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Old 11-13-2010, 10:59 AM    (permalink
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Asking for money even if he didn't take it is against NCAA rules, so he's boned either way
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Lol, however you want to rationalize it bud.
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Sounds like Cam got dad a big check and now dad is trying to repay the favor by pretending that Cam didn't know what was going on.
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yuppers. My thoughts exactly, P-L.
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This is the mentality that people have that lead them to believe that players should be paid, rightly or wrongly.
While I understand the theory behind paying the players, I think the disrespect for the education they are "forced" to get is the part that sort of gets covered up whenever it comes up.

Lets be honest, you go up to any normal person and tell them they can have a full ride at a college and they will be delighted, what's that 35-50k a year they are getting paid effectively? That is money that anyone else at college has to earn to payback and they get it for athletic ability.

I do see some merits to perhaps some kind of payment for players who have extra commitments, say those who have to meet media gets a "bonus" payment but realistically these kids are getting given a scholarship that is worth a ton of money to do something they should enjoy doing.

That said, I very much look at teams/players going under the table on this stuff with about as much interest as I treat MLB or cycling PED stories. Everyone is doing it, if you get caught you are a truly special kind of stupid and deserve the consequences but it wont affect how I think of them as a player in the least.
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Lol, however you want to rationalize it bud.
However you want to rationalize it?

You're getting bent over by shoddy reporting once again (you know, kind of like how this entire "story" has been hilariously bad from an accuracy standpoint from day one). Newton's dad admitted to TALKING about money, he never once said he ASKED for money. Of course, what are ESPN and the talking heads flashing? "CECIL NEWTON ADMITS ASKING FOR MONEY!" Anyone can walk up to a recruit and say "I'll give you 'X' dollars", guess what, you just talked about money whether you asked for it or not.

Could Newton's dad be dirty? Absolutely. The reality however is that unless you are able to find some legitimate proof you are banking on the spoken claims of a guy (Kenny Rogers) who is so full of **** you can smell him from China. I seriously doubt the NCAA will make any serious decision backed off of only his claims.
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The reality however is that unless you are able to find some legitimate proof you are banking on the spoken claims of a guy (Kenny Rogers) who is so full of **** you can smell him from China. I seriously doubt the NCAA will make any serious decision backed off of only his claims.
On the radio this morning, Clay Travis who covers the SEC for Fanhouse stated that Cam Newton will be ruled ineligible. It may not be before the Heisman Trophy Ceremony or even before the National Championship Game, but it is almost a slam dunk that Cam will be ruled ineligible and this entire Auburn season will have been a waste.

I'm hoping Cam doesn't win the Heisman. I would hate to have a second year where there is no official Heisman winner. On the Heisman site it says:

“The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity.”

Hopefully voters will read that second part and vote for someone else who seems to have more integrity. But then again, I seriously doubt most Heisman voters have ever read that sentence.
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On the radio this morning, Clay Travis who covers the SEC for Fanhouse stated that Cam Newton will be ruled ineligible. It may not be before the Heisman Trophy Ceremony or even before the National Championship Game, but it is almost a slam dunk that Cam will be ruled ineligible and this entire Auburn season will have been a waste.
...another guy doing nothing but taking his opinion of unconfirmed information and then spinning it into some sort of "final judgment" based off of a half-assed assessment of NCAA rules.

The NCAA has not once ruled a player ineligible based off of solicitation alone. The joke here is that the school that was supposedly solicited didn't even end up signing Newton.

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...another guy doing nothing but taking his opinion of unconfirmed information and then spinning it into some sort of "final judgment" based off of a half-assed assessment of NCAA rules.

The NCAA has not once ruled a player ineligible based off of solicitation alone. The joke here is that the school that was supposedly solicited didn't even end up signing Newton.
Actually, Cecil Newton has admitted to asking for money. It is not proven whether or not any money actually exchanged hands, but he did ask for money. He says neither Cam nor his wife knew about it, but that doesn't matter. If he is acting on behalf of his son, that is against the rules and Cam will be ineligible.
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Actually, Cecil Newton has admitted to asking for money.
No, he absolutely has not. He has admitted to talking about money, which is absolutely different than admitting to asking for money.

You think this is the first time the NCAA has investigated a case where a family member of a recruit was talking money? I can guarantee you that this happens on the regular, it is inevitable, and this is the reason why no player has ever been ruled ineligible based off of solicitation alone.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5...sking-for-cash

Reports are he did more than talk. And if he truly only talked about cash, from the very beginning, he would have said something like this: "Yes, representatives from Mississippi State and other schools brought up the issue of money for Cam. I never asked for money and I declined to take any that was offered. End of story."
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Clay Travis' entire premise is in fact hilarious. If he (a random sports journalist) has enough proof to say that it is a "slam dunk" that Newton is ineligible, then why on earth would the NCAA wait until after the Heisman ceremony and even after the Championship Game to rule him ineligible considering that they surely have a better understanding of the situation than Travis has? Surely if the proof is that obvious then the NCAA already has it and the ruling would be made immediately so as to get the Heisman into the hands of a deserving candidate and the MNC in the hands of a deserving team. Nothing would look worse than Newton being given the Heisman, Auburn winning the MNC, and then the NCAA ruling him ineligible a week later.

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"Yes, representatives from Mississippi State and other schools brought up the issue of money for Cam. I never asked for money and I declined to take any that was offered. End of story."
NO representative of ANY school brought the issue of money up. The money was brought up by a highly shady agent who has already been under investigation by the NFL. No one directly associated with football operations at MSU offered any money. Bob Stoops at Oklahoma says they weren't asked for money when they recruited Newton. Same goes for Lane Kiffin who recruited Newton at Tennessee.

So what? Cecil Newton really only wanted the money from MSU? Is their money worth more than everyone else's or something?
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The Reggie Bush case was a slam dunk too. Everybody knew that Reggie Bush and his family were getting paid huge money How long did the NCAA take with that case? Four or Five years? The same thing might happen with Newton.

And Okay, nobody from MSU offered money. So change it to "Yes, Kenny Rodgers brought up the issue of money for Cam." It doesn't make a difference. The fact is that at the beginning of theis whole thing, Cecil Newton said nothing of the sort.

The reason only MSU is being talked about is probably because they were the favorites from the beginning. Their quarterback situation was a mess, Newton's former coach was there. Oklahoma was never even close to getting Newton. Other schools would not risk breaking rules if they had little to no chance of signing a guy.
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I'd like to remind you how this whole thing started. Dan Mullen (MSU Coach/OC at Florida when Newton was there) started these allegations (defamation of Cam Newton) right before MSU was set to play Auburn after he was urged by Urban Meyer to do so. If they actually had a case for this, why wait until right before he is set to play your team? Do it 3 weeks before so you know he is ineligible by the time Auburn comes to town. The entire thing has been pure libel from the standpoint of these scumbags throwing every possible allegation at Cam Newton hoping one sticks.

Now if he is ruled ineligible by the NCAA (one of the slowest working organizations ever) before the NC I'll be surprised. I personally don't see anything written that seems all that conclusive at this point, so it won't happen in my opinion. I hope Cam Newton sues Mullen/whoever leaked the story for defamation. I think he has a really good case, especially if he is forced to go out early and doesn't go in the first round "because of this"
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I'd like to remind you how this whole thing started. Dan Mullen (MSU Coach/OC at Florida when Newton was there) started these allegations (defamation of Cam Newton) right before MSU was set to play Auburn after he was urged by Urban Meyer to do so. If they actually had a case for this, why wait until right before he is set to play your team? Do it 3 weeks before so you know he is ineligible by the time Auburn comes to town. The entire thing has been pure libel from the standpoint of these scumbags throwing every possible allegation at Cam Newton hoping one sticks.

Now if he is ruled ineligible by the NCAA (one of the slowest working organizations ever) before the NC I'll be surprised. I personally don't see anything written that seems all that conclusive at this point, so it won't happen in my opinion. I hope Cam Newton sues Mullen/whoever leaked the story for defamation. I think he has a really good case, especially if he is forced to go out early and doesn't go in the first round "because of this"
I didn't realize the SEC played in July, which is when this investigation began. Maybe that is why they can get away with playing Chattanooga, Jacksonville State, and Georgia State
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I didn't realize the SEC played in July, which is when this investigation began. Maybe that is why they can get away with playing Chattanooga, Jacksonville State, and Georgia State
where do you say you got this from?
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where do you say you got this from?
Mississippi State reported this whole issue in January. The NCAA picked it up and started investigating in July.

A simple google search will get you there... you can decide which source(s) you find credible.
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ncaa is supposed to give a statement anywhere from wed-fri. im thinking theyre going to say he's clear and good to go.

kenny rogers is also getting interviewed by the ncaa right now as i type this.
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If Mike Slive had any nads at all this already would've been settled since the SEC has stricter rules on this situation than the NCAA does. But he probably doesn't want to set a precedent.
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the stuff ESPN is scrolling does not sound good...

Gives the impression that Cecil Newton knew exactly what he was doing and used a middle man for the sake of being able to say he was not the one specifically asking for the money. I don't think that is going to work
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the stuff ESPN is scrolling does not sound good...

Gives the impression that Cecil Newton knew exactly what he was doing and used a middle man for the sake of being able to say he was not the one specifically asking for the money. I don't think that is going to work
Here you go. The guy is toast. I think Auburn is toast.

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Unless this guy can actually show the text from his "water-damaged" phone then I don't think this should mean too much, or that the text was actually from Newtons father
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Unless this guy can actually show the text from his "water-damaged" phone then I don't think this should mean too much, or that the text was actually from Newtons father
Text messages supposedly exist for several years... seems like a simple call to the phone's company would clear that up in a hurry.

If the NCAA looks at this like criminal law where Newton has to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, he might have a shot at beating this. However, if it is merely establishing guilt based on the preponderance of evidence like in civil court (far more likely in my opinion), then Cameron Newton is completely and totally boned. Whether that happens now or a year from now, it is likely to happen. But if it happens after what would be a meaningless title game that another qualified team could have gone to, that would be an absolute shame.
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all im going to do is lol aand wait til this is over. this is nothing new on what ive heard since last week.
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