Trading down?

Merlin · 03-19-2007, 02:47 PM

As a Tampa fan, I would like to here your thoughts on a trade possibility? (CJ if he's available)

We would swap 1rd picks, (on the day) and give you our 2B (#35) and 5th Rd pick (#131)

Opinion's please.

Xiomera · 03-19-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlin

As a Tampa fan, I would like to here your thoughts on a trade possibility? (CJ if he's available)

We would swap 1rd picks, (on the day) and give you our 2B (#35) and 5th Rd pick (#131)

Opinion's please.

I'd do it in an instant . . . with no regrets or concerns.

Can we send it in the the Commish?

Jagonsucker · 03-19-2007, 03:40 PM

It would be OK but i think Detroit can get a lot more if they trade down to spots 8-12. So if i was Millen i wouldn't do it unless that was the only trade that was offered.

Xiomera · 03-19-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jagonsucker

It would be OK but i think Detroit can get a lot more if they trade down to spots 8-12. So if i was Millen i wouldn't do it unless that was the only trade that was offered.

The thing is, if Detroit only moves down to 4, they could then move down again if some team wants Quinn or Joe Thomas. One, if not both, of these guys will be there at 4, and Arizona might bite just to secure themselves Thomas.

That being said, I see Detroit's trade partner being a little lower in the top ten.

TRJ997 · 03-19-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jagonsucker

It would be OK but i think Detroit can get a lot more if they trade down to spots 8-12. So if i was Millen i wouldn't do it unless that was the only trade that was offered.

It is unlikely that a team in the 8-12 range would give up the picks to move to 2. Sure it would be great to get a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and next years 1st from Atlanta, but that isn't going to happen. IMO, the only chance Detroit has to trade down is with CLE, TB, or ARI, but even that would be expensive. They could trade down twice to 8-12, which would be great given Detroit's needs and the players at the top of this draft.

Also note that our 2B pick is #64, not #35. As a Buc's fan, I'd be fine with the trade if it included the 64th pick, but I really want to hang on to our 2a pick. There will be a few 1st round talents available then who could be immediate impact players on our team.

Xiomera · 03-19-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TRJ997

It is unlikely that a team in the 8-12 range would give up the picks to move to 2. Sure it would be great to get a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and next years 1st from Atlanta, but that isn't going to happen. IMO, the only chance Detroit has to trade down is with CLE, TB, or ARI, but even that would be expensive. They could trade down twice to 8-12, which would be great given Detroit's needs and the players at the top of this draft.

Also note that our 2B pick is #64, not #35. As a Buc's fan, I'd be fine with the trade if it included the 64th pick, but I really want to hang on to our 2a pick. There will be a few 1st round talents available then who could be immediate impact players on our team.

Detroit would probably take #4, #64, and your third rounder for #2 . . . but I don't see that deal (or any other like this) happening.

TacticaLion · 03-19-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Xiomera

The thing is, if Detroit only moves down to 4, they could then move down again if some team wants Quinn or Joe Thomas. One, if not both, of these guys will be there at 4, and Arizona might bite just to secure themselves Thomas.

That being said, I see Detroit's trade partner being a little lower in the top ten.

My thoughts exactly. Trade down to 4, then trade down again... accept anything reasonable for the second trade-down (even for their first, third and fourth). Those trades would give us a LOT of flexibility in the draft... and the ability to package picks to move back up and select another great player.

P-L · 03-19-2007, 04:06 PM

If the Bucs didn't give us #35 then I'd say no deal. If the Bucs gave us #4, #35, and their 5th Round pick then they'd still have a slight edge on the trade using the value chart. #4, #64, and a 5th would be ripping us off.

TacticaLion · 03-19-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriots-Lions

If the Bucs didn't give us #35 then I'd say no deal. If the Bucs gave us #4, #35, and their 5th Round pick then they'd still have a slight edge on the trade using the value chart. #4, #64, and a 5th would be ripping us off.

#4, #35 and the 5th is a reasonable trade (regardless if it fits the "trade value")... but #4, #64 and a 5th is horrible.

They'd have to do better than that... maybe a 2008 pick added in (or a player).

Xiomera · 03-19-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriots-Lions

If the Bucs didn't give us #35 then I'd say no deal. If the Bucs gave us #4, #35, and their 5th Round pick then they'd still have a slight edge on the trade using the value chart. #4, #64, and a 5th would be ripping us off.

You wouldn't do this deal? I mean we are targetting Adams, Thomas, and Quinn . . . Adams and probably one other will be there at 4. Why sit at 2 and take them there? Plus we'd be paying them more.

asmitty45 · 03-19-2007, 05:12 PM

I like the deal but i think we will be able to get more on draft day.

Xiomera · 03-19-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by asmitty45

I like the deal but i think we will be able to get more on draft day.

Unless Oakland takes CJ . . . we might be better off making a deal sooner than later. If we trade down and remain in the top 5, then we can do another deal on draft day.

etk · 03-19-2007, 05:42 PM

An unnamed source has indicated that the Bucs will not trade up in this year's draft. Lions fans can hope to scam extra picks from another team like Arizona, because Tampa fans are well aware that once CJ drops past #1 he will be a Buc, assuming that one psycho team outside of the top 5 doesn't try to trade up with a ridiculous amount of picks to acquire his services. If said psycho team pulls that trade, Lions fans will suffer even more because Matt Millen will have more picks to blow!

TacticaLion · 03-19-2007, 06:16 PM

post below...

TacticaLion · 03-19-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by etk

An unnamed source has indicated that the Bucs will not trade up in this year's draft. Lions fans can hope to scam extra picks from another team like Arizona, because Tampa fans are well aware that once CJ drops past #1 he will be a Buc, assuming that one psycho team outside of the top 5 doesn't try to trade up with a ridiculous amount of picks to acquire his services. If said psycho team pulls that trade, Lions fans will suffer even more because Matt Millen will have more picks to blow!

Shut the **** up. The joke has been said... it's old... you aren't funny... get over yourself.

I'm sick of children using the same old joke in a reasonable discussion. Stop being stupid.

Oh yeah... a source said something about the draft? REALLY!? WOAH! Man... that "source" could NOT possibly be a smokescreen, could it? You are a genius.

And... guess what? Trading up will obviously cost a team SOMETHING. It isn't a "scam". CJ is a great talent, and a lot of teams would trade multiple picks to draft him.

A "source" also said that the Bucs might draft Okoye at #4. Look into that one, chief.

etk · 03-19-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TacticaLion

Shut the **** up. The joke has been said... it's old... you aren't funny... get over yourself.

I'm sick of children using the same old joke in a reasonable discussion. Stop being stupid.

Oh yeah... a source said something about the draft? REALLY!? WOAH! Man... that "source" could NOT possibly be a smokescreen, could it? You are a genius.

And... guess what? Trading up will obviously cost a team SOMETHING. It isn't a "scam". CJ is a great talent, and a lot of teams would trade multiple picks to draft him.

A "source" also said that the Bucs might draft Okoye at #4. Look into that one, chief.

Looks like someone is a little bitter.....

If the joke was old and funny, how come Lions fans continue to mock Matt Millen themselves to this day? How come Scotty D, a reputable poster who is a Lions fan has a sig ridiculing Matt Millen's draft board? How come it is poking fun at the # of WRs he has taken?

I just made a little joke that I wasn't even serious about. Matt Millen is not the GM many make him out to be, he has made some great picks like Redding & Sims, and his 2004 draft was a success.

Your attempt to anger me with the Okoye comment has only done the opposite, because I like Okoye and he is #2 on my Bucs draft board.

Next time you vent out your anger and frustrations on an innocent poster, try to be reasonable in your comments and try to be less profane and rude. You attempted to insult me rudely 7 times (I counted), and you negative repped me for a very immature, childish and selfish reason.

You can make it up to yourself, your fellow Lions fans, and me by apologizing sincerely and positive repping me to compensate for the previous damage. Otherwise you are just an angry troll that can't have fun or enjoy fair discussion from another football fan. This is a football forum and we are all fans of the game, your comments were out-of-hand and un-sportsmanlike.

Sincerely,

-etk-

Scotty D · 03-19-2007, 08:44 PM

Its kind of like how a big brother picks on his little brother, but as soon as someone else picks on the little brother the big brother gets mad.

Xiomera · 03-19-2007, 09:06 PM

Lions fans can make fun of themselves. Others can't, mainly because they don't know what the hell they are talking about.

jbombul · 03-19-2007, 09:18 PM

basically, dont F*** with the family

Xiomera · 03-19-2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jbombul

basically, dont F*** with the family

Or you'll be swimming with the fishes.

WMD · 03-19-2007, 09:57 PM

Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes.

TacticaLion · 03-20-2007, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by etk

Looks like someone is a little bitter.....

If the joke was old and funny, how come Lions fans continue to mock Matt Millen themselves to this day? How come Scotty D, a reputable poster who is a Lions fan has a sig ridiculing Matt Millen's draft board? How come it is poking fun at the # of WRs he has taken?

I just made a little joke that I wasn't even serious about. Matt Millen is not the GM many make him out to be, he has made some great picks like Redding & Sims, and his 2004 draft was a success.

Your attempt to anger me with the Okoye comment has only done the opposite, because I like Okoye and he is #2 on my Bucs draft board.

Next time you vent out your anger and frustrations on an innocent poster, try to be reasonable in your comments and try to be less profane and rude. You attempted to insult me rudely 7 times (I counted), and you negative repped me for a very immature, childish and selfish reason.

You can make it up to yourself, your fellow Lions fans, and me by apologizing sincerely and positive repping me to compensate for the previous damage. Otherwise you are just an angry troll that can't have fun or enjoy fair discussion from another football fan. This is a football forum and we are all fans of the game, your comments were out-of-hand and un-sportsmanlike.

Sincerely,

-etk-

Bitter? Nope. Tired of the same, used comments? Yes. The worst part? You came on the "Detroit Lions Team Forum" to say it.

I can understand why Lions fans like "iamcanadian" bash Millen. Why? They're sick of watching their team fail year after year... for 20+ years. They think they know the problem, and want the problem fixed before they fail again. I'll argue with him from time to time, but I can at least see his perspective.

I can't see your perspective... at all... in the first post (other than taking a shot at the Lions). Lets recap:

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Originally Posted by etk

An unnamed source has indicated that the Bucs will not trade up in this year's draft.

WOW! A Bucs fan makes a thread, proposes a trade to us, and asks our opinion... and you enter the thread to tell us that an "unnamed source" has indicated that the Bucs won't trade up? You must be a goddamn detective. Considering that this is the NFL Draft, I believe half of what I hear from a reputable source and absolutely none of what I hear from a random fan like you. Bring a name/link, or don't make the comment.

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Originally Posted by etk

"Lions fans can hope to scam extra picks from another team...

"assuming that one psycho team outside of the top 5 doesn't try to trade up with a ridiculous amount of picks to acquire his services."

Interesting. Asking for a 2nd and 5th round pick is a scam? Absolutely not. It's the price a team will pay to draft the best WR prospect available (or have their pick at both QBs). The Lions will probably trade down, and will receive similar offers from a variety of teams. You might want to familiarize yourself with the Trade Value Chart... it'll help you from making unreasonable comments.

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Originally Posted by etk

If said psycho team pulls that trade, Lions fans will suffer even more because Matt Millen will have more picks to blow!

I don't think anything else needs to be said about this one. You made the same "Millen Bashing" comment, and I replied to you. If you're going to start with the insults, you better be able to take them in return.

So, etk... since you seem to want a "fair discussion", start by making a fair and respectful post in another team's thread. And, if you want an apology, start by giving one. I could care less either way. This is an internet forum... you made some stupid comments... I threw them back at you.

Xiomera · 03-20-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lions WMD

Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes.

I was hoping someone would follow up with this.

TRJ997 · 03-20-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Xiomera

You wouldn't do this deal? I mean we are targetting Adams, Thomas, and Quinn . . . Adams and probably one other will be there at 4. Why sit at 2 and take them there? Plus we'd be paying them more.

I agree with you on this Xi. I think there is a less than 50% chance that any team will offer a fair trade based on the Trade Value Chart. However, since the Lions would have almost a 100% chance to get the top defensive player on their board at 4 or 5, I think they should take a somewhat "unfair" deal to move down. Unless, of course, someone is willing to give a 1, 2, and 3 plus.

If there were no other deals on the table with Detroit on the clock, would their fans be upset if they traded from 2 to 4 for the 64th pick and a TB's 4th? Or would you rather take JT, Quinn, or Adams at 2?

TacticaLion · 03-20-2007, 05:01 PM

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/10069968

HAHA! A new draft on www.nfl.com that has the Bucs trading up with the Lions... and trading the Lions their 2nd and 4th round draft picks.

That's some funny ****.

After all the bitching that etk did... claiming that an "unnamed source" said the Bucs WOULD NOT trade down... and that giving the Lions their 2nd and 5th round pick was a "scam" and "ridiculous"... nfl.com posts a mock draft that does just that (actually, even better). That's awesome.

*waves*... hi, etk!

(About the trading: I'd take any reasonable trade over not trading... although I want the best trade possible. If they could only find offers for an additional 3rd, I'd still take it (if it kept us in the top 10). Having more picks is better than having less picks.)

(Side note... in the mock draft, he claims the Lions will address crucial needs at safety and linebacker. What about CB? As much as i'd like a stud FS, I think we need a stud CB first. Ah well... I'd prefer Gaines Adams at #4 and Stanton/MLB/CB/S/OG as the 2nd round picks.)