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Old 09-30-2010, 07:57 AM    (permalink
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Another thing is while its not his fault, Aso has yet to be on a winning team or appear in the playoffs as opposed to Revis who had a strong postseason last year.

Its the same argument I hold for Andre Johnson vs Larry Fitzgerald. Playoff time/crunch time does matter and Aso has very rarely experienced such.
I don't think its applicable to use the whole successful team arguement when talking about CBs. Seldom is a CB solely responsible for making their team that much better.

The Jets had the top rushing attack, got hot(and lucky) at the right time and had their defense coached by one of the top defensive minds in the game. Revis undoubtedly took the defense to another level but it's not like he carried the team.

Aso had a horrible defense apart from him and a few others, the offense was shambolic and oh yeah...Al freaking Davis runs the team. It's hard to win there no matter how good you are.
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Well, Aaron Smith tore his triceps. I've always maintained he's the real MVP of that defense. We'll see now.
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Well, Aaron Smith tore his triceps. I've always maintained he's the real MVP of that defense. We'll see now.
THIS.

Yeah the D-line is already patchwork this makes it even worse. We really need to find a replacement for him. He hasn't been injury free for a while now, 1 full season in the last 4 years. And even that 1 season I think he was injured but played through it.
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Well, Aaron Smith tore his triceps. I've always maintained he's the real MVP of that defense. We'll see now.
Well, either way I expected that insanely low rushing ypg allowed number to go up, but it's a huge loss. Smith has really been the mainstay in that defense. Off the top of my head I don't think anyone else has been a Steeler for longer on that D.
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The correct title is "Troy Polamalu is a better and more productive defensive player then Darrelle Revis".


That said I'd also take Ed Reed over Troy, look at what he did back this week after coming off the PUP, no rust at all. I'd also easily take an elite shut down corner over an elite all over the place Safety. You can take a safety out of the game if you scheme right, but your CB is gonna take your best WR out of the game period.


A safety may shut down the deep ball, but there are tons of ways to get your #1 WR, RB, or TE involved even if you dink and dunk down the field and avoid him. Hard to ignore the fact that an elite corner can shadow your best WR and potentially take him out of the game.
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Well, Aaron Smith tore his triceps. I've always maintained he's the real MVP of that defense. We'll see now.
its absolutely true and you arent alone in thinking that....hes a true master of the position, its hard for him to not be perfect when he plays.

troy is so overrated, i love the guy but he whiffs on more tackles than he hits, hes got tremendous ball skills and instincts, but hes not exactly lock down in coverage either. one time i would love to see him wrap a guy up and tackle him rather than torpedoing himself into their legs and hoping for the best. bob sanders is smaller than him, so it winfield and they are some of the best form tacklers in the league...idk what troy has against it.

hes notoriously overrated by steeler fans, and has really made probowls based on his hair before....there was a stretch where he didnt record a pick from 06-the beginning of 09 or something like that...i was fed up with him whiffing and getting hurt because he insists on training like a figure skater.

hes a great player, but smith hurts way more losing than troy ever would....evander hood is a failure, hes awful and the steelers will get gashed in the run game on that side of the field from now til the end of the year
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THIS.

Yeah the D-line is already patchwork this makes it even worse. We really need to find a replacement for him. He hasn't been injury free for a while now, 1 full season in the last 4 years. And even that 1 season I think he was injured but played through it.
Yeah, he's had a bad series of seasons.

2007 - Torn Biceps, IR
2008 - Dinged up but played through it
2009 - Rotator Cuff Injury, IR
2010 - Torn Triceps, very likely will go on IR.
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one time i would love to see him wrap a guy up and tackle him rather than torpedoing himself into their legs and hoping for the best.
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lol freak play....im saying in the open field...hes a torpedo and thats it.

smith is probably gonna have to hang them up soon, his arms are gonna be in shambles.
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smith is probably gonna have to hang them up soon, his arms are gonna be in shambles.
Yeah, I'm kind of worried he already played his last game as a Steeler.

I know he's still supremely talented, and a crucial element of our defense, but he's 34 years old and this injury could legitimately be a career-ender.
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....evander hood is a failure, hes awful and the steelers will get gashed in the run game on that side of the field from now til the end of the year
I was wondering what's up with Ziggy Hood.
I read such rave reviews about him coming out of Mizzou.... guys like Waldo with his mathematical, measurement BS proclaimed Ziggy as a can't miss stud.

You really are that down on Polamalu? Amazing.

I'll trade you one Morgan Burnett, one Atari Bigby for one Troy Polamalu if you think he's overrated and misses more tackles than he makes. Burnett will be a fine player.... on IR now of course. Bigby is off the PUP list and should be ready.

2-for-1, and you get the rookie with many years left.

Polamalu + Collins would = Good times in Green Bay.
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I was wondering what's up with Ziggy Hood.
I read such rave reviews about him coming out of Mizzou.... guys like Waldo with his mathematical, measurement BS proclaimed Ziggy as a can't miss stud.

You really are that down on Polamalu? Amazing.

I'll trade you one Morgan Burnett, one Atari Bigby for one Troy Polamalu if you think he's overrated and misses more tackles than he makes. Burnett will be a fine player.... on IR now of course. Bigby is off the PUP list and should be ready.

2-for-1, and you get the rookie with many years left.

Polamalu + Collins would = Good times in Green Bay.
i do think polamalu is overrated, not that i dont think hes a stud. he really bounced back in 08 and had an amazing season, then got hurt again and now hes up and down. i do not see him as a player that can do no wrong, many steeler fans are blinded by the hair thats hes the be all end all greatest of all time.

hood is such a good athlete, and his TC one-on-one drill hype had me even kinda buying into it (i despised the pick since day one)...but evander is a 5 tech failure imo and will never be what they hoped he would. the only time hes even been KIND OF effective is lined up over the center at nose every now and then

hed be great if lets say the colts spared me the misery of the pick and took him over donald brown, but no such luck i guess
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i do think polamalu is overrated, not that i dont think hes a stud. he really bounced back in 08 and had an amazing season, then got hurt again and now hes up and down. i do not see him as a player that can do no wrong, many steeler fans are blinded by the hair thats hes the be all end all greatest of all time.

hood is such a good athlete, and his TC one-on-one drill hype had me even kinda buying into it (i despised the pick since day one)...but evander is a 5 tech failure imo and will never be what they hoped he would. the only time hes even been KIND OF effective is lined up over the center at nose every now and then

hed be great if lets say the colts spared me the misery of the pick and took him over donald brown, but no such luck i guess
You're just trying to be contrarian. Troy's worst season was a few years ago when he was basically playing with one shoulder. He does miss some tackles but he also makes plays that no other player on the field could.
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You're just trying to be contrarian. Troy's worst season was a few years ago when he was basically playing with one shoulder. He does miss some tackles but he also makes plays that no other player on the field could.
And he's done that many many times.
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Now, here I go again.
Yesterday, Polamalu comes up with some game changing plays against the Bengals.....

Last week, it was HIS PLAY against Joe Flacco in Baltimore that stole that game away from the Ravens, and stole the division away.

That's what I'm talking about: this guy makes more game-changing, game-winning plays at big times than anyone I can remember since Reggie White.

Sure, he might miss some tackles going for big hits, but he just has a knack for huge plays at huge moments.

Meanwhile, what good is Revis doing? Nothing.

Polamalu>Revis


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Defensive Player of the Week

Troy Polamalu, FS, Pittsburgh.

Catapulted himself back into the MVP race -- at least into the periphery of it -- with a brilliant 45-yard interception return for touchdown to awaken a comatose Steelers team Sunday at Heinz Field. The Bengals led 7-0 with five minutes until halftime, and Carson Palmer threw a tailor-made interception for Polamalu. This is where it got interesting. From the Bengal 45, Polamalu weaved toward the goal line, got around the 5, and dove, stretching the ball straight out and breaking the plane before falling out of bounds. Polamalu stole another pass from the badly fading Carson Palmer to seal it later.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz181rIB7Jj
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Meanwhile, what good is Revis doing? Nothing.


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Troy Polamalu, FS, Pittsburgh.

Catapulted himself back into the MVP race -- at least into the periphery of it -- with a brilliant 45-yard interception return for touchdown to awaken a comatose Steelers team Sunday at Heinz Field. The Bengals led 7-0 with five minutes until halftime, and Carson Palmer threw a tailor-made interception for Polamalu. This is where it got interesting. From the Bengal 45, Polamalu weaved toward the goal line, got around the 5, and dove, stretching the ball straight out and breaking the plane before falling out of bounds. Polamalu stole another pass from the badly fading Carson Palmer to seal it later.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz181rIB7Jj
Revis is doing nothing? Really? He is quietly putting together another geat season. He wasn't targeted once in the blowout in New England and may have been targeted once or twice yesterday. Don't think he gave up a catch but I could be wrong.

Peter King called Sanchez a MVP candidate earlier this year. Take whatever he says with a grain of salt. Not saying that Polamalu isn't having a MVP type season but it's still Peter King.
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Urgh i hate Peter King :@

But still...Polamalu <3
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I made the thread way before Peter King's column this morning, but I thought it was interesting to see today.

Revis is great.

But he can't and doesn't make plays like Polamalu does. I said it months ago... years ago actually.

Last year with TP hurt, I thought that proved my statement that TP was the best defensive player in the NFL because the Steelers D went to hell.
But others said it was Aaron Smith's loss.

Now we see no Aaron Smith, but we still see TP making game-winning plays.
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I would rather have Revis then Troy.

Just think, if the Jets hadn't traded up in front of the Steelers its pretty much accepted that we would have drafted Revis over Timmons.
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I made the thread way before Peter King's column this morning, but I thought it was interesting to see today.

Revis is great.

But he can't and doesn't make plays like Polamalu does. I said it months ago... years ago actually.

Last year with TP hurt, I thought that proved my statement that TP was the best defensive player in the NFL because the Steelers D went to hell.
But others said it was Aaron Smith's loss.

Now we see no Aaron Smith, but we still see TP making game-winning plays.
Smith has been replaced fairly well by the play of Hoke, Eason, and 1st round pick Ziggy Hood.

Also repalced by the fact that he is the bets run stopping force on the team, and teams don't even bother trying to run the ball on th Steelers anymore.
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I made the thread way before Peter King's column this morning, but I thought it was interesting to see today.

Revis is great.

But he can't and doesn't make plays like Polamalu does. I said it months ago... years ago actually.

Last year with TP hurt, I thought that proved my statement that TP was the best defensive player in the NFL because the Steelers D went to hell.
But others said it was Aaron Smith's loss.

Now we see no Aaron Smith, but we still see TP making game-winning plays.
You're so full of it. Where were you the past two months? Besides, you only made this thread after Jason Whitlock wrote his article, and he's wrong. Call me when Troy plays a full season and shuts down #1 WRs alone.
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You're so full of it. Call me when Troy shuts down #1 WRs alone.
You're so full of it. Call me when any strong safety that is asked to do what Troy does, shuts down #1 WRs alone.
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You're so full of it. Where were you the past two months? Besides, you only made this thread after Jason Whitlock wrote his article, and he's wrong. Call me when Troy plays a full season and shuts down #1 WRs alone.
Troy covered Fitzgerald one on one many times during the Superbowl.

And shutting down #1 receivers alone isn't his job as a safety. But he still did it.

He makes the defense what it is. Its filled with a ton of other talents, but without Troy and his very unique talent and incredible physical skills the system doesn't work. He's my favorite defensive player I've ever seen, mostly because of how unique and dominant he has been.

I love Revis and what he does. I understand the argument that completely taking the other teams #1 receiver away is huge. But the way Troy plays safety enables him to truly win games for us in any way you can imagine.

I think I give Troy the nod because I've never seen anyone play the game anything close to the way Troy does. I've seen players be dominant shutdown corners before.
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You're so full of it. Where were you the past two months? Besides, you only made this thread after Jason Whitlock wrote his article, and he's wrong. Call me when Troy plays a full season and shuts down #1 WRs alone.
I've called this guy the best defensive player for years, and I usually hate Whitlock, so you're full of it.

And Polamalu does a lot more than contain one player.
He makes plays all over the field.

We don't even notice Revis most games.
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We don't even notice Revis most games.
Usually, I'd say it's a good thing when you don't notice a CB. Either Polamalu or Revis playing at his best is a game changer and does whatever's asked of his position, so I don't really see the point in comparing the two. Apples and oranges.
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