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Old 10-12-2010, 11:24 AM    (permalink
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There might not have been a statistical dropoff, but if you watch the games, you can tell that he starts to decline in 2006-2008, then last year and this year, he is back and playing at an All Pro level after a few years of being in decline. It doesn't add up to me...
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For Ray Lewis skeptics:



Coincidence, I think not.
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He had Ngata in those down years too....
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Ngata is only 26. Surely he is a vastly superior player now than when he was 22 years old.
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Ngata didn't help Ray suddenly get faster at 36 than he was at 33 while adding more weight.

And it's not like he had slouches up front before Ngata either.
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Like seriously...if Vernon Gholston isn't a roider/HGH user, i don't know who is.
Well, if he is it ain't helping.
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the Jets OLine and such isn't THAT much better than the Chargers.
I think it is, at least when it comes to run blocking. DBrick and Mangold are pro bowlers, Brandon Moore probably should be a pro bowler, the guy is one of the most underrated players in the league at any position, Tony Richardson is still Tony Richardson, Dustin Keller has gotten surprisingly good at run blocking.

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I think another underlooked aspect is that Brian's playbook is pretty much the same thing as Marty's. It's much easier for LDT to run downhill out of two back sets as opposed to running traps and draws out of the gun.
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Ngata didn't help Ray suddenly get faster at 36 than he was at 33 while adding more weight.

And it's not like he had slouches up front before Ngata either.
You are making the assumption Ray Lewis has a better burst now than a few years ago, when in fact he is visibly slower. Ive seen it for a few years now that he is losing his burst, so I cant really agree he is faster now than at 33.

Im not denying hes on something, but its not like you have put it.
Hes been slowly winding down. I never noticed a loss then an upswing like with LDT.

I have noticed his instincts and smarts making a lot of plays for him, like the Sproles hit last year to end the game. He trains for hours every day in the offseason, seriously like a maniac, so that certainly helps him maintain...perhaps some juice on top of it can help. Really dont care either way.
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Didn't you know that Ray Lewis has never, ever had any dropoff whatsoever his entire career? Silly BBD.
look over BBD post. He said was great, horribly washed up, then great again. In that time span Ray wasnt horribly washed up. He was still pretty good.
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The problem isn't guys taking drugs, it's people writing off older guys in terrible situations as "losing a step" when it's really just crappy teams and loss of motivation. Randy Moss was "done" the year before he set the TD record.

I'll say "I told you so" on Tomlinson.
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The problem isn't guys taking drugs, it's people writing off older guys in terrible situations as "losing a step" when it's really just crappy teams and loss of motivation. Randy Moss was "done" the year before he set the TD record.

I'll say "I told you so" on Tomlinson.
I can see this, because I said the same thing about TO.
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Tomlinson wasn't washed up in SD, but he wasn't running with wreckless abandon like he had to climb to the top.

There are tons of guys who have skillz, but having the ballz to run all-out into what is supposed to be a hole sometimes goes away a bit after those holes turn out to be a brick wall over and over.
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I can see this, because I said the same thing about TO.

Yea, sometimes guys ARE just done, but you have to really watch. Most people saw Tomlinson's YPC and said he was done.
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The problem isn't guys taking drugs, it's people writing off older guys in terrible situations as "losing a step" when it's really just crappy teams and loss of motivation. Randy Moss was "done" the year before he set the TD record.

I'll say "I told you so" on Tomlinson.
The thing is that a lot of guys don't get that fire back regardless of where they end up. Take Larry Johnson, dude was a monster for 2 years and then lost that anger and wreckless abandon with which he ran and has never gotten that mentality back. Sure some guys will bounceback and be-refocused to rise back to the top a la Andre Agassi, but those are the exceptions and not the rule.
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My point was, there is a difference between losing a step and losing motivation.
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After all the post season talk and hype, where has Tim Tebow been? Have they not developed any packages for him yet?
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Hi, Kyle Orton was leading the NFL in passing offense last week. Who needs Tim Tebow?
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why would they have developed any packages for him? because espn likes talking about him?

Imagine a TE screen to Tebow. Imagine it.
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why would they have developed any packages for him? because espn likes talking about him?
I'm just surprised he has barely seen the field.
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Tim Tebow doesn't see the field bc Tim Tebow sucks.

That's why.



At best, he'll be an NFL caliber qb in 4 years.
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That could be his one play of the game, and it could for 1 yard, in what could be the most epic game of the week full of tons of awesome highlights.....and ESPN would still waste 10-15 seconds showing it.
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I'm just surprised he has barely seen the field.
I think the plan all along was for Tebow to sit and watch this year, I think that was pretty much the plan no matter who drafted him.
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let's not get carried away here, he's still on the broncos.
Just a little hyperbole....they would though, regardless of what else happens in that game, be sure to show that highlight of Tim Tebow catching a pass for 1 yard.
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