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Old 09-17-2010, 12:35 PM    (permalink
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I've posted in several threads about how bad the Colts OL is this year. I think it will become painfully clear against the Giants this Sunday. But people argue the Raiders, or Chiefs, or some other OL is worse. I find this hard to believe, but it is hard to really get to know other teams' OL. So tell me why your OL sucks.

For the Colts:

LT - Charlie Johnson was a career backup but 1st rounder Tony Ugoh was so horrible he had to step in to start. He is maybe 60-70% healthy and had to limp slowly off the field after the game.
LG - Jamey Richard was like a 6th round pick or something ridiculous. One of three centers taken in 08. In 08 he subbed for Jeff Saturday and looked ok but at guard he is beyond horrible. Too small, too weak, too tentative.
C - Jeff Saturday is 90 years old and has had multiple knee surgeries since 08.
RG - Mike Pollak is a 2nd rounder but might as well be Jamey Richard. A center taken in the 08 draft, he's again too small, weak, and tentative to play OL in the NFL. Strangely he has looked ok at center but Saturday isn't going to be replaced until he retires.
RT - Ryan Diem is soooooo slow. He can't keep up with future HOFers like Derrick Burgess, Leonard Little, or Antonio Smith. As big as he is he can't run block either. He gets abused regularly. He is also overpaid.
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Saints OL.... Bushrod gets dominated by Ware? Pretty much it.
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The Colts have won 12 games a year for like the last 20 years I don't feel sorry for them one bit to be honest.

As for the Chiefs their OL doesn't suck their QB does.
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20% (1/5th) of the Cowboys front 5 OL sucks, & his name is Barron. He's the one who clotheslines passrushers & costs his teams Ws.
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I'll have a word with Belichick and we''ll trade you Logan Mankins for Dwight Freeney.

Patriots:

Matt Light, LT-Still more than serviceable at LT however he never was as good as the press clippings from 2007 led you to believe. Maybe has one more year as a starter before Vollmer takes over.

Dan Connolly, LG-Down to the 3rd string guard, I'm actually not too worried about him. The issue comes with depth at the position. Actually one of the better pulling guards around he does struggle when having to play in a phonebooth.

Dan Koppen, OC-The best way to describe Koppen is mediocre. He does well with the line calls etc however he really struggles against big NTs. Could definitely be upgraded.

Stephen Neal, RG-A big, mean, nasty son-of-a-***** Neal's problem is he can't give you a full season. A great mauler in the run game but he can be exposed one on one.

Sebastian Vollmer, RT-One of my favourite draft picks in recent years(not at the time) Vollmer is an animal. He has very good feet and is good in pass protection. However he really shines in run blocking and is a real road grader.
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The Colts have won 12 games a year for like the last 20 years I don't feel sorry for them one bit to be honest.

As for the Chiefs their OL doesn't suck their QB does.
our OL sucked the first possesion of the game
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I've posted in several threads about how bad the Colts OL is this year. I think it will become painfully clear against the Giants this Sunday. But people argue the Raiders, or Chiefs, or some other OL is worse. I find this hard to believe, but it is hard to really get to know other teams' OL. So tell me why your OL sucks.

For the Colts:

LT - Charlie Johnson was a career backup but 1st rounder Tony Ugoh was so horrible he had to step in to start. He is maybe 60-70% healthy and had to limp slowly off the field after the game.
LG - Jamey Richard was like a 6th round pick or something ridiculous. One of three centers taken in 08. In 08 he subbed for Jeff Saturday and looked ok but at guard he is beyond horrible. Too small, too weak, too tentative.
C - Jeff Saturday is 90 years old and has had multiple knee surgeries since 08.
RG - Mike Pollak is a 2nd rounder but might as well be Jamey Richard. A center taken in the 08 draft, he's again too small, weak, and tentative to play OL in the NFL. Strangely he has looked ok at center but Saturday isn't going to be replaced until he retires.
RT - Ryan Diem is soooooo slow. He can't keep up with future HOFers like Derrick Burgess, Leonard Little, or Antonio Smith. As big as he is he can't run block either. He gets abused regularly. He is also overpaid.

Hope you have fun with these guys.

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Hm despite an invitation for everyone to ***** this is still a colts forum thread. I'd rather complain about special teams and pass rush anyway.
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I don't even wanna think about those freaks and Kiwi abusing this line. If P Manning makes it through the 4th I will call it a draw at least, whatever the score.

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Probably not, Freeney is what makes the defense go. But yeah I'd love to take that problem child off your hands, he isn't buying the Patriot Way.
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Hm despite an invitation for everyone to ***** this is still a colts forum thread. I'd rather complain about special teams and pass rush anyway.
You should have plenty to say CCSD. How's the protection holding up without McNeil? Has your RT (no idea who it is) slid to LT or are you guys using a second string player?

Also, there are like 3 active posters in the Colts forum so please don't ask me to go there.
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The Colts have won 12 games a year for like the last 20 years I don't feel sorry for them one bit to be honest.

As for the Chiefs their OL doesn't suck their QB does.
The talent at skill positions a lot of times makes Colts' O-Line look better then what it really is.

A lot of people look at Addai's recent numbers and think he has regressed significantly since 07/08 season. But if you look at the game film, you'd see that's not the case.

The O-Line that he is running behind right now is largely different. And that includes the holdovers such as Saturday and Diem, who aren't the same players anymore.

It's REALLY difficult for a RB to put up big numbers when he has to break tackles just to get to the line of scrimmage every time.
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As for the Chiefs their OL doesn't suck their QB does.
Ugh. One game. One game this year. Give him time.

And our OL got a lot better once we added Wiegmann and Lilja, so go us.
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Ugh. One game. One game this year. Give him time.

And our OL got a lot better once we added Wiegmann and Lilja, so go us.
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The only time I would give Matt Cassel is until he gets replaced.


The Colts are in a lot of trouble with how one dimensional their offense is, how weak their running game, O-Line and defense are. Tennessee and Houston look really strong as well. I can't believe it but they may not make the playoffs this year. I guess it really is a new decade.
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Well if this is in pro football, instead of the Colts board, I'm not looking forward to watching Jay Ratliff, DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer obliterate the Bears line. The Bears did a terrible job of finishing the play against the Lions.
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I don't understand how you can throw the offensive line under the bus for the Superbowl and then not make a single addition to it.

Bill Polian is an idiot ginger. I hate that man more than anybody in professional sports.
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Fixed it for you.
Did you mean Sanders? Mathis isn't injury prone really...

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I can't blame you. He is the architect of my team and I can't stand him. What a prick.
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Trade us Addai or Brown and we'll give you Spitz, maybe Lang, or Colledge +/- a pick. Spitz can play all 3 interior spots, Lang can play anywhere really, and Colledge can play LG and RT. Plus they are all young but logged a lot of game day PT. That would be a great trade for us, dunno how important having Addai and Brown is for you guys though.
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Trade us Addai or Brown and we'll give you Spitz, maybe Lang, or Colledge +/- a pick. Spitz can play all 3 interior spots, Lang can play anywhere really, and Colledge can play LG and RT. Plus they are all young but logged a lot of game day PT. That would be a great trade for us, dunno how important having Addai and Brown is for you guys though.
If any of those three are decent I'd trade Brown for him. Brown isn't the right kind of RB for us. Though it is weird talking about trading for a GB lineman considering all the flak they took last year for sucking.
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Fixed it again.

The Colts are more in trouble from that one-dimensional offense though. Team Peyton is all about Manning's arm yet it was always Addai's running & Edge's before that bailing them out. Maybe if Manning offers to take a pay cut so they can draft an elite OLT Polian would take the hint..... nah, he's oblivious. Oblivion runs in the Polian family's gene pool. Ask the FB fans in Baltimore how they feel about the Polians.....

Apparently there are like 10-12 teams with OL injuries, rookies starting (SF 9ers), have multiple false starts or just can't stop pass rushers period. Chicago may be the worst & drafted help in the 7th rd (J'Marcus Webb, W. Texas A&M), at least the GB Packers drafted help & are started a rookie with Bulaga, the 9ers have 2 OL rookies starting, they take a while to learn the position but at least help has arrived & learning. Jerry Angelo is a drafting ignoramus for Bears.

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Our offensive line doesn't really suck that bad anymore.
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If any of those three are decent I'd trade Brown for him. Brown isn't the right kind of RB for us. Though it is weird talking about trading for a GB lineman considering all the flak they took last year for sucking.
Entering last year we had 4 starting quality players and this year we have 8 IMO. We added Tauscher, Bulaga, Spitz came back from IR, and Lang was a rookie who took half a year to get going/get discovered. Lang played very solid at LT. He's probably most natural at RT, he got some consideration at LG, and some people even think C is is best position. Spitz was our best interior OL for 2-3 years until we got Sitton. Colledge has started for like 3 years at LG for us and he's up or down every year. His rookie year he looked like a future pro bowler, last year he got beat a lot.

We have 2 OTs that are on the edge of retirement so we stocked up on talent for the past 5 years or so. We are going to need them but right now I'd give one up for a good RB for the sake of this year. Right now we have a lot of young guys who are fringe starters but we know they are going to start once a spot opens up, they already proved they could while being young and not ready and even playing out of position. Those 3 guys would definitely start for the Colts right now and they are young. We probably like Lang too much to give him up though.
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