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Before Moss is dealt -- and it now looks as if it is only a matter of time before it happens -- one of the next players expected to be traded is Washington's safety Adam Archuleta, who will most likely wind up in Chicago.

Archuleta is expected to be traded for a mid-round conditional pick that could improve for Washington depending on how well the safety performs. The trade would help the Redskins recoup a draft pick in an off season when Washington would like to add as many as possible.
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Is he going to play LB?

I don't think he fits very well at S in a cover 2....as he can't cover to save his life.
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FYI there is more to it if you click the link.

"Smith likely would plan to play Archuleta closer to the line of scrimmage, as a weapon against the run, rather than ask him to be a center fielder against the pass."
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It makes sense. Lovie tried to get him before Washington threw a ridiculous amount of money at him.

He provides depth at SS, which is an integral piece to the Tampa 2 scheme, and he's thick enough to hold the fort as the run stopper of the scheme over the course of the season.

He also had his best years in the Tampa 2 under Lovie Smith.

He could be a poor man's John Lynch, it could work. He didn't work in Washington because Lewis ran Cover 2 opposed to Tampa 2, and they had no pass rush out of their front 4.

This would be an excellent signing for the Bears. Lovie can make Arch work, I guarantee it. If not, then Arch won't work anywhere. But he has potential in Chicago.
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I'm guessing you wouldn't have to give up too much for him, in all it's worth a shot.
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I was hoping to pick him up if the Redskins were planning on cutting him but Im not so keen about actually giving up a conditional pick for him. I don't know how we would handle his ridiculous contract. I agree that if he is going to work anywhere it is going to be in Chicago under Lovie Smith. But shouldnt that drive his value down to the point where we can get him for pennies and not a midrounder?
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I don't know how we would handle his ridiculous contract.
"Before Washington trades Archuleta, it is first trying to restructure the safety's contract so as to soften his salary-cap blow once he is dealt."
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I was hoping to pick him up if the Redskins were planning on cutting him but Im not so keen about actually giving up a conditional pick for him. I don't know how we would handle his ridiculous contract. I agree that if he is going to work anywhere it is going to be in Chicago under Lovie Smith. But shouldnt that drive his value down to the point where we can get him for pennies and not a midrounder?
Thats the thing. With the safety depth in this draft, this move only makes sense if you can sign him after the Redskins cut him. Theres no point in trading for him. Theres plenty of guys in the draft that can be more productive and cheaper than Arch.
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I like it. If it's a conditional pick it'll only be sent if he pans out, which I'd say is about 50-50 right now.

People forget that before he was a one year bust in Washington he was a starting safety in St.Louis in the cover 2 for years. He had his best years under Lovie in St.Louis and should have come to the Bears last year. We need the safety depth if Mike Brown gets hurt so I'm all for it.
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"Before Washington trades Archuleta, it is first trying to restructure the safety's contract so as to soften his salary-cap blow once he is dealt."
Thanks. Missed that before. If he is willing to play special teams he could at the very least be an upgrade to Todd Johnson who we let go in FA. Him returning to form under the tutelage of Lovie Smith is a fun thought. We would have more flexibility in the draft and could hold off drafting a future SS if the value isnt there.
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Thats the thing. With the safety depth in this draft, this move only makes sense if you can sign him after the Redskins cut him. Theres no point in trading for him. Theres plenty of guys in the draft that can be more productive and cheaper than Arch.
Very true statement. However, you cannot discount the familiarity factor.
Lovie helped develop Arch into the playmaker he is. He knows exactly what he's getting and how it will fit in his system. Arch didn't play a lot in 2006, so he's also moderately fresh as well. I like the fit because of Lovie's familiarity with Arch. If they can get him at a bargain price, it would probably be a good deal. I would imagine the asking price is not high. Well done, Redskins!
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"Smith likely would plan to play Archuleta closer to the line of scrimmage, as a weapon against the run, rather than ask him to be a center fielder against the pass."
Which is key b/c that's Archuleta's game and Washington tried to turn him into something he's not.
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"Before Washington trades Archuleta, it is first trying to restructure the safety's contract so as to soften his salary-cap blow once he is dealt."
That would only benefit the Redskins. They would have take a cap hit for all of his remaining signing bonus plus his roster bonus, as it stands now, the Bears would only have to worry about his base salary, which I believe is fairly cheap for the next two season. Then they could cut him with out taking a cap hit.
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Didn't Archeleta play for Lovie when he was with the Rams???
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Very true statement. However, you cannot discount the familiarity factor.
Lovie helped develop Arch into the playmaker he is. He knows exactly what he's getting and how it will fit in his system. Arch didn't play a lot in 2006, so he's also moderately fresh as well. I like the fit because of Lovie's familiarity with Arch. If they can get him at a bargain price, it would probably be a good deal. I would imagine the asking price is not high. Well done, Redskins!
Not to mention that despite his faults in coverage, Archuleta has been a very productive safety. He's a great tackler at the line and if used properly can be effective in blitz packages as well.

We really don't run a standard cover 2 because Urlacher drops back so far in coverage on passing downs that we essentially have three safties back there.
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Exactly. If you deploy him in a way that fits with your team's scheme, Arch will be a very productive player. He will never be an all-pro, but he will be productive and potentially pro-bowl worthy in his very best years. He's a bottom of the second-tier safety in the NFL. Not a bad place to be, and certainly he is good enough to start for the Bears.
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Exactly. If you deploy him in a way that fits with your team's scheme, Arch will be a very productive player. He will never be an all-pro, but he will be productive and potentially pro-bowl worthy in his very best years. He's a bottom of the second-tier safety in the NFL. Not a bad place to be, and certainly he is good enough to start for the Bears.
Actually he wouldn't start. We just need someone to replace Todd Johnson as our backup SS and serve as insurance in case Mike Brown gets hurt (again).
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Not to mention that despite his faults in coverage, Archuleta has been a very productive safety. He's a great tackler at the line and if used properly can be effective in blitz packages as well.

We really don't run a standard cover 2 because Urlacher drops back so far in coverage on passing downs that we essentially have three safties back there.
Technically thats Tampa 2. I use both terms loosely myself and often say Cover 2 in reference to Tampa 2.

The thing with Arch is, if he does go to Chicago, that puts added pressure on Manning to hold the fort at FS, something he had a little trouble with at the end of the season.
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With the pressure the Bears are able to put on the passer, usually rushing only 4, Arch is a good mid-range cover guy and a very good run stuffer. With the upfield pressure from the DLine, some draws and screens can hurt the Cover 2/Tampa 2 D. Power running and good run blocking is also useful agaisnt these schemes. Adding a true run support safety could help the Bears significantly.
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The Bears would probably move Brown back to FS where he will probably have a better chance of staying healthy. Manning then could stay at safty or they might move him to CB to help ease the eventual loss of either Tillman or Vasher.
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That doesn't really make sense to me. They invested a first day pick and handed the safety job over to Manning last year. That got them to the Super Bowl. While he did wear down a little, moving him or platooning him will only stunt his development. I don't like that course of action at all. To me, the injury-prone Brown could be out or relegated to a reserve role. He is getting older and has not been as effective due to injury.
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There was not a lot of competion for him to beat out to get the starting spot. The Bears could still keep him at safty. Brown is often injured, and Archuleta wont last long before he would be a finacial burden for the Bears.
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Stunting the growth of a second year player by benching him after an acceptable rookie campaign is really not a good idea. That's something the Redskins would do. The Bears are a better run organization, and I would expect them to keep Manning in the starting lineup. If Arch comes over, I would foresee Brown becoming a reserve or being released or traded.
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