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View Poll Results: Who's gonna be the best of these QB's when all is said and done?
Josh Freeman, Bucs 59 15.05%
Matthew Stafford, Lions 126 32.14%
Sam Bradford, Rams 76 19.39%
Mark Sanchez, Jets 19 4.85%
Joe Flacco, Ravens 33 8.42%
Matt Ryan, Falcons 79 20.15%
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Old 11-06-2010, 10:55 PM    (permalink
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False, you can not be an "MVP candidate" when you have a 0% shot of winning the damn award.
Shhhh. There's a party on the Freeman bandwagon. Everyone is welcome to jump aboard, there's still plenty of room.

This week's game against ATL is worrisome, though. They're so beastly in the Gerogia Dome.
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Ok come on guys, who voted for Dirty Sanchez.
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I voted Stafford, but I do really like what I'm seeing from Freeman. To rank them:

Stafford
Freeman
Bradford
Ryan
Sanchez
Flacco

I think all 6 are gonna be very good QBs.
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Shhhh. There's a party on the Freeman bandwagon. Everyone is welcome to jump aboard, there's still plenty of room.

This week's game against ATL is worrisome, though. They're so beastly in the Gerogia Dome.
I think Ryan is undefeated at home vs NFC teams right, or wait, one loss in his career I believe.

Hopefully another one on Nov 28th.
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Could have just watched him back at BC to figure that one out. Kid was the entire team and threw the ball like 80 times a game and everyone he played against knew it...

And yeah, I voted Stafford, kid is a monster, has Calvin Johnson and what looks to be a pretty legit team coming together as long as Schwartz and his staff stick around to build a contender. Get him some more protection prease.

I'd probably rank them like this, I guess...

1. Stafford
2. Bradford
3. Sanchez
4. Flacco
5. Freeman
6. Ryan

I just don't see anything special about Ryan or Flacco, they're both above average starters but I think thats all they'll ever be which is fine. Freeman, at best I see a slightly worse version of Steve McNair in his prime. Sanchez I just think hes a gamer and with the Jets and their team they'll do great things. Bradford, I didn't really want to rank him anywhere to be quite honest, its based purely off of him as a prospect since I haven't seen him at all this year, but based on everything I've seen from writers, game reviews, etc. give the kid aaaaanything to throw to other than Amendola underneath and lets see how he does.
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1. Bradford
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3. Stafford tie
3. Freeman tie
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7. Henne
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Could have just watched him back at BC to figure that one out. Kid was the entire team and threw the ball like 80 times a game and everyone he played against knew it...

And yeah, I voted Stafford, kid is a monster, has Calvin Johnson and what looks to be a pretty legit team coming together as long as Schwartz and his staff stick around to build a contender. Get him some more protection prease.

I'd probably rank them like this, I guess...

1. Stafford
2. Bradford
3. Sanchez
4. Flacco
5. Freeman
6. Ryan

I just don't see anything special about Ryan or Flacco, they're both above average starters but I think thats all they'll ever be which is fine. Freeman, at best I see a slightly worse version of Steve McNair in his prime. Sanchez I just think hes a gamer and with the Jets and their team they'll do great things. Bradford, I didn't really want to rank him anywhere to be quite honest, its based purely off of him as a prospect since I haven't seen him at all this year, but based on everything I've seen from writers, game reviews, etc. give the kid aaaaanything to throw to other than Amendola underneath and lets see how he does.
Freeman, at this point, is where McNair was seven or eight years into his career. He's light year's ahead of him as a passer in similar stages of their development.

I'm still sticking with my black Ben Roethlisberger comparison.

I don't understand how people can say any of the other guys have more potential either (at least from a skillset standpoint). Freeman is bigger, faster, stronger, has more escapability and improvisational skills, and a stronger arm than any of them.
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Freeman, at this point, is where McNair was seven or eight years into his career. He's light year's ahead of him as a passer in similar stages of their development.

I'm still sticking with my black Ben Roethlisberger comparison.

I don't understand how people can say any of the other guys have more potential either (at least from a skillset standpoint). Freeman is bigger, faster, stronger, has more escapability and improvisational skills, and a stronger arm than any of them.
Thats why I said prime; and in Tampa I don't see him developing into a much better player than he already is, especially if he has to play teams that aren't terrible on a more frequent basis than he is now.

He isnt lighting the world on fire statistically, and I'll gladly eat crow if he winds up becoming a perennial all-star quarter back considering I go to at least on Tampa game a year and they're probably my #2 team based on family alone. I just see a guy who is hot right now with a winning team like Sanchez was earlier in the season, and now he's cooled off a bit coming off of a loss and a couple of sub-par/mediocre games. Fortunately, the Bucs' remaining schedule looks pretty easy depending on your opinion of some of the teams on it (Atl, Was & Sea).
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Dude, come on. McNair was an incredibly late bloomer. As a passer, he was incredibly average until the 2000s. I know passer rating isn't the end-all, be-all, but the dude was a ~75 rating guy, had very low completion percentages, and didn't have more than 15 touchdowns in a season until 2001.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the guy and he was a helluva football player, but McNair rode Eddie George and an incredible defense for his early years.
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To put current Freeman on McNair's level 7-8 years into McNair's career isn't something I agree with. He was a co-MVP at year 9.

Yeah, McNair was a late bloomer. He sat for pretty much his entire rookie season (which he had a 81.7 QB rating over the final 4 games) and only started 9 games his sophomore season (where he had a 90.6 QB rating in 9 games). His first season starting he had a 70.4 QB rating, and it was all up from there. The guy had a <80 QB rating 4 times in his 13 year career ('97-'98, '99-'00, '04-'05, and '07-'08 ), and 3 of those were injury riddled years. And as it stands, McNair's sophomore season QB rating > Freeman's sophomore season QB rating.

Freeman, in year 2, could very well be ahead of McNair's year 2, but that's not what I have an issue with. There's no way current Josh Freeman deserves to be in the same sentence as Air McNair in his prime. And while Eddie and the defense were awesome, why did McNair win co-MVP honors? He was the guy who made it all work.

Maybe one day, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. He's having a good season and is showing signs of being a franchise QB for the Bucs for years to come. But to say he's where McNair was circa-2002 is crazy. The guy was a Pro Bowler in 2000, had a Super Bowl run before then, and was MVP a year later.

And again, I'm not saying he won't be or can't be. It's just that he's not there yet. I think you're going on your own projections and stating those as if they are already reality. He's on his way. Just isn't there yet.
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Freeman, at this point, is where McNair was seven or eight years into his career. He's light year's ahead of him as a passer in similar stages of their development.

I'm still sticking with my black Ben Roethlisberger comparison.

I don't understand how people can say any of the other guys have more potential either (at least from a skillset standpoint). Freeman is bigger, faster, stronger, has more escapability and improvisational skills, and a stronger arm than any of them.
I usually agree with you on most things, but I'd feel confident in saying Flacco and Stafford both have stronger arms then Freeman, at least from everything I've seen. Freeman can make every throw required, but Flacco can make some SPECIAL throws and Stafford has about as strong of an arm as you will find in the NFL.
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I usually agree with you on most things, but I'd feel confident in saying Flacco and Stafford both have stronger arms then Freeman, at least from everything I've seen. Freeman can make every throw required, but Flacco can make some SPECIAL throws and Stafford has about as strong of an arm as you will find in the NFL.
In terms of arm power I'd put him level with those two. I mean it's splitting hairs really.
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I usually agree with you on most things, but I'd feel confident in saying Flacco and Stafford both have stronger arms then Freeman, at least from everything I've seen. Freeman can make every throw required, but Flacco can make some SPECIAL throws and Stafford has about as strong of an arm as you will find in the NFL.
Have you seen Freeman's throw to set up the game winning FG against the Bengals? Thats about as special a throw that you can make.
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Great topic.

It's so ******* close. All of them are good right now, and all of them have the potential to be great. The players/coaches around them will be huge factors as well obviously.

I'm EXTREMELY surprised so many people voted for Stafford.

Here's how I'd predict their careers to unfold:

1 - Sam Bradford: Incredibly accurate, already mature, and you have to project they'll get him some better weapons.

2 - Mark Sanchez: He should be a senior at USC right now. He's going to get better. Easy to hate because of the NYJ culture but he's only going to get better.

3 - Matt Ryan: Flacco/Ryan will be an awesome debate for the next 10 years.
4 - Joe Flacco: Ryan by a hair on Whitehurst's beard.

5 - Josh Freeman: He looks ******* awesome right now. Who knows.

6 - Matt Stafford: He's shown signs, but everyone else on this list has shown more. Jury is still out. Definitely the riskiest option because of his constant injury problems and the fact that we just haven't seen much yet.

I could see ALL OF THEM starting and winning playoff games for their teams in the upcoming years. So by no means do I think Stafford will be a bust.
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I don't understand how people can say any of the other guys have more potential either (at least from a skillset standpoint). Freeman is bigger, faster, stronger, has more escapability and improvisational skills, and a stronger arm than any of them.
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Great topic.

It's so ******* close. All of them are good right now, and all of them have the potential to be great. The players/coaches around them will be huge factors as well obviously.

I'm EXTREMELY surprised so many people voted for Stafford.

Here's how I'd predict their careers to unfold:

1 - Sam Bradford: Incredibly accurate, already mature, and you have to project they'll get him some better weapons.

2 - Mark Sanchez: He should be a senior at USC right now. He's going to get better. Easy to hate because of the NYJ culture but he's only going to get better.

3 - Matt Ryan: Flacco/Ryan will be an awesome debate for the next 10 years.
4 - Joe Flacco: Ryan by a hair on Whitehurst's beard.

5 - Josh Freeman: He looks ******* awesome right now. Who knows.

6 - Matt Stafford: He's shown signs, but everyone else on this list has shown more. Jury is still out. Definitely the riskiest option because of his constant injury problems and the fact that we just haven't seen much yet.

I could see ALL OF THEM starting and winning playoff games for their teams in the upcoming years. So by no means do I think Stafford will be a bust.
Did he get held back? I agree that's where he is at development wise, lol.

Anyway, I'd go Stafford first pretty easy, and the rest is muddled, but I think Ryan, Flacco, and Freeman would be my next 3.
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THANKS, I know I am intrigued by it for sure, all these guys could have great careers ahead!


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It's so ******* close. All of them are good right now, and all of them have the potential to be great. The players/coaches around them will be huge factors as well obviously.

I'm EXTREMELY surprised so many people voted for Stafford.
Me too!

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Here's how I'd predict their careers to unfold:

1 - Sam Bradford: Incredibly accurate, already mature, and you have to project they'll get him some better weapons.

2 - Mark Sanchez: He should be a senior at USC right now. He's going to get better. Easy to hate because of the NYJ culture but he's only going to get better.

3 - Matt Ryan: Flacco/Ryan will be an awesome debate for the next 10 years.
4 - Joe Flacco: Ryan by a hair on Whitehurst's beard.

5 - Josh Freeman: He looks ******* awesome right now. Who knows.

6 - Matt Stafford: He's shown signs, but everyone else on this list has shown more. Jury is still out. Definitely the riskiest option because of his constant injury problems and the fact that we just haven't seen much yet.

I could see ALL OF THEM starting and winning playoff games for their teams in the upcoming years. So by no means do I think Stafford will be a bust.
Heck, I can see any of them in any order, but Stafford almost has too good of a deck there with Calvin, Pettigrew & Scheff, and Jahvid Best there... unless injuries, I can't see him worst of this bunch otherwise.
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MATT RYAN vs JOSH FREEMAN today: I'll post this in the week 9 thread as well, but here's something to chew on:

Matt Ryan has a 16-1 record in the Georgia Dome and the Falcons have averaged 28.4 points in those games.

However, he has an average passer rating of 61.0 in four career games against the Bucs, throwing six interceptions with only two touchdowns. He has also been sacked six times.

Plus, the Bucs lead the NFL with 14 interceptions this season, led by Aqib Talib’s five picks.
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I have a feeling Ryan will play good today, but not great. I could see him with 200-225 passing yards and like 2 TD and a pick.
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I'd hazard a guess that this would be about right. I'm more concerned about your running game to be honest.
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I'd hazard a guess that this would be about right. I'm more concerned about your running game to be honest.
Agree Caddy. Tampa has the worst run defense in the NFL. The Falcons will look to pound the ball early then open up some PA passes. As much as I love the Bucs and want them to win, reality tells me Atlanta wins this because the Bucs are just too young and not good up front against the run.
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I voted for Josh Freeman.. to me it was tough between Stafford, Matty Ice, & Freeman (favorite QB prospects past few years).. But I remember I pulled for the Jets in the draft to wait for Freeman.. I just like his upside, right up there with Stafford for me
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118 Votes wow.
I wonder how different the results would have been in Stafford's Lions were blanked last week and Sanchez threw 4 TD passes.

3-4 weeks ago, I bet the Sanchez & Stafford results would have been a bit closer.

Chad Henne or Colt McCoy?
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