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View Poll Results: Who will be the number one pick?
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Old 06-25-2011, 03:25 PM    (permalink
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ROOKIE NUMBER TIME:

Brandon Knight #0
Vernon Macklin #20
Kyle Singler is undecided
UPDATE: Apparently Brandon Knight is gonna wear #7, because............ wait for it.................. 7 teams passed on him.

First time you've ever heard that reason, right?
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I liked 0 for Knight, but 7 is alright. Ben Gordon is switching to 8 for those that were wondering. Singler is wearing 25.
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Markieff Morris will probably be #20, currently held by Siler but nothing a couple grand couldn't pry away from him
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You need Darko, or somebody, in there to play defense.

I agree on the whole, however, that the scheme fits will work themselves out if we install the proper offense and Rubio can be an effective distributor.

I like the Kings comparison, but whereas the Kings had an outside game with Stojakovic, the Wolves have an awful outside game. The best long distance shooters are probably Love and Williams. I think the Wolves need to be more like the Suns under D'Antonio. It's not a recipe to ever win a championship, and this team will always have awful defense as it's constructed now, but there is enough athletic talent to outpace other teams (again, if Rubio is worth anything).

Kahn was smart to blow the entire thing up and start from scratch. I don't have much faith in him to be able to turn it around, but you can at least see how the pieces are coming together if you squint hard enough.

Not every team is, or should be, constructed the same way. This team was an awful fit for the triangle, and I think Rambis was actually the worst move Kahn has made so far.
The Kings of old were predicated on 3 main things

1) an ultra athletic big man in the post (Webber)
2) incredible passers down low, and facilitators all around
3) outside shooting all around

The Kings never had a "pure PG" running their team. White Chocolate was super flashy with his passes, but he loved to score as much as anyone and his risky passes led to way too many TOs in relation to his assists. When he was traded for Team Dime, the Kings had a more refined offense but Bibby had better than 5.5 assists once in 6 full seasons in Sactown. That's not to say he couldn't have high assist numbers; just look at his 2 years prior to being to Sacramento and even his first half season in the ATL. It's just that the Kings had two big men who totaled 8 or more assists per game during that time. And Doug Christie was always right behind Bibby in assists per game.

On the other hand, the Timberwolves have a pass-only PG now and a bunch of guys who can't shoot and can't pass. Adelman is a coach who can change his offense to fit his players, but the Kings of old ran their offense through the high post. You can't do that with this group of Minnesotans. They are more than just shooters away from being the Kings.
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UPDATE: Apparently Brandon Knight is gonna wear #7, because............ wait for it.................. 7 teams passed on him.

First time you've ever heard that reason, right?
Kings numbers:
Jimmer Fredette #7
Tyler Honeycutt #3
Isaiah Thomas #22

Jimmer is taking #7 because he's really a Seventh Day Adventist and the number seven is the holy number of perfection. Tyler Honeycutt is also very religious and is honoring the Holy Trinity and the number three is the holy number of completion. Isaiah Thomas took #22 because the Rapture is coming (someone forgot to tell him he's playing for Sacramento, not Toronto) and there are 22 chapters in the book of Revelation. He is also honoring his Jewish heritage (just like Amare) in that there are 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet.
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I always thought #9 was the perfect number. That is what a girl who was into numerology told me.
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Amare was #1 before he knew he was Jewish though.
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UPDATE: Apparently Brandon Knight is gonna wear #7, because............ wait for it.................. 7 teams passed on him.

First time you've ever heard that reason, right?
Someone might wanna let Brandon know that only 6 teams passed on him..
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From the Sacto team I remember when i was a fan of theirs it consisted of:

Mike Bibby
Doug Christie
Peja Stojakovic
Chris Webber
Vlader Divac

Bench:
Gerald Wallace
Brad Miller
Bobby Jackson
Darius Songaila

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Someone might wanna let Brandon know that only 6 teams passed on him..
Well maybe he said it was because he was passed on 7 times. Either way, 0 is better.
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From the Sacto team I remember when i was a fan of theirs it consisted of:

Mike Bibby
Doug Christie
Peja Stojakovic
Chris Webber
Vlader Divac

Bench:
Gerald Wallace
Brad Miller
Bobby Jackson
Darius Songaila

Those were some ******* incredible teams
Don't forget Hedo Turkoglu. And the great Scott Pollard.
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Number of good players to ever wear #0 in NBA history...

0.
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Don't forget Hedo Turkoglu. And the great Scott Pollard.
Other impactful players during those years were Jim Jackson, Lawrence Funderburke (awesome name), Matt Barnes, Cuttino Mobley.

Obscure guys who were fun to root for, Anthony Peeler (for his elbow to KG's face), Keon Clark, Jon Barry and Tony Delk (went on to have like a 50 point game for Phoenix a couple years later).
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Number of good players to ever wear #0 in NBA history...

0.
Gilbert Arenas, Russell Westbrook, Shawn Marion now....
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Other impactful players during those years were Jim Jackson, Lawrence Funderburke (awesome name), Matt Barnes, Cuttino Mobley.

Obscure guys who were fun to root for, Anthony Peeler (for his elbow to KG's face), Keon Clark, Jon Barry and Tony Delk (went on to have like a 50 point game for Phoenix a couple years later).
Funderburke did in fact have an awesome name. Peeler i love because he stood up to Vanilla Ice aka Kevin Garnett. Cuttino Mobley came in towards the end of that Sacto run, so i never really had a strong connection with him, no to mention the fact that he never wanted to go to Sacto. Tony Delk i'll always remember as a Celtic.


I loved those teams, and it's a shame they never won a title. Their run was marked by injuries, and by the ******* the NBA gave them in the WCF. Vlade's back, CDubb's knee, Christie's foot... :/
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I know people won't like this, but... lol Gilbert Arenas. He's exactly what I think of when I think of a zero. His teams have always been better without him.

Westbrook and Marion might be the best players to ever wear a single 0. And that should say something, because most numbers have great players to have worn it.
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The Kings of old were predicated on 3 main things

1) an ultra athletic big man in the post (Webber)
2) incredible passers down low, and facilitators all around
3) outside shooting all around

The Kings never had a "pure PG" running their team. White Chocolate was super flashy with his passes, but he loved to score as much as anyone and his risky passes led to way too many TOs in relation to his assists. When he was traded for Team Dime, the Kings had a more refined offense but Bibby had better than 5.5 assists once in 6 full seasons in Sactown. That's not to say he couldn't have high assist numbers; just look at his 2 years prior to being to Sacramento and even his first half season in the ATL. It's just that the Kings had two big men who totaled 8 or more assists per game during that time. And Doug Christie was always right behind Bibby in assists per game.

On the other hand, the Timberwolves have a pass-only PG now and a bunch of guys who can't shoot and can't pass. Adelman is a coach who can change his offense to fit his players, but the Kings of old ran their offense through the high post. You can't do that with this group of Minnesotans. They are more than just shooters away from being the Kings.
The T-Wolves still have a long way to go, but they have a lot of pieces that fit into an offense like that. Obviously, they don't have a Chris Webber/Lamar Odom type of player (who does?), but Love is a rich man's Vlade Divac (high praise). Rubio would be a great fit in the White Chocolate version of the offense (if Ridnour ends up starting early, he'd do alright in the Bibby role) as he's a much better and smarter player. He's creative, but in a smart way.

They could definitely afford to overpay for Arron Afflalo, who could be a great fit in that offense at the 2. Stick Williams on the bench to start out...

1. Rubio/Ridnour/Ellington
2. *Afflalo/Lee
3. Wes/Webster
4. Beasley/Tolliver/Randolph/Williams/Pekovic (they obviously need to trade some bigs)
5. Love/Miller/Darko

There are definitely some good trades the T-Wolves could make to get closer to where they'd need to be to run an Adelman offense successfully.
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Gilbert Arenas, Russell Westbrook, Shawn Marion now....
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I know people won't like this, but... lol Gilbert Arenas. He's exactly what I think of when I think of a zero. His teams have always been better without him.

Westbrook and Marion might be the best players to ever wear a single 0. And that should say something, because most numbers have great players to have worn it.
Love how people relate the present to equate a player's past and future.
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You need Darko, or somebody, in there to play defense.

I agree on the whole, however, that the scheme fits will work themselves out if we install the proper offense and Rubio can be an effective distributor.

I like the Kings comparison, but whereas the Kings had an outside game with Stojakovic, the Wolves have an awful outside game. The best long distance shooters are probably Love and Williams. I think the Wolves need to be more like the Suns under D'Antonio. It's not a recipe to ever win a championship, and this team will always have awful defense as it's constructed now, but there is enough athletic talent to outpace other teams (again, if Rubio is worth anything).

Kahn was smart to blow the entire thing up and start from scratch. I don't have much faith in him to be able to turn it around, but you can at least see how the pieces are coming together if you squint hard enough.

Not every team is, or should be, constructed the same way. This team was an awful fit for the triangle, and I think Rambis was actually the worst move Kahn has made so far.
Shooting is actually one of the Timberwolves strengths. Even a lot of their big men can shoot the 3. Look at the 3P% last year:

Martell Webster: 41.7%
Kevin Love: 41.7%
Michael Beasley: 36.6%
Derrick Williams: 56.7% (from college, take with boulder of salt)
Wayne Ellington: 39.7%
Luke Ridnour: 44.0%
Anthony Tolliver: 40.9%
Wes Johnson: 35.6%
Brad Miller: 37.4%

That's 9 players with at least 35% from 3-point land, their shooting is fine.
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The T'Wolves aren't close to what the Kings were back in their day. Webber was a top 5 player IMO while he was in his prime and the T'Wolves don't have anything close to that.
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The T'Wolves aren't close to what the Kings were back in their day. Webber was a top 5 player IMO while he was in his prime and the T'Wolves don't have anything close to that.
Also don't like the Divac Love comparison someone made earlier.
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