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View Poll Results: Who's gonna be the best of these QB's when all is said and done?
Josh Freeman, Bucs 59 15.05%
Matthew Stafford, Lions 126 32.14%
Sam Bradford, Rams 76 19.39%
Mark Sanchez, Jets 19 4.85%
Joe Flacco, Ravens 33 8.42%
Matt Ryan, Falcons 79 20.15%
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Flacco's 2nd season:

In 16 games, 315/499 (63.1% ) for 3613 yards (7.2 avg.) and 21 TDs/ 12 INTs = 88.9 rating

Ryan's 2nd season:

In 14 games, 263/451 (58.3% ) for 2916 yards (6.5 avg.) and 22 TDs/ 14 INTs = 80.9 rating

Freeman's 2nd season:

In 16 games, 291/474 (61.4% ) for 3451 yards (7.3 avg.) and 25 TDs/ 6 INTs = 95.9 rating

Sanchez's 2nd season:

In 15 games, 278/507 (54.8% ) for 3291 yards (6.5 avg.) and 17 TDs/ 13 INTs = 75.3 rating


For sh!tzingiggles

P. Manning's 2nd season:

In 16 games, 331/533 (62.1% ) for 4135 yards (7.8 avg.) and 26 TDs/ 15 INTs = 90.7 rating
*Matt Ryan was injured for most of his second season.
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Ryan had a turf toe injury in Late November, IIRC. LINK

How is that most of his season? Was there something else?

Freeman had a fractured thumb on his throwing hand to begin his 2nd season.

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Ryan had a turf toe injury in Late November, IIRC. LINK

How is that most of his season? Was there something else?

Freeman had a fractured thumb on his throwing hand to begin his 2nd season.

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He returned before it healed. I don't think it had time to heal until the off-season. Even Matty Ice can't be cool under pressure when you can't move without pain.

Oh and when he returned, Michael Turner was out for the season.
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Gotcha. Thank you, sir.
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He returned before it healed. I don't think it had time to heal until the off-season. Even Matty Ice can't be cool under pressure when you can't move without pain.

Oh and when he returned, Michael Turner was out for the season.
Yes. Matt returned early because he wanted to get us the B2B winning seasons.
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Flacco's 2nd season:

In 16 games, 315/499 (63.1% ) for 3613 yards (7.2 avg.) and 21 TDs/ 12 INTs = 88.9 rating

Ryan's 2nd season:

In 14 games, 263/451 (58.3% ) for 2916 yards (6.5 avg.) and 22 TDs/ 14 INTs = 80.9 rating

Freeman's 2nd season:

In 16 games, 291/474 (61.4% ) for 3451 yards (7.3 avg.) and 25 TDs/ 6 INTs = 95.9 rating

Sanchez's 2nd season:

In 15 games, 278/507 (54.8% ) for 3291 yards (6.5 avg.) and 17 TDs/ 13 INTs = 75.3 rating
That's pretty good stuff. I can't wait to get to see Freeman next year. What 2 divisions do the Bucs go against, if there's a season? I like Freeman and can root for him, I just hate Blount.

The thing about the one great year is this: there have been many cases where an NFL QB has one really good season, but never matches it again... Derek Anderson actually looked good in 2007.

Leinart's rookie season was decent. Didn't Tim Couch lead the Browns to the playoffs early in his career?

I hate to do it, but I have to point this out in defense of Freeman: the dude is 1-0 in the NFL versus Aaron Rodgers & the Packers head-to-head.

Forget everything else: That pretty much puts Freeman #1 on this list. :)
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Bucs play NFC North and AFC South next year. And Derek Anderson had 19 ints in his big season unlike Freechise.
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Bucs play NFC North and AFC South next year. And Derek Anderson had 19 ints in his big season unlike Freechise.
Derek Anderson's big year was also a less than 60% completion percentage. That is a horrible comparison. If you watch Freeman, listen to him, his poise and work ethic and talent alone just speaks volumes of a franchise QB. Field general that was the leader of the youngest team in the league at 22 years old is unheard of. He just has "it". I only see improvements, not decline.
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Sheer luck buoyed Mark Sanchez's stats.

New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez showed notable growth in his sophomore season, flipping his touchdown-to-interception ratio from deplorable to dependable.

As a rookie, he threw 12 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. Last season, he recorded 17 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. His passer rating increased 12.3 points. Mark Sanchez's interception rate dropped last season --but a closer examination of the numbers shows he was also really lucky. Numbers often can be misleading. Randomness aided Sanchez considerably. Football Outsiders game-by-game research concluded Sanchez led the NFL --by far --in dropped interceptions. Sanchez had 15 of them, three times as many as his rookie season. He had six more dropped interceptions last year than the closest quarterbacks, Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning. Sanchez made 507 pass attempts, far fewer than Palmer (586) or Manning (679). Sanchez threw an interception or had one dropped on 5.5 percent of his throws.

His combination of interceptions and drops were lower as a rookie. Only five of them were dropped for a total of 25, but they accounted for 6.9 percent of his 364 attempts. Football Outsiders' criteria to determine a drop: "We don't mean a defender sort of near the play, or guys who dive and see interceptions go off their fingertips. We mean guys who dropped balls that hit them right in the hands or chest." The other three AFC East starters added together didn't have as many dropped interceptions as Sanchez. New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady won the MVP award in large part for his absurdly low interception percentage. He threw four all season and none over the past 11 regular-season games. Only five of his 492 attempts were dropped.

Even if all of Brady's misfires had been caught by defenders, he would have posted a respectable 1.8 interception percentage. Buffalo Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick had 15 interceptions and six more of them dropped on 441 attempts, or 4.8 percent. Fitzpatrick's predecessor, Trent Edwards, had some of the NFL's worst numbers. Edwards passed 101 times for the Bills and Jacksonville Jaguars. Five of them were intercepted. Three more would-be interceptions were dropped. That's 7.9 percent of his passes earmarked for the opponent. Chad Henne was Mr. Tough Luck. He led the AFC East and was tied for fourth in the league with 19 interceptions, but only one was dropped. So of all interceptable passes he threw, defenses snagged 95 percent of them.
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Freeman is no where near a elite QB.. Don't even start saying he should be mentioned in the class off Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers and Rivers.

Just the fact you have Rivers and Brees below Freeman shows you know nothing when it comes to football.
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Freeman is no where near a elite QB.. Don't even start saying he should be mentioned in the class off Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers and Rivers.

Just the fact you have Rivers and Brees below Freeman shows you know nothing when it comes to football.
Eh, people on this board and in the media didn't hesitate to do it for Carson Palmer, and I have no doubts they'll do it again if Matt Stafford ever decides to stay healthy and produces at a level similar to what Freeman did last year.
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Eh, people on this board and in the media didn't hesitate to do it for Carson Palmer, and I have no doubts they'll do it again if Matt Stafford ever decides to stay healthy and produces at a level similar to what Freeman did last year.
not saying he doesn't have the potential to be one, just saying don't crown him after one season..
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Eh, people on this board and in the media didn't hesitate to do it for Carson Palmer, and I have no doubts they'll do it again if Matt Stafford ever decides to stay healthy and produces at a level similar to what Freeman did last year.
they've already done it for Freeman.
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As a Bucs fan, I for one would not put Freeman in the class of Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees, or Rodgers, or even Roethlisbuerger. Those guys are in their own class right now through experience.

Now does Freeman have the potential to be up there in the next few seasons? Absolutely. The man is dedicated and works his @$$ off. He is a natural born leader who has organized his own OTAs this offseason at local colleges and high schools. He's been working out, watching and breaking down film of 2011 opponents, and throwing to WRs since the week after the Super Bowl. He's on a mission to be great and wants to win championships. I can't see how he won't be a top 5 QB someday with all that talent, work ethic and dedication.

However to put him in the class of those 6 Qbs is a bit too early after he's only started 25 games.
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I am also a Bucs fan, but I think the Freeman hype is all a bit much at this point.
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If Freeman only plays in the NFL for two years is he still the GOAT?
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I am also a Bucs fan, but I think the Freeman hype is all a bit much at this point.
People are just excited that's all. Hopefully last season wasn't a fluke and he builds off of that success for a long time.
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People are just excited that's all. Hopefully last season wasn't a fluke and he builds off of that success for a long time.
I agree, hey I'm excited too, the kids shows promise that Buc fans have never seen before at the QB position. However, I think we all need to settle down and stop claiming how "elite" Freeman is. He had a great year, and hopefully there are many more to come. If there are everything else will take care of itself.
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Eh, people on this board and in the media didn't hesitate to do it for Carson Palmer, and I have no doubts they'll do it again if Matt Stafford ever decides to stay healthy and produces at a level similar to what Freeman did last year.
To be fair though, at the time, QBing was much worse overall than it is today. You basically had Manning and Brady, and then a slew of guys who, in today's league, would be rounding out the top 10. There was no Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, Ben to even come close to challenging Manning and Brady in the top 2. Saying Carson Palmer was 3rd best in the league just meant saying he was better than McNabb and old Favre.
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Seeing all these young QB's with great futures ahead makes me wanna say **** YOU Chad Henne you piece of horse ****. **** YOU! You damn ninja robot. Why couldnt you be like these other young gunslingers?????? Damn this stupid Marino curse.
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To be fair though, at the time, QBing was much worse overall than it is today. You basically had Manning and Brady, and then a slew of guys who, in today's league, would be rounding out the top 10. There was no Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, Ben to even come close to challenging Manning and Brady in the top 2. Saying Carson Palmer was 3rd best in the league just meant saying he was better than McNabb and old Favre.
That's a very valid point. And it goes back to my chicken/egg question: are the quarterbacks playing now really that much better or more talented than their predecessors earlier in the past (or even from earlier in this decade)? Or is playing quarterback just way, way easier than ever before?

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Seeing all these young QB's with great futures ahead makes me wanna say **** YOU Chad Henne you piece of horse ****. **** YOU! You damn ninja robot. Why couldnt you be like these other young gunslingers?????? Damn this stupid Marino curse.
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Chad Henne was Mr. Tough Luck. He led the AFC East and was tied for fourth in the league with 19 interceptions, but only one was dropped. So of all interceptable passes he threw, defenses snagged 95 percent of them.
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Sanchez led the NFL -- by far -- in dropped interceptions.

Someone brought this up yesterday...

Sanchez had 15 of them, three times as many as his rookie season. He had six more dropped interceptions last year than the closest quarterbacks, Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.
Take it FWIW. Henne and Sanchez were on polar opposite ends of the "luck" spectrum.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post...sanchezs-stats
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It was so frustrating watching half of Eli's INTs go right through his WR's hands and into a DB. So frustrating.

But to get back on topic, I really think Sanchez is becoming underrated. The guy played the postseason with a bad shoulder and still played very well.

And he has playoff success and made late game comebacks both in the regular season and playoffs.

So let's break it down.

Makes comebacks? Check
Elevates his game in the playoffs? Check
Wins in the playoffs? Check
Wins period? Check
Is improving each year? Check


Why is he this terrible quarterback? He's a young developing quarterback who is only now starting to have as many years starting at qb as some of these other young qbs, and has had more success than all of them combined and is improving with each year yet he's trash?
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He's been underrated. He's basically an afterthought in this thread right now, and many people seem to think he kinda sucks.

I have little worries about this because by the end of year 3 I expect we'll see alot more people d-riding the crap out of him.

Also, Lol @ that article...While I'm 100% sure that Mark Sanchez was a little lucky at times last year, I'm also sure that one years worth of one number isn't all that significant.
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That's a very valid point. And it goes back to my chicken/egg question: are the quarterbacks playing now really that much better or more talented than their predecessors earlier in the past (or even from earlier in this decade)? Or is playing quarterback just way, way easier than ever before?

Take it FWIW. Henne and Sanchez were on polar opposite ends of the "luck" spectrum.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post...sanchezs-stats
Hmm....Sanchez....WR drop interceptions....hmm....

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