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Old 12-21-2010, 03:13 PM    (permalink
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Hes good, but there are a few others in history that run neck n neck with him. i.e.: Dante Hall, Allen Rossum, Antwaan Randle El, hell i'd even put Desean Jackson and Dexter McCluster up there, Dont get me wrong, Hester is indeed impressively good at returnman but the game just aint the same as it used to be. Dudes scared to tackle nowadays and get fined,plus the overall gap in speed between Hester and those cover men are scary. None of the guys I mentioned were real speedsters except the last two new guys, but they just had that elusiveness and agility about them, thats why their more fun to watch then just a blur of speed (Hester).
Dante Hall had....what? One good year? Same goes for Rossum or Randel El.....And Jackson has 4 PR in his career and no KR. And McCluster is a ******* rookie.

I wasn't going to post in here because I was either going to look like a raging homer or like I was disrespecting what Hester has done for us. But you can't seriously compare guys with a fraction of his return production to him.

If you want to make the argument that as an overall player, Desean Jackson is better, go for it, because no one will argue with you. But based on pure return ability and production, Hester wins.

Now Hall of Fame....not right now. Specialists don't get in, and there hasn't been any exception to date. If he keeps it up and does something like double up the old record? Then we'll talk. Because it would be very hard to keep him out at that point based on his impact on the game.
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This is not Surprising coming from a Bears fan, but like I said the game has changed for the worse and if you dont agree you got **** for brains. And you obviously just became a football fan saying Hall, Rossum, & Randle El had ONE good year! If you were next to me i'd probably give you a wedgie and take your glasses from you and call you harmful things like "douche" or "tool".
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This is not Surprising coming from a Bears fan, but like I said the game has changed for the worse and if you dont agree you got **** for brains. And you obviously just became a football fan saying Hall, Rossum, & Randle El had ONE good year! If you were next to me i'd probably give you a wedgie and take your glasses from you and call you harmful things like "douche" or "tool".
Wow you're definitely the coolest person here. I love Internet tough guys.
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Am I cool because I wear shades indoors or because i say stuff that makes the little guys say "Wow, that guy's awesome! I wanna be like him one day." Or am I cool because i make valid points in these threads and knuckleheads like you cant accept the fact that your not always right?
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Randel El has 6 career returns, not even half of Hester's.

Rossum has a grand total of 8...still not close to Hester.

Hall has 12....he's closest, this I'll give you....but his were still bunched around abour 2-3 years in the early part of his career.

And the biggest kicker? All of them took more games and more attempts to total numbers that are lower than what Hester has done!

Piss off dude.
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(giving him a round of applause).....Congratulations you know how to google stats. Just because you came at me with numbers doesnt mean your right dumb ****. Im not saying they had more returns than Hester, my argument was that their more fun to watch and it was harder to do it back then.
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Randel El has 6 career returns, not even half of Hester's.

Rossum has a grand total of 8...still not close to Hester.

Hall has 12....he's closest, this I'll give you....but his were still bunched around abour 2-3 years in the early part of his career.

And the biggest kicker? All of them took more games and more attempts to total numbers that are lower than what Hester has done!

Piss off dude.
Hester's aren't? The majority are the first two seasons.

I'm just playing devil's advocate there though. Hall is definitely the only person who comes close out of that list. Rossum didn't even have multiple return tds in a season.

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Awesome achievement.

On a side note, that was just terrible coverage by the Vikings. How were so many guys not even near him to begin with, did they not see Hester moving across for the ball? It's like they just kept running straight ahead.
Yeah, that was a pretty boring kick return.
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Hester's aren't? The majority are the first two seasons.

I'm just playing devil's advocate there though. Hall is definitely the only person who comes close out of that list. Rossum didn't even have multiple return tds in a season.
He did blow up big his first two years, but he's right back to form now that we've reduced his offensive workload at WR.

Let me go back to my original point before I was distracted by our most recent designated troll, I don't think he should be in if his numbers stay the same as they are now. The record is great, but he needs to really set the bar ridiculously high to be HoF worthy in my opinion. If he continues at his current pace, he'll get there.
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I've watched some ridiculous returners, Tyrone Hughes, Michael Lewis, Reggie Bush in spurts, other guys players like Hall, Deion, Eric Metcalf, Jermaine Lewis, etc, but Hester is just ridiculous.

Like Beer Baron said, check his attempts to Td ratio, dude is dynamite.

True game changer, and doesn't get enough credit for how valuable he is, he totally wins you the field position game by himself when he's out there, and if the other team wants to challenge that, he'll break your back totally.
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(giving him a round of applause).....Congratulations you know how to google stats. Just because you came at me with numbers doesnt mean your right dumb ****. Im not saying they had more returns than Hester, my argument was that their more fun to watch and it was harder to do it back then.
If anything it was easier back then, with wedges being aloud on kickoffs in all.
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You know all about wedges huh? Dicks getting wedged in your tight ass. Its just a more organized block the covermen were meaner and tougher a "Wedge" didnt stop them fool!
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Don't feed the troll guys. He'll go away soon.
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ummm did anyone else see a Vikings player run on the field from the bench/sideline around the 15 second mark?

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the problem is that those game are not as much game changers. I mean Eric Metcalf had 351 Punt returns. he had 10 Punt Returns for a TD, that means ever 35 returns he had 1 TD. Hester has 73 Punt Returns with 10 Punt return TDs. He has one ever 7 Returns. that is huge. He also averages 2 more yards than Metcalf per return and 8 more per Kickoff return.
What? Hester has 175 punt returns, not 73.


He absolutely is not deserving of the Hall of Fame. Returners don't impact the game enough to deserve consideration.
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I think Hester does impact the game more than some guys who are currently in, but there is such a back log of really good players that anyone that isn't a shoo in is going to be hard pressed to get in.
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ah i misread, it was 73 games compared to 223 games
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ah i misread, it was 73 games compared to 223 games
I thought your number looked a little low, but his TD per attempt ratio is still dynamite.
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You can't ignore the importance of good field position. Even when he doesn't bust loose, he puts the offense in a position where they're almost in field goal range when they get the ball. I don't think the Bears would have got to the Super Bowl without him.
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Originally Posted by P-L View Post
What? Hester has 175 punt returns, not 73.


He absolutely is not deserving of the Hall of Fame. Returners don't impact the game enough to deserve consideration.
Normally, I'd agree with this statement 100,000,000%. But I think Hester is the rare exception to that rule. He absolutely impacts the game that much.

I don't think it's any coincidence that the Bears are NFC North winners once again now that they scaled back his offensive responsibilities and had him focus on returning.
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