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Old 12-21-2010, 12:29 AM    (permalink
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Beautiful....Devin Hester of the Bears broke the all-time return TD record in only 5 seasons...compared to the previous holder who it took 15 seasons to get 13 TD's. Hester has 14 return TD's in 150 less games.
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He is just phenomenal. The question is, is he HOF worthy? I honestly believe if he were to have 20 or more return TDs he should have a shot.
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Can we now easily say GOAT Returnman?

HoF is tough for him. He is the greatest at his position ever, but are returnmen worthy of the Hall.
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Awesome achievement.

On a side note, that was just terrible coverage by the Vikings. How were so many guys not even near him to begin with, did they not see Hester moving across for the ball? It's like they just kept running straight ahead.
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Old 12-21-2010, 01:42 AM    (permalink
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The argument for Hall of Fame is interesting, it's now pretty much a given that he's the greatest return man of all time. I think it needs to be argued how valuable his returns have been for his team though for him to have a chance.

He might make it, but if you look at the guys he's playing with now and where you can project he'll retire compared to those around him it might take a really down year.
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Dear god. Not the "we need to put more return men in the hall of fame" discussion again. Last time was bad enough.
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Awesome achievement.

On a side note, that was just terrible coverage by the Vikings. How were so many guys not even near him to begin with, did they not see Hester moving across for the ball? It's like they just kept running straight ahead.
You're right. That was such pathetic coverage... it was like they only had 4 guys out there and they all went running and sliding on the ice.... Hester wasn't even close to being touched.
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If it stands with this record, no HoF. but if he continues with this pace (he has 14 TDs in 223 returns, mitchell had 1000 returns) then he deserves it in. id say he needs about 25-30 to make it.
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I dont see why the greatest to ever play the game wouldnt be in the HOF.
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On a side note, that was just terrible coverage by the Vikings. How were so many guys not even near him to begin with, did they not see Hester moving across for the ball? It's like they just kept running straight ahead.
It gave the crowd one more reason to boo Kluwe (as if there wasnt enough already last night). We needed to do something to stay involved.
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Don't get me wrong, he's an incredible return man and an invaluable weapon. but for me, what it really speaks to his inability to do anything else on the football field. Dez had a couple this year. They might stick him back there some next year, but do you honestly think they're going to put him back their when he becomes an integral part of their offense? That's usually the career trajectory for a great returner.

Imagine how many Barry Sanders would have had.
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I dont see why the greatest to ever play the game wouldnt be in the HOF.
That's how I see it.
I think if youre the best at your position, you should be in... period.
I also think Ray Guy should be in too though

I understand the arguement about Dez Bryant but I don't buy it.
Not in this instance, at least. I think Hester is an avg WR with the potential to be better.
But he has the potential to be the GOAT as a KR/PR...
I don't think that's a knock. Field position is one of the most important aspects of football and Hester is a beast at it
He changes the entire kicking game of the opponent.
The offense gets a shorter field, making the stats of his QB/WR/TE look better (TDs)

I hope Hester continues on at this pace so he'll get some serious consideration
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Don't get me wrong, he's an incredible return man and an invaluable weapon. but for me, what it really speaks to his inability to do anything else on the football field. Dez had a couple this year. They might stick him back there some next year, but do you honestly think they're going to put him back their when he becomes an integral part of their offense? That's usually the career trajectory for a great returner.

Imagine how many Barry Sanders would have had.
None, forty, seven...not going to lie but I just don't think we can answer that.
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while they're at it, they need to put in the best long snapper and best holder in the hall of fame too, because after all, they are the best at their position too.

Eric Metcalf should go in the hall of fame too since he had the punt return TD record and was a productive player on offense. Josh Cribbs must be on the cusp because he's the best kick off returner ever.

Maybe if Devin Hester had like 30 return TDs, he'd have an argument.
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the problem is that those game are not as much game changers. I mean Eric Metcalf had 351 Punt returns. he had 10 Punt Returns for a TD, that means ever 35 returns he had 1 TD. Hester has 73 Punt Returns with 10 Punt return TDs. He has one ever 7 Returns. that is huge. He also averages 2 more yards than Metcalf per return and 8 more per Kickoff return.
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If Hester does go to the Hall of Fame, it should be as a kick returner, not as a wide receiver. They should make that designation for sure, because it's disrespectful to the guys who earned their way in as receivers otherwise. But if he puts up 25+ return TD's, he might have an argument. The game hasn't seen anything like this guy, that's for sure.
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the problem is that those game are not as much game changers. I mean Eric Metcalf had 351 Punt returns. he had 10 Punt Returns for a TD, that means ever 35 returns he had 1 TD. Hester has 73 Punt Returns with 10 Punt return TDs. He has one ever 7 Returns. that is huge. He also averages 2 more yards than Metcalf per return and 8 more per Kickoff return.
All of this is true, but Metcalf also had almost 6,000 more yards as a running back and receiver and 32 more touchdowns.
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All of this is true, but Metcalf also had almost 6,000 more yards as a running back and receiver and 32 more touchdowns.
That's all irrelivent if he's going in as a KR

I knew someone was going to bring up long snapper/holders. Dumb.
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That's all irrelivent if he's going in as a KR

I knew someone was going to bring up long snapper/holders. Dumb.
How is it irrelevant? Deion Sanders is a Hall of Fame corner, but they aren't going to just throw out what he did as a returner and wide receiver. The whole body of work is in the discussion.
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That's all irrelivent if he's going in as a KR

I knew someone was going to bring up long snapper/holders. Dumb.
I agree, you can't really compare a long snapper or holder to a great KR. A great returner is a weapon, a great long snapper is pretty much a dime a dozen. Jan Stenerud is the only real specialist in the hall of fame, but I think the career points record is a big reason why. Being the best at something goes a long way in the process.
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How is it irrelevant? Deion Sanders is a Hall of Fame corner, but they aren't going to just throw out what he did as a returner and wide receiver. The whole body of work is in the discussion.
bc D.Sanders isn't in the HOF as a returner.
He's arguably the greatest cover corner ever.

So you can't compare that to Hester, who might go in as a KR/PR
Not a HOF WR who also shattered the KR/PR TD record
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The game hasn't seen anything like this guy, that's for sure.
That's pretty much my argument. He broke Mitchell's record in 1/3 the games and 1/4 of the return attempts.

You also have to remember that in 2008/2009 he was taken off full time KR/PR duties because teams wouldn't kick to him and because we converted him into a WR.

Hester gets one or two chances a game to make a big play and this year he's returned to his 2006/2007 form. He only has 3 TD's, but he's consistently had big returns this season.

He's a game changer. Hell, he's a field position changer. He doesn't have to touch the ball to be effective.

The scary thing is he's going to keep this going because he's still in his prime. Teams will kick to him whether they want to or not and if we can build up our offense some more it'll cause a dilemma. Do you kick it out of bounds and give us field position? Or do you take your chances at covering him?

I remember some on this board claiming he was a flash in the pan in 2006/2007 and would lose his impact as teams kicked away from him. Well, it's 2010 and he's had 3 more returns and looks as dominant as ever.

As Urlacher said after the Green Bay game; "He's back."

As far as the HOF goes I think you make exceptions to the rule. And the rule is special teams players usually don't get in no matter how good they are. In Hester's case though he's hands down the GOAT and the most dominant return man by far. He revolutionized the return game and that to me is grounds for a HOF induction (then again I'm probably fairly biased on this subject :D).
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Hes good, but there are a few others in history that run neck n neck with him. i.e.: Dante Hall, Allen Rossum, Antwaan Randle El, hell i'd even put Desean Jackson and Dexter McCluster up there, Dont get me wrong, Hester is indeed impressively good at returnman but the game just aint the same as it used to be. Dudes scared to tackle nowadays and get fined,plus the overall gap in speed between Hester and those cover men are scary. None of the guys I mentioned were real speedsters except the last two new guys, but they just had that elusiveness and agility about them, thats why their more fun to watch then just a blur of speed (Hester).
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