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Old 11-19-2010, 09:47 PM    (permalink
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Tell that to Ben Roethlisberger.
Rape... DUI...
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Old 11-20-2010, 07:38 AM    (permalink
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I don't think this is true, but I don't know 100%. Plus who falls into this category? Dez Bryant? Percy Harvin? Will Cam Newton? I don't think there is a such thing honestly because what players have we ever seen get suspended the first time they got into trouble since being drafted over something minor?
Actually is there a difference between subtance and personal conduct policy? I know players busted with pot come into the NFL with one strike against them already.
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Old 11-20-2010, 11:46 PM    (permalink
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If it turns out to be an illegal drug does that count as a substance abuse violation? A union contract wording could require a positive test that the league administered. If it does count does he get suspended for 4 games?
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Old 11-21-2010, 08:45 AM    (permalink
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Rape... DUI...
Reading comprehension FTW.

I never compared the two cases except that Roethlisberger was suspended without ever being EVEN CHARGED with a crime.
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Old 11-21-2010, 10:38 AM    (permalink
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As a Bucs fan, I am disappointied to hear that Williams would put himself at risk and in this situation when his team is in the playoff hunt. I hope Raheem and Freeman got in his ear after this. He is our playmaker at WR and this could hurt if there is drugs in his system.

However, there are also many reasons he could have had glassy eyes. For one, he was arrested at almost 3:00 am. If your tired, sometimes you look St*ned. And as a young student like myself, i heard the saying many times. "driving tired is just as bad as driving under the influence." Hopefully he learns his lesson from this and everything works out.
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Bucs GM Mark Dominik revealed Monday that Mike Williams' urine sample showed "zero illegal substances" in the rookie receiver's blood following Williams' Friday arrest for DUI.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/sta...18719741255680
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:09 PM    (permalink
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Bucs GM Mark Dominik revealed Monday that Mike Williams' urine sample showed "zero illegal substances" in the rookie receiver's blood following Williams' Friday arrest for DUI.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/sta...18719741255680
That's great to here. I was Mike Williams' biggest fan prior to the draft. I thought that if he could keep his head on straight, he could be the best receiver from this past draft. Hopefully he's more careful next time.
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Bucs GM Mark Dominik revealed Monday that Mike Williams' urine sample showed "zero illegal substances" in the rookie receiver's blood following Williams' Friday arrest for DUI.

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/sta...18719741255680
Worst. arrest. ever.

How dare he drive while black. Entirely legal situation puts a stain on this guy's career. Terrible
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:38 PM    (permalink
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I have a hard time seeing how the DUI arrest will stick if his BAC was under the legal limit and his urine test is clean. Sounds like Williams is guilty of speeding and maybe reckless driving. Hopefully we haven't gotten to the point where the NFL is suspending players for that.
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:41 PM    (permalink
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I think the case is closed on this one...however hopefully now Williams will be even more cautious
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:41 PM    (permalink
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I think he will get a fine for putting himself in that position, but I really don't think he will be charged with a dui, just a speeding ticket.
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The team already fined him.
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Most of the time it does. Other times you get a warning, suspensions/fines usually result from breaking the law.
Most of the major suspensions have happened before any legal proceedings. Vick, Burress, Roethlisberger and Pacman all come to mind as guys who got suspended prior to any charges being laid, in the case of Pacman and Roethlisberger there weren't any charges and it didn't matter.

Basically the league policy is entirely at Goodell's discretion, once you are out after midnight if there is any kind of altercation/incident you fall under his guise and he can decide to suspend/fine you at his discretion. I'm pretty sure it is a system that would not hold up in the court of law but no player is going to challenge it as it would effectively be a death sentence to your career so they cop it on the chin and get on with things.

I actually think that Goodell's actions draw far more negative light, he very much seems like a sad little dictator when he suspends and fines players for not actually doing anything, very much should be a link between criminal activity and any fines, his whole assumption of guilt is unethical in my book. You are guilty until proven innocent and even then you are still guilty.
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I tried telling everyone that the personal conduct policy would become this contradictory and convoluted.

Basically, your punishment directly correlates with how much media attention your indiscretions receive.
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Usually if it's a first time offense, you might face a fine from the league, however if you put yourself in this position again, then a suspension will come (see Roethlisbuerger.)

After reading this story, it seems to me the cops were being a couple of @**Holes giving this man a hard time. He voluntarily took a urine test to prove he was not under the influence of drugs and was right. It sucks that he may have to go to court to perhaps fight these DUI charges.
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