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Old 10-29-2010, 02:10 AM    (permalink
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Not to be this guy but.....I did not like Aaron Maybin at all coming out.
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Where do I nominate Ryan Cook for the NFLs worst player?
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Where do I nominate Ryan Cook for the NFLs worst player?
I'm pretty sure as a 3x defending champ of the title that he receives an automatic qualification!
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I hated him coming out.

He was a super fast DE but was only 230 lbs.

Then he gets up to 250 lbs for the combine, which is still too light, and runs slow as hell.

So he was basically fast when he was ridiculously undersized, then when he put on weight, he was slow.

Yet he was still drafted high? I thought he wouldve fell to the 3rd round at earliest after that. Plus he was raw. I just never saw what everyone else saw.

Plus, I generally hate Penn State players. Most of them wash out in the NFL or become JAGs.
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Plus, I generally hate Penn State players. Most of them wash out in the NFL or become JAGs.
While this is mostly true, there have been some notable exceptions lately such as Tamba Hali and Cameron Wake, both who look like stud pass rushers in the NFL and played at PSU.
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Everyone's eyebrows were raised when they took him, especially with Orakpo staring them in the face.

That GM got the knife with Jauron too, right?
We didn't have a GM, per se.
We had more of a 3-headed monster, which consisted of our marketing director, Russ Brandon, scouting director, Tom Modrak, and someone else I'm currently forgetting.

But yeah, the Bills didn't have a GM at this point in time, and fans are still wondering who made the decisions on draft day.
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CC Brown has to be up there on that list if not # 1.
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We didn't raise our eyebrows, we just hung our heads. There was heavy talk of us taking Maybin before the draft, we were all just praying it wouldn't happen.
I hung my head, then had a fit a 2 year old would be proud of... I didnt believe the rumors and whispers before the draft because they sounded obsurd, although draft day my prayers were that "it wouldn't happen"...

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I hated him coming out.
He was a super fast DE but was only 230 lbs.
Then he gets up to 250 lbs for the combine, which is still too light, and runs slow as hell.
So he was basically fast when he was ridiculously undersized, then when he put on weight, he was slow.
Yet he was still drafted high? I thought he wouldve fell to the 3rd round at earliest after that. Plus he was raw. I just never saw what everyone else saw.
Pretty much, a spot on assessment of what actually happened leading up to the draft, I didnt see it either, although I did think he would go at the end of the 1st myself, just based on the potential. The adding weight and slowing down made him useless before the draft, which leads me to this...

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We didn't have a GM, per se.
We had more of a 3-headed monster, which consisted of our marketing director, Russ Brandon, scouting director, Tom Modrak, and someone else I'm currently forgetting.
But yeah, the Bills didn't have a GM at this point in time, and fans are still wondering who made the decisions on draft day.
Brandon is thankfully a full time marketing/administration type now (and a good one), why he touched the personel side of this franchise is beyond reason... Tom Modrak, rumor has it wanted to take Cushing and was over ruled somehow (word on the street, in print, on the air waves and on that intranet thing) by DICK JAURON (might be the guy being forgotten... with good cause). If my memory serves me, Jauron was the one who made the major push for Maybin, and said that was what he needed to make "his" 4-3 defense work. Modrak however has been involved in the drafting process for the Bills for the last decade (not a good one from the draft side) and is still with the team... How he was not fired after drafting Maybin is also mystifying... Really how anyone in the scouting department is around to this day is... There are no words... Orakpo was the obvious choice at that point by 31 other teams and 99% of draftniks with a clue. It pains me to watch him in Washington every sunday... Oher would have also worked at the time...
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Maybin isn't the worst player in the NFL. Heck, at this point, he is ahead of Vernon Gholston in terms of development IMO. The problem with Maybin was that he was a one trick pony. AMAZING first step, but not much past that. Created tape and stats that fooled people.
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If anything, he's the sixth-worst. After all, the Bears have five guys on their O line.
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Is Maybin a starter? Because worst player overall is tougher, lots of scrubs that get only a few plays per season. The worst starter is Nate Kaeding and it's not close.

No Maybin has not started a game his whole career. Whenever he would come in for a few plays, teams would run directly at him and pick up solid yardage. Right now he can't even cut it on special teams which is why he was deactivated for the last game, and will continue to be deactivated. He got beat out by an undrafted free agent.

When he came into the league, he rubbed a lot of fans the wrong way with his lack of production, and then whenever he would make a assist to a tackle (since he never made solo tackles) he we jump around like he won the superbowl. An immature guy that makes it painful to watch when he's on the field.
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hes got a vicious first step...no one has ever accused him of not being explosive. its a shame it sucks though.

picked over orakpo and oher....shame lol, i had maybin going to the browns in the second round
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I just remember being so happy when the Bills took him and then Denver passed on Orakpo. Thanks Bills.
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Who's the better player, Aaron Maybin or Maurice Evans? I see it as a toss-up, not sure who I prefer.
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I hated Maybin.

To be fair though, my favorite DE/OLB of the class was Everette Brown.
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No he isn't, jury is still out.

Bobby Carpenter who's out of fb now I think as far as defensive players who were playing this yr would be my nominee.
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picked over orakpo and oher....shame lol, i had maybin going to the browns in the second round

His first step since getting to the NFL has been terrible.
In the few instances he gets on the field, he is the last one off the ball.
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Well the the head scout wanted Cushing, Dicky wanted Maybin....ooopppsss
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He was a terrible reach where he was picked, selected ahead of guys like Orakpo, Cushing and Matthews......

This my friends is what kills certain franchises. Constant poor decisions like this. The year Maybin was in the draft, I never once mocked him in the 1st round. He was raw, grossly undersized to be even a 3-4 OLB (I read that he was playing around 220 pounds at PSU...)

I laughed at the pick when it was made, and Maybin has done nothing but prove me and the other doubters right. He's Vernon Gholston-Lite at this point.

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I don't understand high picks for pass rushers unless they are absolutely dominant at what they do. Maybin had a nice first step, but he was clearly lacking some hugely important tools, and he didn't have any sort of all around game as a LB to make it up if he was struggling getting to the QB.

Maybin was really fast at one point, and he was 250 pounds at one point. Those two never coincided, which was why it was even more hilarious.

It would be like Chris Johnson running a 4.24 at the combine, then bulking up to 225 for his pro day and everyone saying "He's 225 and runs a 4.24!!!!"

But yea, 3-4 OLBs better be a ridiculous pass rusher if he's going to be lacking in every other area.
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Maybin showing up at 250 showed that his frame could support the extra weight, but he was never asked to demonstrate his explosiveness at that weight, like Saints-Tigers said. Its kind of funny, because the Bills got screwed by assuming he would be as fast at 250 as he was at 220 at Penn State. I think everyone knew he was going to flounder, and it's just further reassurance that there are times when I would rather trust certain members of this board with the future of an NFL franchise then the jackasses that run some of them now.
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Pro sports front offices show me year in and year out that holding a job there is a lot more about who you know as opposed to what you know.

There are literally draft choices every single year that almost all of the guys that are fairly versed in this field can look at and say "that's a waste" and they are correct.

Don't get me wrong, sometimes there are perceived reaches where we all get proved wrong(Tyson Alualu recently?) but I bet a lot of guys here would have a better hit/miss ratio than a good bit of GMs, and that's kind of sad, given how much info they receive.
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