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Old 10-19-2010, 10:06 AM    (permalink
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Your right, it has been one game, and it be nice if you didn't go from one extreme to the other. After the pre-season all you talked about was how he was about to get cut, you hated the pick, he couldn't read a defense, take a snap from under center, throw an out route, and a million other conclusions you jumped to before the regular season had even got here.


Changing your tune already? Now he's played better then Sam Bradford.
If you watched the preseason games with him, you'd understand.

I am amazed at how well he played all things considered.

And I don't think he's necessarily better than Bradford... just that Bradford's YPA is incredibly low
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If you watched the preseason games with him, you'd understand.

I am amazed at how well he played all things considered.

And I don't think he's necessarily better than Bradford... just that Bradford's YPA is incredibly low
Really? If you end up crying about a rookie's YPA numbers then you know you're reaching. Sanchez is only at 6.2 (guess what? he's still a young QB developing!). Matt Ryan, Matt Cassel, Josh Freeman, Joe Flacco are all at 6.8 or less.

5.8 isn't that bad. It feels like you're just trying to brag about McCoy 8.52.
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Danny Freakin Amendola.

Say it with me guys. Danny Amendola.


He should win ROY just for the sole reason that his best WR is Danny Amendola.

Danny.

Amendola.


He made Mark Clayton look like he belongs in the league.


I mean come on. Seriously.
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Amendola isn't a bad WR though. I liked him coming out in college, and I liked him when he was on the Cowboys PS....I felt like if he could get to a team where he could get work out of the slot, he'd be Welker 2.0 and he's looking like it now.

That said.....Bradford is still impressing. I give a lot of credit to the Rams for designing an offense he can succeed in.
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Stats don't work for a rookie QB, especially one on a team as bad as the Rams. Trent Edwards was hated because he checked down a lot, but he was on a team with TO, Lee Evans, etc. and couldn't get the ball downfield. Plus, he wasn't always unpopular, he was even viewed as a bright spot for quite a while. Low YPA as a rookie really isn't a problem. He's making plays that are allowing the Rams to not only be competitive, but actually win games.
With Danny freaking Amendola, as BBD kindly pointed out.

Of course, 2-3 years down the line, if he's still at ~6 ypa, it's time to re-evaluate. But the dude's a rookie. It's okay to throw INTs and have a low YPA when you're a rookie.
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Stats don't work for a rookie QB, especially one on a team as bad as the Rams. Trent Edwards was hated because he checked down a lot, but he was on a team with TO, Lee Evans, etc. and couldn't get the ball downfield. Plus, he wasn't always unpopular, he was even viewed as a bright spot for quite a while. Low YPA as a rookie really isn't a problem. He's making plays that are allowing the Rams to not only be competitive, but actually win games.
With Danny freaking Amendola, as BBD kindly pointed out.

Of course, 2-3 years down the line, if he's still at ~6 ypa, it's time to re-evaluate. But the dude's a rookie. It's okay to throw INTs and have a low YPA when you're a rookie.
He was throwing it downfield when he had Clayton, and when he had Avery. The guy just has absolutely no one to throw downfield to. That's the problem.

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Amendola isn't a bad WR though. I liked him coming out in college, and I liked him when he was on the Cowboys PS....I felt like if he could get to a team where he could get work out of the slot, he'd be Welker 2.0 and he's looking like it now.

That said.....Bradford is still impressing. I give a lot of credit to the Rams for designing an offense he can succeed in.
I like Danny too, but as a 3rd option in the slot, the guy who can get you 5 yards and a cloud of dust on a screen pass/quick slant/misdirection route.

Not as a #1 who will get the opposition's best CB and possibly a safety or inside/outside coverage underneath.
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Bradford's poise and leadership are unreal. He is as cool as Joe Montana was. He just doesn't get rattled. You people that are hating on him don't have a clue.
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yeah, you can tell by watching Bradford that he's gonna be a good one. His ypa and ints aren't that hot, but they aren't that bad either considering he's a rookie and playing for the Rams. The Rams are competing and winning games and Bradford is a huge reason why.
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How well is he playing? 2nd in INTs and 30th in yards per attempt?
Awesome, he's still the best looking rookie QB playing in the NFL right now. But maybe the rams should of just cut him in the preseason........
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it doesn't matter what's actually happening in games, 5.8 y/a means he sucks. stop trying to imply that i need something other than box scores to know who's good.
Dude, you're just saying that bc you have the 2nd best QB in the league, Kyle Orton. Look at the yards.

Champion.

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it doesn't matter what's actually happening in games, 5.8 y/a means he sucks. stop trying to imply that i need something other than box scores to know who's good.
Where did I say he sucks? All I said was he isn't playing as well as some people would have you believe.
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ugh. but, predictably, every paper this morning: "ZOMGZ TEBOW! SHOULD HE BE STARTING!?!??!"
hahaha just imagine what they'd say if you had won.
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Where did I say he sucks? All I said was he isn't playing as well as some people would have you believe.
What rookie quarterback is playing better right now?
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Tim Tebow has yet to throw an incompletion. He is the obvious choice at starter.

PS, know how many incompletions Bradford has? 101.

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based solely on his box scores. regardless, it wasn't personally directed. this is a recurring forum theme.
It's 6 games worth of information in the NFL. I don't think that's an unfair sample size to determine the guy isn't a superstar yet.
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it's still completely irrelevant, in absence of any other information. is kyle orton really an mvp candidate?
What does one thing have to do with the other?
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if you're going to look solely at box scores, the answer should be obvious.
The MVP is the perceived value of a player to his team against other players' perceived value on their teams, which takes statistics and team success against other players statistics and team success.

The discussion of how well Bradford is playing is evaluating his play and his play alone.

There's no connection here.
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yes, there's no connection whatsoever between suggesting one guy is the MVP based solely on his box scores, and suggesting a player sucks, based solely on his box scores. absolutely brilliant. nice work.
again, I haven't said he sucks. Hasn't happened. You even admitted the fact I haven't, then asserted I did...

All I've said is he isn't playing as well as some have suggested.

And it's not like I can break down tape on here to show why
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it's still completely irrelevant, in absence of any other information. is kyle orton really an mvp candidate?
Can I say Kyle Orton is an MVP candidate?
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Clausen would also do better in a different offense IMO..something not so play action based.
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Clausen would also do better in a different offense IMO..something not so play action based.
The panthers offense playbook is the same as the one at ND, even Jimmy Clausen said it(only a little bigger). The panther OC was taught by charlie Weis so lets not use this excuse.
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The panthers offense playbook is the same as the one at ND, even Jimmy Clausen said it(only a little bigger). The panther OC was taught by charlie Weis so lets not use this excuse.
Exactly, it's just an easy cop out. After the draft everyone(especially Panthers fans) were so excited because the offense was a great fit, and so were the surrounding weapons. Funny how all that changes when he struggles.
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