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Old 09-13-2010, 03:45 AM    (permalink
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Isn't it obvious that they would play Vick now if they want to win now and go to the playoffs this year and maybe next? He's so much clearly better at moving the chains it's not even comparable. The only reason they wouldn't play Vick is because they want to develop their guy or they don't want to play the dog hater or they don't want to change the offense too much.
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Isn't it obvious that they would play Vick now if they want to win now and go to the playoffs this year and maybe next? He's so much clearly better at moving the chains it's not even comparable. The only reason they wouldn't play Vick is because they want to develop their guy or they don't want to play the dog hater or they don't want to change the offense too much.
Listen, I'm not rooting for either side here and I think eventually the Eagles will be able to find success with both quarterbacks. But I really don't get this Vick hype, yes, he played great but lets not forget how terribly he was playing in the pre-season when he couldn't hit the broadside of the barn.

I get it, Vick is exciting but please lets be reasonable, Vick is a one year guy and Kolb is the long term guy. The Eagles will always stick with Kolb as long as he is healthy. Vick had a great day, Kolb didn't but please, lets hold off at least a few more weeks before we anoint Vick as the Eagles savior and burn Kolb at the stake.
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Well, maybe after this year the Eagles can draft Case Keenum, another U of Houston system QB!

Kolb reminds me of another great UHouston QB, Andre Ware.
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Andy Reid is a fool if he doesn't start Vick, plain and simple. What the **** was he doing with the timeouts in the 4th quarter?
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then again you get a team like the Packers have shown the flipside of what can happen with a talented young player.
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Kevin Kolb blows they Eagles had what 0 passing yards at half and down 20-3... I wish he would have stayed in because Mike Vick almost beat us by himself. I know it was one half in 1 week but clearly the Eagles were 2 different teams.
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It almost doesn't matter who plays quarterback for Philadelphia as long as they are going to protect them the way they have been.

Vick made some very athletic plays, but he also got drilled a number of times by the Packer pass rush. Kolb got knocked out of the game.

McNabb and his tendency to hold onto the ball the way he does would die behind that line.

And to think that a year ago, so many people wanted to put them as one of the top 5 offensive lines in the league

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It almost doesn't matter who plays quarterback for Philadelphia as long as they are going to protect them the way they have been.

Vick made some very athletic plays, but he also got drilled a number of times by the Packer pass rush. Kolb got knocked out of the game.

McNabb and his tendency to hold onto the ball the way he does would die behind that line.

And to think that a year ago, so many people wanted to put them as one of the top 5 offensive lines in the league
Not protection fault. 1) Clay Matthews is a beast. 2) Kolb was bootlegging or scrambling/looking to throw for too long.

Kolb will start because that is Andy's guy. But he is terrible even with those back 2 back 300 yard games in his first NFL start against amazing defenses(for u sniper). How many balls did he try and force to Jackson?
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Not protection fault. 1) Clay Matthews is a beast. 2) Kolb was bootlegging or scrambling/looking to throw for too long.

Kolb will start because that is Andy's guy. But he is terrible even with those back 2 back 300 yard games in his first NFL start against amazing defenses(for u sniper). How many balls did he try and force to Jackson?
It's not like that was the only hit Kolb took. He's been running for his life all of the preseason and in that game against the Packers.
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Kolb will continue to run for his life. Until he can prove that he can adjust the protections, and he won't just stare down his first read and try to force it to him no matter what, every DC in the league is going to blitz him like hell.

I don't care how good your oline is, if 5 are trying to block 7, you're gonna face pressure. If you can't find the right guy and make the right read, you're gonna look bad.

Kolb doesn't have the mustard to sling it downfield in the face of a blitz.
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He has a chance to annihilate a defense in any game he plays. No matter how much teams try to prepare, they're ingrained to recognize pass or run and re-act accordingly. But because he starts off as a pass and can easily evade pass rushers that normally stop other QBs from scrambling, he's a force. He's awful throwing the ball but he gets gimmes sometimes when the D gets terrified of him scrambling.

The guy shouldn't be playing in the NFL but hey, paying a convicted criminal six figures+ to play on television in front of millions of kids is the American way. (And it would prevent him from gaining any other respectable job, he'd be a ******* fast food cook. But since he can run he gets to circumvent penalties for being a scumbag.)
He made a couple great throws yesteray,I don't know what game you were watching. Yes he killed some dogs and did his time now is back get over it.
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Why did the Eagles give Kolb all that money so fast after 2 starts? Even when we had Romo waiting in the wings for so long, we let him play out the remainder of the season filling in for Bledsoe, and we still let him start the next season to see if he was legit before giving him any money.


What was the point in giving him an extension so fast?


That being said, since you did that(thus never making it a fair or real QB competition in the off-season which Kolb very well could have lost) you have to go with Kolb right now if he is fully recovered. I would give him an extra week, let Vick beat up on Detroit then go with Kolb. Though while I say that if Vick plays even better in week 2, and Kolb sucks in week 3, there is gonna be full blown controversy in Philly for a QB switch.


This just has disaster written all over it. If Philly wants to still look good and stick with Kolb and lose games while Vick is the superior player I won't complain, but whether it was just 1 game or not Kolb looked like trash in that 1st half, staring down WR's and had no composure at all.
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Why did the Eagles give Kolb all that money so fast after 2 starts? Even when we had Romo waiting in the wings for so long, we let him play out the remainder of the season filling in for Bledsoe, and we still let him start the next season to see if he was legit before giving him any money.


What was the point in giving him an extension so fast?


That being said, since you did that(thus never making it a fair or real QB competition in the off-season which Kolb very well could have lost) you have to go with Kolb right now if he is fully recovered. I would give him an extra week, let Vick beat up on Detroit then go with Kolb. Though while I say that if Vick plays even better in week 2, and Kolb sucks in week 3, there is gonna be full blown controversy in Philly for a QB switch.


This just has disaster written all over it. If Philly wants to still look good and stick with Kolb and lose games while Vick is the superior player I won't complain, but whether it was just 1 game or not Kolb looked like trash in that 1st half, staring down WR's and had no composure at all.
They only extended his deal by one year, it's not like they got themselves into a long term pickle with his contract.
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Why did the Eagles give Kolb all that money so fast after 2 starts? Even when we had Romo waiting in the wings for so long, we let him play out the remainder of the season filling in for Bledsoe, and we still let him start the next season to see if he was legit before giving him any money.

What was the point in giving him an extension so fast?
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Kolb looked like trash in that 1st half, staring down WR's...
Not new at all. Honestly, I always felt that letting McNasty go was a payroll decision as much as anything else. I just hope that Kolb doesn't stare down Desean down and get him completely blown up - Desean's a small dude and one mistake can have severe consequences.
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It will be Kolb whenever he gets back but it will only be a matter of time before we see Mike Vick.
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Not new at all. Honestly, I always felt that letting McNasty go was a payroll decision as much as anything else. I just hope that Kolb doesn't stare down Desean down and get him completely blown up - Desean's a small dude and one mistake can have severe consequences.
Cutting Mcnabb or trading him to Oakland or Cleveland would have been a payroll decision, trading him to a divison rival is a statement that Mcnabb is washed up and that Kolb is a pro bowl caliber QB. I still believe Kolb will be a solid starter, but do I think he'll be the starter in Philly the next 5 years, I don't think so. As far as the question Vick will definitely start this week, but after the keys are back to Kolb until he proves otherwise.
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The Eagles traded McNabb for the reasons stated by ST-RIP. The didn't think he was capable of leading them where they wanted to go, and they decided to move on. Trading him to Washington was a matter of getting the most compensation for a player they didn't want on their roster anymore. It would have made sense to trade him to another squad, but I would wager a large amount that the Skins offered the most compensation.

The Eagles traded McNabb because they felt it was time to hand everything over to Kolb. If you thought that Kolb was the future of the franchise, you have to give him at least 8 games to figure things out before trying Vick out as the starter. I have to give Mike Vick credit because he appeared very prepared for what GB was trying to do. He did a good job of attacking certain weaknesses throughout the second half.

In terms of Kolb vs. Detroit, I trust the NFL's neurologists to do the right thing for the player. If Kolb gets cleared, he should be the starter. If he does not, Vick will be the guy. Regardless of the QB, the Eagles coaches have to attack the same spots. The major difference will be how they attack based on the QB's style. The offense is basically the same, but the playcalls will change based on the QB.
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