of Otto Graham?
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No. I also thought Brett Favre was too low. How can they put Peyton Manning higher than Brett Favre at this point in time?
Because he's better than Brett Favre...
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The fact that Michael Irvin is on this list and Cris Carter isn't makes me want to club a baby seal to death.
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That's my prediction right there. I'm sticking with my Top 5 from a couple pages back though 6-10 is a bit of a toss up.

1. Jim Brown
2. Jerry Rice
3. Joe Montana
4. Lawrence Taylor
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Walter Payton
7. Dick Butkus
8. Peyton Manning
9. Don Hutson
10. Reggie White
Switch Peyton and Reggie, and I think this has a good chance of being the exact order. Good chance they start the show with a recognizable name like Peyton.
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Chris Carter must have pissed off someone really bad associated with the NFL/Canton, but no one can argue with a straight face that he doesn't have a bust waiting for him in the HOF, whether they make him wait one more year or 20.

Irvin was great, but IMO he's starting to become overrated.
The most important, irreplaceable player on that Dallas offense was Emmitt Smith, and I think Troy and Michael, if they were being honest, would say the same thing.
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Chris Carter must have pissed off someone really bad associated with the NFL/Canton, but no one can argue with a straight face that he doesn't have a bust waiting for him in the HOF, whether they make him wait one more year or 20.

Irvin was great, but IMO he's starting to become overrated.
The most important, irreplaceable player on that Dallas offense was Emmitt Smith, and I think Troy and Michael, if they were being honest, would say the same thing.
Irvin is on the list, but Carter isn't? Absurd.
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Am i the only one that thought Barry Sanders was too low?
I thought Sanders would be higher too while Lott should be lower. I'd swap Sanders at 17 for Lott at 11.
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Sammy Baugh should be number 1. Being the best at QB, defensive back and punter is crazy, some of his records still hold today. The high punting average in a season, that doesn't depend on level of competition. The different shaped may have helped punting, not sure as I would have to check average punt length of everyone vs today.

His passing stats aren't very good, but passing was way harder back then. The ball design was much harder to throw

I know I haven't seen him play, just if you look at his accomplishments they are way more impressive then anyone today.
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4. I think because many of you have asked about NFL Films' Top 100 Players series, I thought I'd take a minute to explain how the thing worked. The final show, with the top 10 players, will air Thursday night on NFL Network, followed by a one-hour wrap show with four or the voters (me, veteran NFL executives Ernie Accorsi and Mike Lombardi, and Jarrett Bell of USA Today) discussing the pros and cons of the vote with moderator Steve Sabol. (We taped the show the other day in Mount Laurel, N.J., in NFL Filmsville.)

Anyway, here's how the balloting went: 85 voters --owners, GMs, NFL executives and retired execs, coaches, owners, former coaches, broadcasters, media and Hall of Fame voters -- got a list of 260 players. We were asked to grade the players from 1 to 10 (with 10 being the best). When all the ballots were gathered, NFL Films tallied up the votes, and the 100 highest-rated players were ranked from 1 to 100 based on total points. For instance, if Johnny Unitas was given a 10 by 70 voters and a 9 by the other 15, his point total would have been 835. I have no idea about Unitas' point total; I use him only as an example. But you see how the things works.

Seems the biggest controversy so far has been the ranking of the modern quarterbacks (surprise) who've played since 1970. They've fallen in this order: Brett Favre 20, Tom Brady 21, John Elway 23, Dan Marino 25, Roger Staubach 46, Terry Bradshaw 50, Troy Aikman 80, Steve Young 81, Kurt Warner 90, Joe Namath 100. Obviously, there are a couple of quarterbacks I haven't named who just might be in the last show. One is active and might be playing tonight. Another is retired and has the same last name as a western state with a very big sky. Anyway, it was a fun exercise. Thursday night will be fun TV.
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That's my prediction right there. I'm sticking with my Top 5 from a couple pages back though 6-10 is a bit of a toss up.

1. Jim Brown
2. Jerry Rice
3. Joe Montana
4. Lawrence Taylor
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Walter Payton
7. Dick Butkus
8. Don Hutson
9. Reggie White
10. Peyton Manning
I'd say those have to be the 10 players in the top 10.

The order is debatable though.

IMO the list has Elway/Munoz too low, Peyton/Ray Lewis too high.
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Boomer Esian or w/e is a idiot he said that Peyton has had the least amount of help of any great QB in the last 15-20 years and that Tom Brady is finally dealing with that.
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Sammy Baugh should be number 1. Being the best at QB, defensive back and punter is crazy, some of his records still hold today. The high punting average in a season, that doesn't depend on level of competition. The different shaped may have helped punting, not sure as I would have to check average punt length of everyone vs today.

His passing stats aren't very good, but passing was way harder back then. The ball design was much harder to throw

I know I haven't seen him play, just if you look at his accomplishments they are way more impressive then anyone today.
When Roger Craig finished his career he was top 20 in rushing and top 20 in receptions... all-time. He made it to the playoffs every year of his 11 year career and was probably the most complete RB to have ever played. Great player and I love his game, but I'm not sure I would call him a top 100 player even though he was a rare breed of RB that did things that no other RB ever did. 4x All-Pro and 3x Super Bowl champion (and he had great games in Super Bowls and was excellent in the post season). He rushed for 1,000 yards and then had 1,000 yards receiving in the same year. And he did most of this damage in his first 7 years. He was Marshall Faulk before there was Marshall Faulk. If Craig played QB and had some of these gaudy accomplishments by the time he retired, he would be top 10 or 20 on this list easily.

You can't say Baugh should be #1 because he was the best of his time. That's not good enough. No player could ever play S and QB with the level of competition today. No one. You really can't compare Baugh to Manning or Brady or even Steve Young and Troy Aikmen. The game, speed and complexities have drastically improved. There are numerous players not on this list that should be and I think current players are forgotten and left off for little or no reason.

I'll take Antonio Gates over any TE that has ever played. I'll take Peyton Manning over any QB (I know he's getting a lot of ****). I'll take a bunch of Patriots from the 00s dynasty. Give me Richard Seymour, Ty Law and Rodney Harrison over a lot of the guys on this list. I'll take Dwight Freeney and DeMarcus Ware over most pass rushers. No Howie Long? Warren Sapp? Hello?!?! Cortez Kennedy was pretty damn great too. How about the juice head, Kevin Williams? He's been pretty ******* dominant for a pretty long period of time. Dan Hampton was 1b to Randy White and White is way too low on the list. Champ Bailey? Charles Woodson? Marvin Harrison (yeah, I know, he was no Andre Reed in the playoffs)? Terrell Owens? Are you kidding me? No T.O.? He's, arguably, the second best WR of all-time. How is Randy Moss on the list and T.O. not? T.O. has been to a Super Bowl and played amazing in that game. If he didn't try to ruin his career with his big ******* mouth, he would have pushed Jerry Rice's TD record. He should be top 20. Chris ******* Carter? How about some offensive tackles? Walters Jones, Orlando Pace, Willy ******* Roaf? Roaf just went out every Sunday and demolished people. Philip Rivers has done more in the last 2 1/2 years than Joe Namath did in his entire career. If Rex Grossman said he was going to beat Peyton Manning and then did beat in him the SB, and even in a low scoring defensive struggle, he would probably make this list. Apparently throwing more INTs than TDs with a terrible QB ratings and completion percentage is some kind of greatness.

Barry Sanders at 17 is terrible. Munoz should be in the top 10 and arguably the top 5. Bruce Smith should be, at least, 20 spots higher. He only holds the sack record while playing in a 34 defense. Dominant against the run too. And that's 31? Deion is the best CB of all-time. Please. Randy White should be top 20. Emmitt Smith should be higher than Brett Favre. Rod Woodson should be top 20. The list has players just as good at the bottom of it then does at the top. I look at Ernie Nevers and see guys like Lee Roy Selmon, Michael Strahan, Michael Irvin, Larry Allen and Derrick Brooks all behind him? Are ya ******* kidding me? Ernie ******* Nevers? I'll admit that I don't even know where Deluth is and that I had no clue there was an NFL team named the Eskimos prior to watching this show, but I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that Lee Roy Selmon's 9 years of dominance for an atrocious franchise was more impressive. Instead Nevers is praised for being a popular college player and a movie star. Wow. Color me unimpressed. This list is just odd. I don't know how you look at Terry Bradshaw and then look at Steve Young and say, not only that Bradshaw is better, but he's significantly better. That makes no sense to me.
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Michael Irvin has been on the wacky backy again.

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Boomer Esian or w/e is a idiot he said that Peyton has had the least amount of help of any great QB in the last 15-20 years and that Tom Brady is finally dealing with that.
Did he burst out laughing right afterwards?
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Too bad how soon Edge and Marvin Harrison are forgotten in the minds of NFL analysts.
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JERRY RICE IS NUMBER 1



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maybe he means no defensive help

afterall.. we all know defense wins championships..

reading stuff about that munoz guy.. i'm surprised he was out the top 10.. cause to me OL is very hard to dominate.. especially since every1 says DL is more athletic then OL
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