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View Poll Results: Who will be the number one pick?
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Old 06-16-2011, 07:12 PM    (permalink
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I'm way too excited considering it's going to be a ****** night if you're a Magic fan. Who wants Ryan Anderson for a pick? Get us in a position to take Burks, Hamilton, or Brooks.
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I'm way too excited considering it's going to be a ****** night if you're a Magic fan. Who wants Ryan Anderson for a pick? Get us in a position to take Burks, Hamilton, or Brooks.
haha i think you'll be disappointed if you think your gunna get that high of a pick for him lol

all of those guys mentioned have way higher ceilings than anderson could dream of haha
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Anderson's pretty much our most valuable trade chip, among our young guys. I'm not a big fan, because he's a chucker...but there is talent there. He's long, he rebounds very well, and he's a high pecentage shooter from long range. He has impressive per 36 statistical projections. I just dont like him that much. lol. A 1st rounder in the teens or middle of the 1st, isnt a steep price to pay for a player of his caliber at all. Especially in a weak draft class. It wont happen, though...sadly, he'll probably start for Orlando one day. :/ Schematically, he's a great fit for us...he just tends to annoy me.

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I really have rebuilding on the mind...but it just doesnt look too likely. What's sad, is that our best chance of a rebuild or an overhaul, comes by way of Dwight's departure.

If Orlando has to stick with the status quo lineup...I'd at least try to move Anderson for a pick or a new 2. We're apparently going to try and re-sign J-Rich. But we could really use some youth, and the Richardson fit, was just kind of an awkward one. They never really gelled. With Anderson out of the picture, that would enable us to give regular minutes to Earl Clark at SF and PF. And then all that's left would be to sign a back up big, to play behind Howard with the MLE. Or, this can be Fran Vazquez if they finally work out a deal. I'd love to bring in an Arron Afflalo or a Courtney Lee to play the 2, they're virtually the same guy, but that probably isnt too likely. My main aim, would be to infuse a bit of youth and stress the importance of team growth and chemistry. Something Howard has pointed out many a time before. And if Howard does bounce...at least you have a little more youthful talent on the roster, to help aid in the rebuilding process.

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We could do worse. You'd think it could potentially make us worse, but I think it would greatly reduce the amount of one on one basketball Orlando was playing last year. It would also force guys like Nelson and Turkoglu, to once again shoulder more of the offensive game. They just seemed to disappear a lot, and become too passive, when J Rich came on board. They never really played like a team. And of course, Howard would see his offensive input increase even more.
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Wow I didnt know there was this much hate on Jimmer. Jimmer would be exactly what we need on the Kings. We are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the NBA and adding a guy who can not only make a 3, but create his own shot is ideal. A rotation or Tyreke/Thornton/Udrih/Fredette gives the Kings 4 different type of guards that should all play well together. Add in Jimmer's positive attitude to a team thats has guys like Cousins and Donte Greene, hopefully he could help them. Also you have to factor in that Fredette would bring more of a fan base to the Kings, who are in desperate need of money for the new stadium.
I'm not totally sure he can do that against more athletic defenders. He struggled to get shots off against Florida, and they have marginal NBA talent on that roster.
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I'm not totally sure he can do that against more athletic defenders. He struggled to get shots off against Florida, and they have marginal NBA talent on that roster.
Well that's because Florida had to stop him in order to win. No NBA team is going to have to scheme against him. He's never gonna be double-teamed.

And he will play point in the NBA. He has good size, can handle the ball, and has great basketball IQ. He's smart enough to realize that he won't be the best player on his team. Just the way he plays shouts point guard.
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Alec Burks, SG, Colorado
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Kawhi Leonard, SF, San Diego State
Marcus Morris, F, Kentucky
Markieff Morris, PF, Kentucky

slight change here

Bismack Biyombo, PF/C, Congo
Kawhi Leonard, SF, San Diego State
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I'd actually like that. But the only way it could happen is if they trade up, and I don't think teams are that interested in 2 late-first round picks in this draft.
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I'd actually like that. But the only way it could happen is if they trade up, and I don't think teams are that interested in 2 late-first round picks in this draft.
Brian Scalabrine is a helluva cornerstone to any trade.
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Well that's because Florida had to stop him in order to win. No NBA team is going to have to scheme against him. He's never gonna be double-teamed.

And he will play point in the NBA. He has good size, can handle the ball, and has great basketball IQ. He's smart enough to realize that he won't be the best player on his team. Just the way he plays shouts point guard.
The only scheme Florida used was guarding him with Kenny Boynton and he was on a gimpy ankle. He was occasionally double teamed, but all you really need is an athletic defender. And there is nothing about the kid that screams PG to me. His assist/turnover ratio has never been good and he's a chucker. The way he plays screams that once he touches the ball the possession ends for everyone else. He's not going to be able to put up the volume of shots he did at BYU in the NBA. I just can't see him being an efficient scorer in the NBA.
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How much higher is Derrick Williams' upside compared to Michael Beasley's?
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The only scheme Florida used was guarding him with Kenny Boynton and he was on a gimpy ankle. He was occasionally double teamed, but all you really need is an athletic defender. And there is nothing about the kid that screams PG to me. His assist/turnover ratio has never been good and he's a chucker. The way he plays screams that once he touches the ball the possession ends for everyone else. He's not going to be able to put up the volume of shots he did at BYU in the NBA. I just can't see him being an efficient scorer in the NBA.
He put up all those shots cause he was the best on the team, and he worked the hardest out of all of them. They had a better chance of winning with him as the #1 option. And he's obviously not gonna be able to get the same number of shots, but he could end up with more quality shots, if he ends up with the right team. He might not have had a lot of assists, but it's not like he was a terrible passer.
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Hey MOTH, was thinking of players that Orlando could go after to help sway Dwight to stay and someone who was rumored to be available this off-season and I came up with this deal.

Magic Receive: SG Monta Ellis

Warriors Receive: SF/SG Andre Iguodola

76ers Receive: C Daniel Orton, PF Ryan Anderson, SF Hedo Turkoglu and a 2012 Lottery Protected 1st Round Pick

You think something like that may work? You guys get a legit second option, hell, a first option on some nights, who is locked up, Golden State gets bigger and more athletic and defensive at the 2 and the Sixers get more depth and youth in the frontcourt, a possible starter at the 3 and also a 1st round pick.
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Philly is trading Iggy because they don't feel he plays up to his contract as a #1 option, yet you give them an even worse contract in Hedo? That's hideous. Ryan Anderson would be nothing more than a backup for Brand and Orton actually makes the deal worse, lol. The fact that it's even a lottery protected first makes it worst, even if it had no protection the sixers wouldn't touch this deal with an 8 foot pole. Anyways that Orlando pick will be in the 20's. Also in discussions the the Warriors want more than just Iggy for Ellis, and even on a Magic standpoint while Ellis would be a great guy with D12, with Nelson and Arenas already in place I don't think it's a great fit.
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He put up all those shots cause he was the best on the team, and he worked the hardest out of all of them. They had a better chance of winning with him as the #1 option. And he's obviously not gonna be able to get the same number of shots, but he could end up with more quality shots, if he ends up with the right team. He might not have had a lot of assists, but it's not like he was a terrible passer.
I obviously don't deny that he didn't really have a choice but to take a lot of shots because he was their best player. He needs a lot of freedom with his shot taking to score, but he'll be on a tight leash in the NBA. I definitely think he can find a career as a role player, but if his shot isn't falling there's no reason to have him on the court. If you give him that freedom he might put up 20 off the bench, but more often than not that type of shot selection will take you out of a game.
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How much higher is Derrick Williams' upside compared to Michael Beasley's?
I don't get that logic. "Let's dump our high ceiling 3 and then draft the same player at #2 overall." ******* stupid, but in-line with the kind of **** Minnesota pulls, so I wouldn't be shocked.

...after drafting a similar player in Wesley Johnson in 2010.

They should be trying to swap picks with the Cavs or Wizards and be targetting Kanter.
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I don't get that logic. "Let's dump our high ceiling 3 and then draft the same player at #2 overall." ******* stupid, but in-line with the kind of **** Minnesota pulls, so I wouldn't be shocked.

...after drafting a similar player in Wesley Johnson in 2010.

They should be trying to swap picks with the Cavs or Wizards and be targetting Kanter.
Wes Johnson is around 6'7 205, basically a shooting guard for us. The Beasley and Williams argument I can understand though. I just hope Williams isn't as reckless with the ball as Beasley is.
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Hey MOTH, was thinking of players that Orlando could go after to help sway Dwight to stay and someone who was rumored to be available this off-season and I came up with this deal.

Magic Receive: SG Monta Ellis

Warriors Receive: SF/SG Andre Iguodola

76ers Receive: C Daniel Orton, PF Ryan Anderson, SF Hedo Turkoglu and a 2012 Lottery Protected 1st Round Pick

You think something like that may work? You guys get a legit second option, hell, a first option on some nights, who is locked up, Golden State gets bigger and more athletic and defensive at the 2 and the Sixers get more depth and youth in the frontcourt, a possible starter at the 3 and also a 1st round pick.
As far as talents like Iggy and Ellis go...we look pretty screwed. We have nothing to offer anyone. We have really bad contracts. Hedo isnt really a tradable asset right now, given his contract. Orton holds no value at all, until he shows something on the court. The Sixers would be getting killed in that deal. They'd be much better off just trading for Ellis straight up. That's why I made that post in the first place...Orlando's roster will probably look very similar to last year's.

edit...maybe we could get lucky with a J Rich sign and trade to add value, but I doubt it. Orlando would probably rather keep him, instead.

It would be interesting to know what the Grizz want for Mayo. Last year it was Mcroberts and a 1st rounder. Take Ryan Anderson, Memphis! :)
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I don't get that logic. "Let's dump our high ceiling 3 and then draft the same player at #2 overall." ******* stupid, but in-line with the kind of **** Minnesota pulls, so I wouldn't be shocked.

...after drafting a similar player in Wesley Johnson in 2010.

They should be trying to swap picks with the Cavs or Wizards and be targetting Kanter.
It's not like we would just be swapping one for the other. We would get something in return for Beasley. If we just kept both of them you're right it would make no sense.
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Hey MOTH, was thinking of players that Orlando could go after to help sway Dwight to stay and someone who was rumored to be available this off-season and I came up with this deal.

Magic Receive: SG Monta Ellis

Warriors Receive: SF/SG Andre Iguodola

76ers Receive: C Daniel Orton, PF Ryan Anderson, SF Hedo Turkoglu and a 2012 Lottery Protected 1st Round Pick

You think something like that may work? You guys get a legit second option, hell, a first option on some nights, who is locked up, Golden State gets bigger and more athletic and defensive at the 2 and the Sixers get more depth and youth in the frontcourt, a possible starter at the 3 and also a 1st round pick.

That is the worst trade in the history of trades for Philly. Daniel Orton is terrible, Ryan Anderson is a decent role player but nothing more, Hedo has one of the worst contracts in the league, and what would end up being something like the 27/28th pick isn't worth that much at all.
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It's also a matter of what you're going to get for Beasley. Likely just package him and a few other decent young players for a ****** player with a ****** contract that will be a massive flop if you're the Timberwolves.

The big problem with the T'Wolves is that they keep taking on ****** contracts that they don't need to take on. They signed two of the same player (Sessions & Ridnour) to the same horrible contract and they keep taking on bad, long-term contracts.

This is a team that should be closer to $30m and looking to consolodate young talent into a couple of centerpieces (or just continuing to build up their young guys) like Portland and Chicago did, but they just keep ******* it up.

They should be trying to turn Beasley, Flynn, Darko, and Ridnour and #2 into Rashard Lewis, Javale McGee, #6, and something extra. And I'd probably still take Kanter. Size is so important in the NBA. It's been the deciding factor in the all of the NBA Finals that I can remember. Lewis is a nice trading piece in a couple years while still being a productive member of a team.

Rubio, McGee, and Love is the start of a team that might do something.
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