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View Poll Results: Who will be the number one pick?
Enes Kanter 7 7.07%
Perry Jones 14 14.14%
Kyrie Irving 49 49.49%
Harrison Barnes 19 19.19%
Other 10 10.10%
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Steals don't tell you how good a guy is defensively. He is too slow to hang with any NBA PG, and he cannot score at all.



Only for Punk. And Husky Harris.
He's not even slow. You're just making up stuff at this point.

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He doesn't suck at defense. 106 steals in 70 games. He knows how to stay with the ball handler. Now his low-post defense is a different story, but that's not rare with point guards.
So that is what 1 steal a game? there are bench players in the NBA who average 1 steal a game.
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It really is, I hope Minnesota isn't that stupid. By all accounts Derrick Williams could be a stud, why aren't they happy to take him? They got Rubio, so Irving is no need, DW makes perfect sense yet they want to trade him, along wtih 1 of the seldom good young players they have.
Cause they have five players at PF, and they're not gonna win with Flynn. D-Will would just be Beasley with a better attitude/drive. Irving has the highest potential out of everyone in the draft, and that's what the Wolves should be focusing on. They need upside, not help right away.
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The Cavs are shopping that #4 pick hard apparently. But I still think they favor Kanter at 4. He just had another workout with them today.

I heard they favor Jonas over Kanter actually, but it sounds like there is some trouble with his buyout.
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He's not even slow. You're just making up stuff at this point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRACpf7w_kA - Iso D
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He sure as hell isn't quick. And really, two short video examples?
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What do you guys think of the Bogut for #2 overall rumors? Pretty sure the Bucks came out and said they're false. But still, interesting conversation. Have fun trying to out rebound Love/Bogut. haha. Bogut's a fine talent, but made out of glass, however. If you're willing to wait, they'd probably just be better off drafting Kanter.

More than likely we probably wont even see any of these rumors come to fruition. But they're fun to discuss. I just hope for at least a little current NBA player movement during the draft.

I have no idea why the Bucks would do that, but I would jizz myself if we got Bogut for #2. Love/Bogut would complement eachother very well and Bogut could make up for Love's defensive deficiencies. Also provides us with more a post scorer which Love really isn't.
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Cause they have five players at PF, and they're not gonna win with Flynn. D-Will would just be Beasley with a better attitude/drive. Irving has the highest potential out of everyone in the draft, and that's what the Wolves should be focusing on. They need upside, not help right away.
That's kinda my point. I'd rather be trying to trade Beasley, vs trading DWILL + another building block on their team.
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He's not even slow. You're just making up stuff at this point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRACpf7w_kA - Iso D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX5DHy4q8c4 - Help D
He sure as hell isn't quick. And really, two short video examples?
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I saw that on rotoworld, too...but I dont really buy it. Whatever the case is, they should end up with one of the two. Unless they deal that pick away.
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I saw that on rotoworld, too...but I dont really buy it. Whatever the case is, they should end up with one of the two. Unless they deal that pick away.
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So that is what 1 steal a game? there are bench players in the NBA who average 1 steal a game.
Watch those videos I posted. And I didn't know that benchwarmers in the NBA play in the Euroleague also. Cause you know, both leagues play exactly alike. They focus more on passing in the Euroleague, so you could say that's it harder to get steals over there.
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I do, actually. He's abnormally popular around here. Probably the most popular player (more than Mauer and Peterson).

Love is a good fit for the town. I see him out at local places frequently; he just doesn't seem to be a big city guy like Lebron or Melo. If the team is still trash by then, sure, he could move. But I think that's the only reason.

With all that said, however, it's still a ******* awful trade. #2 for Gasol would be reasonable.
How long have you been from Minnesota? I always thought you were from Illinois until this post. What's the big idea?
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Watch those videos I posted. And I didn't know that benchwarmers in the NBA play in the Euroleague also. Cause you know, both leagues play exactly alike. They focus more on passing in the Euroleague, so you could say that's it harder to get steals over there.
I don't need to watch anymore Rubio videos. Its easier for him to get steals over there just using his length and jumping into passing lanes compared to what he will have to do in the NBA.

Ya there are NBA bench warmer type talents that play over seas as well as the great Ricky Rubio. So to average 1 steal in Europe is not a great indicator that he is a good defender.
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How long have you been from Minnesota? I always thought you were from Illinois until this post. What's the big idea?
I lived in Ohio for the first 24 years of my life (chose the Bears over the Browns because my family knew the Paytons and also the Browns are trash). I've lived in Minnesota for the last five years.
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Cause they have five players at PF, and they're not gonna win with Flynn. D-Will would just be Beasley with a better attitude/drive. Irving has the highest potential out of everyone in the draft, and that's what the Wolves should be focusing on. They need upside, not help right away.
I would say Irving is one of the safer picks but he's not the guys with the greatest potential, probably not even top 5 in potential in this draft.
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I lived in Ohio for the first 24 years of my life (chose the Bears over the Browns because my family knew the Paytons and also the Browns are ******* AWESOME!!!). I've lived in Minnesota for the last five years.
Fixed it for you.
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Yeah, i don't think Irving has the most potential. Not even for PGs. As far as raw talent goes, i'd put Brandon Knight over him.
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Does anyone know how Miami supposedly lost all these draft picks? I thought since they got the big 3 in FA, and then proceeded to trade Beasely, they would be alright on picks. All I hear is they are in dire need of picks now and in the future.
Cavs ended up doing a sign & trade with LeBron
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Yeah, i don't think Irving has the most potential. Not even for PGs. As far as raw talent goes, i'd put Brandon Knight over him.
I don't foresee a great NBA career for Mr. Knight. I think he could be a better Jamal Crawford... maybe.
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I don't foresee a great NBA career for Mr. Knight. I think he could be a better Jamal Crawford... maybe.
Will never be as good of a shooter than Crawford. But Knight does have a 6'6" wingspan, which will certainly help his scoring. Nothing sticks out for him, but he really doesn't have any negatives either.


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I would say Irving is one of the safer picks but he's not the guys with the greatest potential, probably not even top 5 in potential in this draft.
Not having the most potential is debatable, but you can't say that he doesn't have top 5 potential. The only thing that could get in his way is that injury, and if it wasn't for that, he'd be a lock for #1.

And if you like stats, his TS% was .708 before the injury, and .681 after (which is still great).
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I heard they favor Jonas over Kanter actually, but it sounds like there is some trouble with his buyout.
yeah, if Jonas isn't the pick at 4, it's because of buyout complications, not because they like Kanter. I heard they had Kanter in for a 2nd workout b/c they were left wanting after his first one. You would think that if they like a guy enough, that they would take him anyway even if he has to skip the 2011-2012 NBA season.
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:06 PM    (permalink
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With the upside of Jonas, and how bad Cleveland will be for another few years, I don't think they should blink at taking him if they really like him. 1 year isn't really a huge deal for them, they have alot more rebuilding to do, it's just about getting the right pieces in play now.
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So duck standard pundit draft rhetoric, who is going to be the best player from this draft? My money us 9n Burks.
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I'll go Kyrie, boring but I don't think it's wrong
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I'd go

1. Irving
2. Williams
3. Kanter
4. Jonas
5. Kemba
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