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Old 10-18-2010, 05:42 PM    (permalink
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No need to David Carr the kid.

let him sit on the bench and prepare for next year.
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So you can beat Peyton Manning, Brett Favre and Kurt Warner to win a Superbowl, but you'll just be damned vs. those rookie QBs eh?
saints are just playing like crap at the moment and Im very happy that we are 4-2 despite the level of play, the offense is slacking and the D is selling out on the run. Therefore partially the Rookie QBs have a chance to shine. On top of that the Saints defense showed last year that they are better against good QBs than bad ones (Getting torched by Freeman, Romo, Campbell and Moore whilst containing Warner, Manning, Brady, Favre and the likes)
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saints are just playing like crap at the moment and Im very happy that we are 4-2 despite the level of play, the offense is slacking and the D is selling out on the run. Therefore partially the Rookie QBs have a chance to shine. On top of that the Saints defense showed last year that they are better against good QBs than bad ones (Getting torched by Freeman, Romo, Campbell and Moore whilst containing Warner, Manning, Brady, Favre and the likes)
Your going to piss off some Cowboys fans there with that....

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No need to David Carr the kid.

let him sit on the bench and prepare for next year.
And if he doesn't look good then, but they missed out on the chance to draft a new guy like Luck or Locker....then what?

Clausen isn't some uber-raw rookie coming out of a quirky college system who needs some seasoning (like a Tim Tebow.) I think the more experience he gets, the better he can eventually be (or not be if he proves that he sucks long term.)
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Your going to piss off some Cowboys fans there with that....
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so clausen is the new brady quinn? i haven't been able to watch a panthers game... well, at all this season. is this the start to another 3 years of 'it's not that notre dame qb X sucks, it's that he wasn't given enough chances'?
yea he's getting jobbed the undrafted oregon state qb who sucks!

all orchestrated by jeff davidson, the mastermind of ruining careers of ND Qbs

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actually all the passes in the flat are thrown into the ground. the throws 5 yards over peoples head are the 3 yard out routes to the sidelines.
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Sam Bradford plays with WRs off the practice squad and still plays well. Remember Sam Bradford played in the spread offense and had a noodle arm was suppose to be a BUST.

Jimmy Clausen was pro-ready and played in a pro-style offense, oh yeah had laser arm so lets no make excuses for him.

Colt has looked 10x better than Jimmy and he had his top WRs carted off.
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Why did anyone even consider Jimmy Clausen one of the top QBs in this draft?

He fell to the second round for a reason: he sucked in college, and he sucks in the NFL.
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Why did anyone even consider Jimmy Clausen one of the top QBs in this draft?

He fell to the second round for a reason: he sucked in college, and he sucks in the NFL.
He didn't suck in college...
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He didn't suck in college...
Did he win any big games? Did he take his team to a signature bowl game victory?
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Did he win any big games? Did he take his team to a signature bowl game victory?
I forgot that's it's remarkably easy to overcome having no run game and no defense.
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Did he win any big games? Did he take his team to a signature bowl game victory?
Did Peyton Manning?
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Did you watch any ND games in 09?

He pretty much carried ND on his back to 6 wins with a ****** up foot, no ground game, a terrible underachieving O-Line, and oh ya, the worst defense in college football.
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I think his problem was not beating florida .....
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I think his problem was not beating florida .....
So you're saying there's a difference between not being able to beat Florida compared to... oh, I don't know, Syracuse? Navy? You're saying that's not the same?

I don't know. Jimmy had no help!!!!!! I think ND was also only allowed to play 8 people on defense one game and only 4 O-Linemen and he still barely lost. Jimmy was a winner, he just had a bad team. If you asked Jimmy to take a punch in the face. He would do it. Guy is a beast.
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Your going to piss off some Cowboys fans there with that....



And if he doesn't look good then, but they missed out on the chance to draft a new guy like Luck or Locker....then what?

Clausen isn't some uber-raw rookie coming out of a quirky college system who needs some seasoning (like a Tim Tebow.) I think the more experience he gets, the better he can eventually be (or not be if he proves that he sucks long term.)
Thats why you bring in a vet next year.to back Clausen up

This was not a move made up top this was a move made by John Fox the lame duck HC that needs wins now and Matt Moore always lights it up when there is no pressures on him.
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Jimmy played out of his mind last year and if he only had the vaguest semblence of a defense he wouldve won about 9 if not more and would have been in the heisman talk. ND was pretty much a 4 man team with him floyd, mccarthey and tate making all the good stuff happen and the rest of the team just pretty much being turnstiles for the opponents

edit: That doesnt mean I think he played good for the panthers, I do however think they should give him more time. Even more specific though I did not like him all that much, like Crist better even though he is a worse QB
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So you're saying there's a difference between not being able to beat Florida compared to... oh, I don't know, Syracuse? Navy? You're saying that's not the same?

I don't know. Jimmy had no help!!!!!! I think ND was also only allowed to play 8 people on defense one game and only 4 O-Linemen and he still barely lost. Jimmy was a winner, he just had a bad team. If you asked Jimmy to take a punch in the face. He would do it. Guy is a beast.
No help? Golden Tate, Michael Floyd, and Kyle Rudolph?

Notre Dame hasn't beaten a ranked team since 2006, so that encompasses Jimmy Clausen's entire career... not sure if that earns him the 'winner' label.

ND's defense wasn't as bad as people want to believe. Notre Dame only scored 7 points through 3 quarters against Navy at home and lost 23-21. They beat Boston College 20-16.

Looking at Jimmy Clausen, it makes Locker look better to me. He's got a substantially worse supporting cast and has beaten at least 3 ranked teams in his career that I can think of off the top of my head (USC twice and Oregon State).
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No, Sam Bradford just gets loved for doing the same thing that got Trent Edwards hated.
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How well is he playing? 2nd in INTs and 30th in yards per attempt?
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How well is he playing? 2nd in INTs and 30th in yards per attempt?
And we all know looking up his stats instead of watching him play is the better measure for how well he is playing.
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No help? Golden Tate, Michael Floyd, and Kyle Rudolph?

Notre Dame hasn't beaten a ranked team since 2006, so that encompasses Jimmy Clausen's entire career... not sure if that earns him the 'winner' label.

ND's defense wasn't as bad as people want to believe. Notre Dame only scored 7 points through 3 quarters against Navy at home and lost 23-21. They beat Boston College 20-16.

Looking at Jimmy Clausen, it makes Locker look better to me. He's got a substantially worse supporting cast and has beaten at least 3 ranked teams in his career that I can think of off the top of my head (USC twice and Oregon State).
I dont want to argue a bunch of the points but yes, the ND defense was as bad as people want to believe, maybe worse.
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so his 8 INTs and his 5.8 yards per attempt average look better live?
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so his 8 INTs and his 5.8 yards per attempt average look better live?
In case you forgot he's a rookie QB. Who is his best WR to throw to, or TE? Go ahead, I would love to hear the names of the studs, no, even above average players he has at those positions catching passes from him.


I guess actually winning games isn't as important as stats for a rookie QB though. Seeing as how they have won 4 games total in the past 2 seasons and already won 3 our of 6 games I'd say that has alot more to do with how well he is playing.


Never ceases to amaze me that people always bring up stats for a rookie QB playing on a terrible team, with no weapons to throw to what so ever, and then act like he's supposed to end up with 25 TD's, 7 INT's, and lead the league in YPA. You do know that typically QB's with high YPA's have been in the league a few years, and have an elite WR and/or TE that can actually catch, or make plays once the ball is thrown to them.


Bradford has made a bunch of outcast WR's look way better then what they really are.
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In case you forgot he's a rookie QB. Who is his best WR to throw to, or TE? Go ahead, I would love to hear the names of the studs, no, even above average players he has at those positions catching passes from him.


I guess actually winning games isn't as important as stats for a rookie QB though. Seeing as how they have won 4 games total in the past 2 seasons and already won 3 our of 6 games I'd say that has alot more to do with how well he is playing.


Never ceases to amaze me that people always bring up stats for a rookie QB playing on a terrible team, with no weapons to throw to what so ever, and then act like he's supposed to end up with 25 TD's, 7 INT's, and lead the league in YPA. You do know that typically QB's with high YPA's have been in the league a few years, and have an elite WR and/or TE that can actually catch, or make plays once the ball is thrown to them.


Bradford has made a bunch of outcast WR's look way better then what they really are.
Do I think Bradford is playing poorly? Honestly, I don't know. I just wouldn't categorize what he's doing as playing particularly well which is what I was addressing.

While his receivers are basically garbage, he does have a nice, developing offensive line and the 5th leading rusher in the league, so it's not as if he has absolutely nothing going for him.

And while it was only one game, it was against the Steelers, he was a 3rd round pick and his weapons are not much better, especially since 2 of them missed almost the whole game thanks to concussions, but Colt McCoy had 8.52 yards per attempt. 5.8 is pretty damn low.
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Do I think Bradford is playing poorly? Honestly, I don't know. I just wouldn't categorize what he's doing as playing particularly well which is what I was addressing.

While his receivers are basically garbage, he does have a nice, developing offensive line and the 5th leading rusher in the league, so it's not as if he has absolutely nothing going for him.

And while it was only one game, it was against the Steelers, he was a 3rd round pick and his weapons are not much better, especially since 2 of them missed almost the whole game thanks to concussions, but Colt McCoy had 8.52 yards per attempt. 5.8 is pretty damn low.

Your right, it has been one game, and it be nice if you didn't go from one extreme to the other. After the pre-season all you talked about was how he was about to get cut, you hated the pick, he couldn't read a defense, take a snap from under center, throw an out route, and a million other conclusions you jumped to before the regular season had even got here.


Changing your tune already? Now he's played better then Sam Bradford.
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