College Gameday Thread: Week 10 - Page 9

LizardState · 11-06-2010, 03:47 PM

Bama with a 4-point lead & flags fall on us.

Comes with the road turf.

Bengals78 · 11-06-2010, 03:47 PM

Ingram's vision is nasty.

BeerBaron · 11-06-2010, 03:49 PM

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Ingram's vision is nasty.

If he had top end speed, he would be the prospect a lot of people think he is. But he's not on the level of a guy like AP and I think it would be foolish to touch him in the top 10-15....we'll see what the actual NFL teams think in a few months.

LizardState · 11-06-2010, 03:49 PM

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They'd have to pay him (gazillions - 1) so no. Despite all of the hand-wringing and talk, no team has ever not paid it's top pick or anything like that.

Plus, there's a chance of the new CBA being done...and with that, reasonable rookie deals.

There will be a special rookie cap, count on it. The teams will point to the down economy & whine even after posting rcd profits.

Wonderbredd, I think the last defensive player to go #1 overall was Mario Williams to the Texans. They paid him a lot but < QBs.

wonderbredd24 · 11-06-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

If he had top end speed, he would be the prospect a lot of people think he is. But he's not on the level of a guy like AP and I think it would be foolish to touch him in the top 10-15....we'll see what the actual NFL teams think in a few months.

But he's 5'10" and extremely powerful. Unlike many power backs, he's not a real big target so he doesn't take the shots a guy like Chris Wells would take and I think that really works in his favor.

Plus, he may not be the fastest guy in the world, but DBs struggle to bring him down anyway.

LizardState · 11-06-2010, 03:51 PM

julio killing peterson on the out patterns now, theyre hard to cover anyway. Miles throws his headset early...

Scotty D · 11-06-2010, 03:52 PM

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julio killing peterson on the out patterns now, theyre hard to cover anyway. Miles throws his headset early...

Peterson wasn't covering him there.

LizardState · 11-06-2010, 03:53 PM

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But he's 5'10" and extremely powerful. Unlike many power backs, he's not a real big target so he doesn't take the shots a guy like Chris Wells would take and I think that really works in his favor.

Plus, he may not be the fastest guy in the world, but DBs struggle to bring him down anyway.

He's from Flint, MI & would love to play for the Lions so he's said but I think like many others that he will be a Patriot..... just b/c their coach will control the early draft as usual & wants him. And Saban is a Bellichick protege'

Bengals78 · 11-06-2010, 03:53 PM

Nevis on LSU looks like Dorsey out there today!

BeerBaron · 11-06-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

But he's 5'10" and extremely powerful. Unlike many power backs, he's not a real big target so he doesn't take the shots a guy like Chris Wells would take and I think that really works in his favor.

Plus, he may not be the fastest guy in the world, but DBs struggle to bring him down anyway.

And that's great in college, but once you get to the pros, defenders also get bigger and stronger across the board. Unless you've got some elite measurables, which he doesn't, it's going to be hard to still put up epic numbers and be great with his style of play.

I think he's a guy who'll have more of a Curtis Martin type of career. Never an elite back, but a guy who can rush for 1000+ every year and be extremely consistent.

But RBs like that just don't get selected high....they really need to bring something amazing to the table like AP or McFadden. Plus with so many committees of RBs and the NFL going more and more pass whacky, it devalues the RB even more.

It'll be interesting to see where he actually ends up. I don't think he touches the top 10 like some would suggest.

wonderbredd24 · 11-06-2010, 03:56 PM

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And that's great in college, but once you get to the pros, defenders also get bigger and stronger across the board. Unless you've got some elite measurables, which he doesn't, it's going to be hard to still put up epic numbers and be great with his style of play.

I think he's a guy who'll have more of a Curtis Martin type of career. Never an elite back, but a guy who can rush for 1000+ every year and be extremely consistent.

But RBs like that just don't get selected high....they really need to bring something amazing to the table like AP or McFadden. Plus with so many committees of RBs and the NFL going more and more pass whacky, it devalues the RB even more.

It'll be interesting to see where he actually ends up. I don't think he touches the top 10 like some would suggest.

I see Emmitt Smith and if he goes to a team that can get him to the second level, he's going to be a nightmare to stop, especially in the 4th quarter when defenses get tired. Ingram is the kind of guy defenders just hate tackling.

I don't buy the argument (not that you are necessarily making it) that the running game is devalued though, because the teams that can run the football and stop the run make the playoffs.

AntoinCD · 11-06-2010, 03:56 PM

If Im a team drafting at the end of the first/start of the second and need a penetrating DT Im looking strongly at Nevis. Everytime I've seen him this year he's been blowing it up

LizardState · 11-06-2010, 03:57 PM

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Peterson wasn't covering him there.

You're right. They are moving Julio where Peterson is not, but don't discount Julio as a decoy.

Hanks is a Bama WR, not Tom Hanks, wasn't he a Tide WR in Forrest Gump <sarcasm>

Babylon · 11-06-2010, 03:59 PM

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You're right. They are moving Julio where Peterson is not, but don't discount Julio as a decoy.

Hanks is a Bama WR, not Tom Hanks, wasn't he a Tide WR in Forrest Gump <sarcasm>

What a mind. Next thing you're going to tell me you remember Major Ogilvie.

LizardState · 11-06-2010, 04:00 PM

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If Im a team drafting at the end of the first/start of the second and need a penetrating DT Im looking strongly at Nevis. Everytime I've seen him this year he's been blowing it up

Drake Nevis, ranked 8th among DTs by Steele, listed 6-1, 292. With a name like Drake he s/b playing for the Quackers :D

BUt serously, he's better than 8th

Babylon · 11-06-2010, 04:01 PM

Nice Husky TD pass called back there.

aLARGEtopHat · 11-06-2010, 04:02 PM

Iowa State is going to beat Nebraska. lol.

LizardState · 11-06-2010, 04:03 PM

LSU drops a 50-yd pass.

lowlife · 11-06-2010, 04:06 PM

If Matthews can go 12th in a strong class, Ingram can go 10-15 in this one.

But obviously it was a unique situation with Chargers needing a back so bad and willing to give up a ton to move up.

BeerBaron · 11-06-2010, 04:09 PM

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If Matthews can go 12th in a strong class, Ingram can go 10-15 in this one.

But obviously it was a unique situation with Chargers needing a back so bad and willing to give up a ton to move up.

It was really their only major need at the time. They were set on starters everywhere else and needed a primary back....so they did what the had to in order to get the class's best back.

And please no one bring up Knowshon...that was the Broncos being ********.

Barring something like that, I don't see Ingram sniffing the top 15. His college production is great, but from a physical tools standpoint, there isn't much seperating him from guys who regularly go in the 2nd or 3rd rounds of drafts.

Babylon · 11-06-2010, 04:09 PM

One thing that freshman Keith Price seems to do better than Jake Locker is scramble. When things break down for Locker he takes off running up the field, Price scrambles to give himself more time to throw. Hope Jake is paying attention.

Babylon · 11-06-2010, 04:11 PM

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It was really their only major need at the time. They were set on starters everywhere else and needed a primary back....so they did what the had to in order to get the class's best back.

And please no one bring up Knowshon...that was the Broncos being ********.

Barring something like that, I don't see Ingram sniffing the top 5. His college production is great, but from a physical tools standpoint, there isn't much seperating him from guys who regularly go in the 2nd or 3rd rounds of drafts.

I think Emmett Smith is a good gauge of where Ingram might go. (17th)

Bengals78 · 11-06-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

It was really their only major need at the time. They were set on starters everywhere else and needed a primary back....so they did what the had to in order to get the class's best back.

And please no one bring up Knowshon...that was the Broncos being ********.

Barring something like that, I don't see Ingram sniffing the top 5. His college production is great, but from a physical tools standpoint, there isn't much seperating him from guys who regularly go in the 2nd or 3rd rounds of drafts.

The only "physical" tool he is missing is top end speed.
He is strong, runs low, amazing lower body strength, amazing vision, doesnt fumble and incredible balance. He doesnt get tripped up often. You have to get him down.

Dont forget, he will get better and bigger in the NFL too.

LizardState · 11-06-2010, 04:19 PM

Ingram only missed 2 games after (arthroscopic) knee surgery too, pros like that minimal missed time a lot.

If the Heisman Committee is gunshy about Newton after the Bush debacle then who else wins?

Stanzi? Luck?

Bengals78 · 11-06-2010, 04:20 PM

Kansas has scored 42 4th quarter points.
42.