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But he's right. I have said before that I think Polamalu is the best player in the NFL, QB's included. I think them losing him last year kind of showed that. That defense was not even a shell of it's normal self without his glue back there.

And for the record, Charles Woodson was the best CB in the NFL last year, not Revis.

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6. I'd rather have Troy Polamalu than Darrelle Revis.

I know. That's easy to say right now with the Steelers at 2-0 and Revis on the sideline with a hamstring injury.

But my point is the best safety in football is more valuable than the best corner. I really believe this. The pass interference and illegal contact rules are so restrictive in this era that a big-play safety can have more of an impact than a shutdown corner.

Polamalu, if he remains healthy, is definitely going to create more turnovers than the league's best corner. Polamalu is going to get five to eight interceptions and cause two to four fumbles. Plus, he's going to be an additional linebacker in run support.

Keep an eye on Polamalu for player of the year.
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This part might be wrong because Woodson created about 15-20 turnovers last year including a few for TDs the other way.
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Ill take Ed Reed over Troy Polamalu 10 times out of 10, and that has nothing to do with being a Ravens fan. Polamalu's most effective years came when he was in that Dick LeBeau 3-4 and he played that "X" role, where has had absolutely 0 responsibility on a huge number of plays. We've seen in recent years when he's asked to play a more traditional cover 2 style, he isn't as effective. I'm not saying he's bad now by any means, but he doesnt really fly all over the field and make crazy tackles like he used to. Thats because before, the scheme allowed him to do whatever the hell he wanted and look good doing it. If you put Reed in that system, its game over for QBs.
Polamalu has nothing on Revis.
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Saying that he's the best player in the NFL, QBs included, is completely ridiculous.

Best defensive player in the NFL? Maybe. Then again, I'd like to see what he does in a defense without a completely dominating, All-Pro linebacker corps.
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This part might be wrong because Woodson created about 15-20 turnovers last year including a few for TDs the other way.
And the quote here is just stupid. The biggest benefit of having a shutdown CB is no one throwing the god damned ball on his side of the field. How is he supposed to get interceptions if no one throws his way? Obviously Polamalu, who gets to center field half the time, is going to have more turnovers then someone who only makes plays on his half of the field a few times a game.
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Polamalu has nothing on Revis.
Too bad Ed Reed has the back of a 100 year old.
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Polamalu has nothing on Revis.
I the idea that a anyone would favor Reed in an argument pertaining to a safety freelancing is hilarious.
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I agree. Polamalu makes the Steelers one of the or the best best D in the league. Without him they are still good but not great. The guy is a flat out baller. Revis is a great player but he really is getting too much hype IMO
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I agree. Polamalu makes the Steelers one of the or the best best D in the league. Without him they are still good but not great. The guy is a flat out baller. Revis is a great player but he really is getting too much hype IMO
Look at the Steelers front 7, and then look at the Jets front 7. If you take Polamalu away from that Steelers D, I guarantee they still produce at a very high level. You take Revis away from the Jets, and all that fancy stuff Rex Ryan does with his pressure schemes goes to ****. The only reason that defense is so successful is because Revis can shut down his side of the field and it leaves Rex free to be creative.
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The wrong word is being used to describe Polamalu. The correct word is "valuable."
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Oh no doubt, the difference between a Steelers defense that has Troy and a Steelers defense without him is staggering. Troy Polamalu means more to the Steelers than Revis means to the Jets, Polamalu makes the entire Steelers defense better and the Jets played just fine without Revis in the second half of the Patriots game. In the five games in which Polamalu played, Pittsburgh was 4-1 and allowed an average of 13.8 points per game. In the 11 he missed, they were 5-6 and allowed an average of 23.2. And the yardage numbers mirror the trends of those stats I just posted, the Steelers defense without Troy P is not the superbowl winning defense we fear.
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Look at the Steelers front 7, and then look at the Jets front 7. If you take Polamalu away from that Steelers D, I guarantee they still produce at a very high level. You take Revis away from the Jets, and all that fancy stuff Rex Ryan does with his pressure schemes goes to ****. The only reason that defense is so successful is because Revis can shut down his side of the field and it leaves Rex free to be creative.
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In the five games in which Polamalu played, Pittsburgh was 4-1 and allowed an average of 13.8 points per game. In the 11 he missed, they were 5-6 and allowed an average of 23.2. And the yardage numbers mirror the trends of those stats I just posted, the Steelers defense without Troy P is not the superbowl winning defense we fear.
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I'm not saying who's better but wasn't Pitt's D noticeably worse last year after Troy P was out for the year?
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I'm not saying who's better but wasn't Pitt's D noticeably worse last year after Troy P was out for the year?
Yes, it performed considerably worse as I've already pointed out twice in this thread.
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Again, you guys are forgetting that their front seven is an All-Pro unit. Their entire LB corps is comprised of Pro Bowler types: Harrison, Timmons, Farrior, and Woodley.

Without Polamalu they are still a good defense based on their front seven's ability to stuff the run and rush the passer. With Polamalu, they become elite, as in, one of the top three, if not the best, in the NFL.

Polamalu is the straw that stirs an already very potent drink.
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Corner > Safety

Darrelle Revis essentially gives the Jets a 12 man defense, since they don't have to double his guy to shut them down allowing them to have an extra guy against the run or attacking the QB or, although the Jets never do it, an extra guy in coverage somewhere else.
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I still maintain that a healthy Aaron Smith is more important to the Pitt D than Troy. The two years he's gone down, their defense has turned into an absolute sieve. Troy P was playing when Smith went down in 2007 and their defense was abysmal going down the stretch. Same goes for last year, where he only played in two games.

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Look at the Steelers front 7, and then look at the Jets front 7. If you take Polamalu away from that Steelers D, I guarantee they still produce at a very high level. You take Revis away from the Jets, and all that .....
Wrong.
First, look back to the 2nd half of the Patriots-Jets game last week. Revis was OUT that half, and the Jets bottled up the Patriots, steamrolled them. Also, NT Kris Jenkins is out as well.

Second, they did take Polamalu away from that Steelers D, and they did not produce at a very high level last year.
Rodgers carved them up like a Lions or Browns defense, in Pittsburgh. They had Woodley and Harrison, Big Ben and Hines Ward and Mendenhall... but missing Troy, that defense went from the best, to carvable and out of the playoffs.
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In the five games in which Polamalu played, Pittsburgh was 4-1 and allowed an average of 13.8 points per game. In the 11 he missed, they were 5-6 and allowed an average of 23.2. And the yardage numbers mirror the trends of those stats I just posted, the Steelers defense without Troy P is not the superbowl winning defense we fear.
That would make a great sig for any Steeler fan right there.
Aaron Smith is a fine, hold-the-point-of-attack guy on the Steelers DL.

But Polamalu is the glue, the playmaker. He's without question the most valuable player on the Steelers defense and I believe any team's defense.
The Colts still are great when they miss Sanders at safety. Ed Reed's absence hurts but not as much as TP.
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Polamalu is indeed really good and really valuable. Maybe the front runner for DPOY. However, you're cuckoo for cocoa puffs if you think he's more valuable than any QB. Is he better? Well, I don't really know how you compare a QB to a safety. If by "better" you mean he does more than any QB to help his team win, again, cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
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Originally Posted by J-Mike88 View Post
Wrong.
First, look back to the 2nd half of the Patriots-Jets game last week. Revis was OUT that half, and the Jets bottled up the Patriots, steamrolled them. Also, NT Kris Jenkins is out as well.
Not to take away from the Jets, but this was the Patriots second half:

1st down - throw deep to Moss
2nd down - throw deep to Moss
3rd down - check down to Faulk for 3 yards.

or

1st down - rush for 1 yard
2nd down - throw deep to Moss.
3rd down - check down to Faulk for 5 yards.

I think Tom Brady was the Jets best defensive player. At least Sanchez threw at a weaker corner.
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