|
|
| Pro Football Discuss professional football. |
|
View Poll Results: Who's gonna be the best of these QB's when all is said and done?
|
|
Josh Freeman, Bucs
|
 
|
59 |
15.17% |
|
Matthew Stafford, Lions
|
 
|
125 |
32.13% |
|
Sam Bradford, Rams
|
 
|
76 |
19.54% |
|
Mark Sanchez, Jets
|
 
|
19 |
4.88% |
|
Joe Flacco, Ravens
|
 
|
32 |
8.23% |
|
Matt Ryan, Falcons
|
 
|
78 |
20.05% |
09-16-2012, 07:04 PM
|
(permalink)
|
|
All-Pro
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,365
Reputation: 1300031
|
If we're taking a quarterback TODAY then I'm taking Stafford.
|
|
|
|   Sponsored Advertisement |
|   Remove Ads By Signing Up for an Account! |
|
09-16-2012, 07:06 PM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Pro Bowler
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,067
Reputation: 60847
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thecollegedropout
Sanchez really is no different than Freeman in the regular season and has to play through much tougher climates than Freeman does...and add the postseason success and Sanchez has to at the very least be right there with Freeman on any list(I like Sanchez more than Freeman)
|
To be fair, Freeman has not had any weapons to work with. Went 10-6 in 2010 with a below average coaching staff, 2 Rookie WRs, and a horrid defense and still threw for 3400 yards 25 tds and 6 ints completing 61% of his passes. I've been Freeman's biggest critic, but when you watch last year, he still completed 64 % of his passes. Yes it wasn't good, but the whole team and staff didn't do squat.
I hate to go to this situation because yes, I'll get criticized because I'm a Bucs fan, but Sanchez, for the past 3 years, clearly had the better team around him and hasn't done squat.
This year, Freeman's got some weapons and a better staff. Still adjusting to a new system, but clearly, if you've watched him, already looks very good.
And don't give me post-season success. It's not like he played well either. If he did, the Jets would be in the Super Bowl. I mean Trent Dilfer won a ring and no one thinks he's better than the guys that played in his ERA who didnt.
|
|
|
09-16-2012, 07:11 PM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Suck it Metsox
Legend
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: God blessed Texas
Posts: 20,166
Reputation: 3240965
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogs
If we're taking a quarterback TODAY then I'm taking Stafford.
|
Correct, but i wouldn't necessarily be disappointed to end up with my choice of Newton, RG3 or Luck.
|
|
|
09-16-2012, 07:18 PM
|
(permalink)
|
|
All-Pro
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Missouri
Posts: 7,874
Reputation: 457497
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bucfan12
One thing I'll say this and I hope everyone can agree:
-Stafford
-Flacco
-Ryan
-Freeman
-RGIII
-Luck
-Newton
- Possibly Bradford? (He's making some solid progress so far in year 3)
This league has some VERY GOOD young QBs. I like it. More competition in this league and very few bottom feed teams and qbs.
|
Freeman over RG3 and Luck?
__________________
|
|
|
09-16-2012, 07:20 PM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Suck it Metsox
Legend
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: God blessed Texas
Posts: 20,166
Reputation: 3240965
|
I don't think he's listing them in any particular order, just naming the guys that are young and good right now.
|
|
|
09-16-2012, 08:49 PM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Pro Bowler
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,067
Reputation: 60847
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by holt_bruce81
Freeman over RG3 and Luck?
|
This was not a rankings. Listing the qbs. Notice how I don't number any of them? Sheesh.
|
|
|
09-16-2012, 09:05 PM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Pro Bowler
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,067
Reputation: 60847
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by MetSox17
I don't think he's listing them in any particular order, just naming the guys that are young and good right now.
|
Thank you.
|
|
|
09-16-2012, 09:52 PM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 919
Reputation: 40678
|
Bradford was a beast today. One bad pass when he didn't see MLB Fletcher b/c Fletcher was hidden behind another player in the endzone. Other than that, pretty flawless game.
Also, RG3, wow. He single handed kept the Redskins in the game.
|
|
|
09-16-2012, 11:44 PM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Team Leader
All-NFLDC
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 13,917
Reputation: 1266939
|
Stafford looks off. He isn't clicking like he did last year. I'm not too worried yet but its concerning.
__________________
sig by BoneKrusher
|
|
|
09-16-2012, 11:47 PM
|
(permalink)
|
|
All-Pro
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: anaheim - home of the...ducks?
Posts: 9,958
Reputation: 294357
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by armageddon
Bradford was a beast today. One bad pass when he didn't see MLB Fletcher b/c Fletcher was hidden behind another player in the endzone. Other than that, pretty flawless game.
Also, RG3, wow. He single handed kept the Redskins in the game.
|
That's typically the quarterback's job.
|
|
|
09-16-2012, 11:51 PM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Suck it Metsox
Legend
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: God blessed Texas
Posts: 20,166
Reputation: 3240965
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by soybean
That's typically the quarterback's job.
|
And yet only a handful can do it.
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 12:49 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 919
Reputation: 40678
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by soybean
That's typically the quarterback's job.
|
Throwing 1 TD, running for 2 TD's and scrambling for 1st downs like he does isn't typical. The kid is special.
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 12:54 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
All-Pro
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Missouri
Posts: 7,874
Reputation: 457497
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by soybean
That's typically the quarterback's job.
|
Unless you're the Texans.
__________________
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 06:00 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Pro Bowler
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,067
Reputation: 60847
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by armageddon
Bradford was a beast today. One bad pass when he didn't see MLB Fletcher b/c Fletcher was hidden behind another player in the endzone. Other than that, pretty flawless game.
Also, RG3, wow. He single handed kept the Redskins in the game.
|
Bradford played extremely well but for me to change my mind about him he needs to consistantly improve and have more games like this.
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 06:14 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Pro Bowler
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,067
Reputation: 60847
|
I like RG IIIs performance so far but he's going to have to eventually adjust to a more pro style offense. I see a lot of what he ran at Baylor and that's fine. You make your qb comfortable as much as you can. But it only works for a short period of time.
Gotta see how he adjust but I love how hes throwing the ball.
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 07:15 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Pro Bowler
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Jacksonville, Fl
Posts: 3,971
Reputation: 316345
|
Don't look now but Muslim Ponder leads the league in completion percentage, and Chief Grand Cherokee is 5th
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 08:40 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Mage Bros
All-Pro
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 8,169
Reputation: 1795405
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by abaddon41_80
Don't look now but Muslim Ponder leads the league in completion percentage, and Chief Grand Cherokee is 5th
|
I got Muslim Ponder, but have no idea who Chief Grand Cherokee is.
__________________
Thanks for the sig BK
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 08:55 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Team Leader
Legend
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Jersey
Posts: 25,358
Reputation: 2361116
|
I think it's Bradford.
__________________
Thanks BoneKrusher
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcheTen
Jason Pierre-Paul is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
|
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 09:22 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
All-NFLDC
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Enjoying a succulent peach
Posts: 10,673
Reputation: 2462192
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty D
Stafford looks off. He isn't clicking like he did last year. I'm not too worried yet but its concerning.
|
Crazy talk. Stafford is a top 5 QB and is only going to improve on the numbers he put up last year!...
__________________

BK
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcheTen
JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by abaddon41_80
Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JBCX
Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.
|
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 09:47 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Resident Alcoholic
All-NFLDC
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 14,005
Reputation: 2103130
|
It's definitely disconcerting how poorly Stafford has been playing so far. From what I've seen though, he's getting absolutely zero support from his running game and his offensive line. You cannot win games at the NFL level without at least the threat of a run game, and I don't think Kevin Smith is striking fear into the hearts of DC's everywhere.
As pretty as Bradford's stats were yesterday and as impressive as he was in the clutch, he still doesn't throw more then 10 yards down the field. It's upsetting how conservative that offense is. I saw them complete 4 or 5 passes yesterday for sub 3 yard gains.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Goosemahn
The APS is strong in this one.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by killxswitch
Tears for Fears is better than whatever it is you happen to be thinking about right now.
|
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 10:50 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Pro Bowler
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Norman, OK
Posts: 3,088
Reputation: 228340
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by A Perfect Score
It's definitely disconcerting how poorly Stafford has been playing so far. From what I've seen though, he's getting absolutely zero support from his running game and his offensive line. You cannot win games at the NFL level without at least the threat of a run game, and I don't think Kevin Smith is striking fear into the hearts of DC's everywhere.
As pretty as Bradford's stats were yesterday and as impressive as he was in the clutch, he still doesn't throw more then 10 yards down the field. It's upsetting how conservative that offense is. I saw them complete 4 or 5 passes yesterday for sub 3 yard gains.
|
Bradford is 6th in yards per attempt.
__________________

Sig by Hitman D.
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 11:01 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
All-NFLDC
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Enjoying a succulent peach
Posts: 10,673
Reputation: 2462192
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by A Perfect Score
It's definitely disconcerting how poorly Stafford has been playing so far. From what I've seen though, he's getting absolutely zero support from his running game and his offensive line. You cannot win games at the NFL level without at least the threat of a run game, and I don't think Kevin Smith is striking fear into the hearts of DC's everywhere.
As pretty as Bradford's stats were yesterday and as impressive as he was in the clutch, he still doesn't throw more then 10 yards down the field. It's upsetting how conservative that offense is. I saw them complete 4 or 5 passes yesterday for sub 3 yard gains.
|
********. The packers raped the regular season last year without even the hint of a running game, the Peyton Manning colts did the same thing for years, while the giants and pats just met in the superbowl without being able to even pretend to run the ball. Running the ball makes life on a QB easier, but without it truly elite QBs can still succeed and flourish.
__________________

BK
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcheTen
JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by abaddon41_80
Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JBCX
Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.
|
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 11:35 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Pro Bowler
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Jacksonville, Fl
Posts: 3,971
Reputation: 316345
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbluedefense
I think it's Bradford.
|
Yep (10 char)
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 11:36 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Pro Bowler
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,067
Reputation: 60847
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosebud
********. The packers raped the regular season last year without even the hint of a running game, the Peyton Manning colts did the same thing for years, while the giants and pats just met in the superbowl without being able to even pretend to run the ball. Running the ball makes life on a QB easier, but without it truly elite QBs can still succeed and flourish.
|
Giants may not have run it effectively during the season but they did run te ball well in the playoffs. Something the packers didn't do.
You do need to run the football effectively in this league.
|
|
|
09-17-2012, 11:44 AM
|
(permalink)
|
|
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 919
Reputation: 40678
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by A Perfect Score
It's definitely disconcerting how poorly Stafford has been playing so far. From what I've seen though, he's getting absolutely zero support from his running game and his offensive line. You cannot win games at the NFL level without at least the threat of a run game, and I don't think Kevin Smith is striking fear into the hearts of DC's everywhere.
As pretty as Bradford's stats were yesterday and as impressive as he was in the clutch, he still doesn't throw more then 10 yards down the field. It's upsetting how conservative that offense is. I saw them complete 4 or 5 passes yesterday for sub 3 yard gains.
|
With the Rams crappy o-line and limited weapons, the Rams have to play conservative. Last year, McDaniels tried to open it up and they nearly got Sam killed. The o-line can't block for a 7 step QB. The receivers aren't good enough either. The Rams have 4 #1 picks these next 2 years, so maybe if they address the o-line they will be able to open things up a bit. But for now, it's going to stay conservative.
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:40 PM.
|