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Vince Young 15 34.09%
Carson Palmer 16 36.36%
Donovan McNabb 13 29.55%
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Default re-tread QB in 2011-15: Palmer, McNabb, or Young

Let's say you got a decent team next year going forward for the next few years, but you're missing a QB. Perhaps a team like the Vikings with some good offensive pieces.

Which of these QBs do you want to pin your hopes on?
For real. And justify why your guy is your guy.

-Carson Palmer
-Donovan McNabb
-Vince Young

What's funny is a year ago, Vick could have been in a poll like this, and he might not have won it.

Sorry if there's already a poll of these 3 QBs, I can't find it.
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are you that bored? NONE OF THE ABOVE!
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Another one you don't find interesting yet you take the time to click in, and reply and post. Thanks for playing.

There are 3 threads started by me on page one, with a total of 15,000 views. That's not my problem.

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Palmer with a change of scenery will be a pro bowler again. If he's healthy.
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I'll take Vince Young. He just needs a new start somewhere else. McNabb is getting old and I don't like how Carson Palmer rehabbed his elbow.
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I would have to say Young.He has the biggest chance of making his career to make the play offs with a good team possibly like 49ers can make a good run .Very tall , accurate and great mobility . He could make it there I think and his arm strength as well .
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I'm taking Young. He's younger, took better care of the ball this past season, and was better in the redzone than the others. He's also the only guy who has his best football ahead of him, in my opinion. The HC that puts his full support behind him will be rewarded.
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You say that like Palmer's arm isn't completely shot and there's a chance for him to ever be healthy again.
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Ewww... Where's the none of the above option?
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For all the Palmer bashing (and I'm as guilty as everyone...I've blasted the guy all year), the Bengals did him absolutely no favors. Last year they went to the playoffs by running the ball and playing solid defense. This year, they went from winning ugly to losing pretty. They abandoned the run too early and too often and Palmer got exposed (albeit, their defense didn't help the cause). This last week, TO went down and they fed Cedric Benson. Surprise! They won!

I think he can still be a guy that can caretake an extremely talented team to the playoffs if you keep the ball out of his hand as much as humanly possible. That said, you're never going to win anything of value to him.

Also, Pudge was saying the Bengals will never cut him because Mike Brown is too cheap, but that makes no sense whatsoever. Palmer's due somewhere between $9-11 million next year. What cheap owner would pay an extremely mediocre quarterback around $10 million?
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Put Palmer in Tennessee and they will win the division.

Put VY anywhere, I'll buy tickets just to go boo him and watch him throw a hissy fit on the field.

McNabb just sucks post Super Bowl his a bigger baby than VY. He's not even the most disrespected QB on his own team and he cries like he does.
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Also, Pudge was saying the Bengals will never cut him because Mike Brown is too cheap, but that makes no sense whatsoever. Palmer's due somewhere between $9-11 million next year. What cheap owner would pay an extremely mediocre quarterback around $10 million?
Except when you cut a guy under contract you're going to take a cap hit relative to his salary & contract.

Pay $9-11 mil for a starting QB or take a big $7-8 mil cap hit just to get rid of the guy? As I said, Mike Brown is too cheap to take a cap hit for players he can use. Plus, if he keeps Palmer it keeps him from having to pay a rookie QB huge guaranteed money before the league puts a rookie salary scale in place. He's cheap, Palmer's been his guy, it makes sense.

You're much more likely to see the Bengals keep Palmer and make Chad & T.O. former Bengals. Then with that said, the team will probably either target one of the top receivers or a defensive player.
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Except when you cut a guy under contract you're going to take a cap hit relative to his salary & contract.

Pay $9-11 mil for a starting QB or take a big $7-8 mil cap hit just to get rid of the guy? .
Bengals save the whole contract, no cap hit.
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Very interesting how contrasting some strong opinions are on Palmer and Young.
I suspect a year ago, it would have been the same with Vick.

And when the Giants disposed of Warner and the Cardinals grabbed him... who knew he still had greatness in him yet?

I thought Young was the highest rated passer after about 6 games this year, plus of course he can run.

Palmer... he beat my Packers last year so I can't really rip him too much, but something's wrong in Cinci I do know that. I think it starts at the top though, Mike Brown and Marvin's Garden?
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I gotcha. I can't say I'm anything close to an expert on contracts. I always kind of figured cutting Carson would come with a cost. I'm not sure it really changes my opinion on his future with the team though.

With a good OL and competent, dedicated receivers... not to mention a decent coach & offensive coordinator... Carson could still be a decent starting Quarterback I think. It's really a shame, I don't think any Bengals fan can honestly say we know what we've got in him because our coaching, WR play, and pass-blocking has been so poor/inconsistent. He's been far from sharp, but if the team helped him out a bit he could still play game-manager like he did last season.

I think Palmer has shown more this season than Kurt Warner had upon his exit from New York. I don't think his arm is nearly as shot as some here believe it to be. He still has a pretty strong arm, but it's obviously not what it was coming out of college or in 2005, the prime of his career.

Out of the three listed, I'd still take Carson.
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Yeah, the cap hit is the remaining portion of any prorated bonuses a player has already earned. At least that's what it was the last time I checked.
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If Palmer goes, you basically have to draft a QB with a top 5 pick and pay him to sell any tickets in Cincinnati.

Cincinnati doesn't always have the most loyal fans. If you don't put a team out there, we won't show up (by we, I don't mean me specifically, but just the city). Not that it isn't justified, I mean Mike Brown was the fastest owner to 200 loses which we had to endure over the last 20 years.

So either pay Palmer his ~10 million, or draft a rookie and pay them 10~ million. I guess if you do that, then you're not paying for Palmer PLUS another rookie, but I still doubt Mike Brown will cut Palmer.

Honestly though, if Palmer goes somewhere else, I hope he turns it on again. I want nothing less than a great end to his career, and I'd love for him to prove himself under a better managed team than the Bengals.

Also, slightly off topic, but if we do cut Palmer I wanna draft Cam Newton. I don't care if he's the best value or too risky of a pick, because at least he'll be interesting for the next 2 years. So sick of watching a terrible offense fail with no hope for the future. Guys like Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell haven't done anything yet. We haven't seen Bernard Scott show the ability to dethrone Cedric Benson either. Andre Smith is up and down, mostly down and will probably never live up to his draft pick. Jermaine Gresham is the only hope for the future, and what good is a TE with nothing around him.
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They could just cut Palmer and then run the football with Benson. 30+ touches a game. Play some smash-mouth defense and win the Super Bowl a la the 2000 Ravens.
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But their defense is far, far, from the 2000 Ravens.

I'm surprised at the numbers here of Young vs McNabb.
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Except when you cut a guy under contract you're going to take a cap hit relative to his salary & contract.

Pay $9-11 mil for a starting QB or take a big $7-8 mil cap hit just to get rid of the guy? As I said, Mike Brown is too cheap to take a cap hit for players he can use. Plus, if he keeps Palmer it keeps him from having to pay a rookie QB huge guaranteed money before the league puts a rookie salary scale in place. He's cheap, Palmer's been his guy, it makes sense.

You're much more likely to see the Bengals keep Palmer and make Chad & T.O. former Bengals. Then with that said, the team will probably either target one of the top receivers or a defensive player.
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The last, and not so far fetched scenario, would be a straight release. Of the money remaining on the contract, it is not guaranteed. The last of the $9 million option bonus was paid this year and the last of the $15 million roster bonus was paid last year. He is due a $1 million roster bonus each season from 2012-14, but that is not guaranteed.

Palmer's base salary is $11.5 million next season and 2012, $13 million in '13 and $14 million in '14.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/A...Carson-Palmer-

Dude's getting released unless he takes a big pay cut.
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I think he can still be a guy that can caretake an extremely talented team to the playoffs if you keep the ball out of his hand as much as humanly possible. That said, you're never going to win anything of value to him.
my luck, the niners will not fire Singletary, not draft a guy like Mallett or Locker, and instead bring in Carson Palmer.
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trent dilfer and kurt warner both made big impacts on very successful teams after they were "done." Seems like too many people are picking vy cause he's young... madden generation.
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Also, slightly off topic, but if we do cut Palmer I wanna draft Cam Newton. I don't care if he's the best value or too risky of a pick, because at least he'll be interesting for the next 2 years. So sick of watching a terrible offense fail with no hope for the future. Guys like Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell haven't done anything yet. We haven't seen Bernard Scott show the ability to dethrone Cedric Benson either. Andre Smith is up and down, mostly down and will probably never live up to his draft pick. Jermaine Gresham is the only hope for the future, and what good is a TE with nothing around him.
I'll agree with this. It'd be a real shame if we lost Carson this season and had to throw Newton in as the starting QB next season, I really thing it'd be setting Cam (and the Bengals) up for failure. I'm a Newton fan but I think the situation in Cincy is less than ideal for starting his career.

I can't imagine Andre Smith won't at the very least be more useful than he has been, the key there will be a healthy & dedicated training camp/offseason. He just really needs time to get up to speed. Gresham could be a great one and I have high hopes for Jordan Shipley after he found so much success this season. I like the possibility of a receiver like Michael Floyd or Maryland's Torrey Smith at the top of the second, or perhaps they'd be best adding the best available lineman.

Like you, I'm sick of watching this boring, predictable offense which has little to no chemistry even on its good days. Personnel needs to be changed upstairs and on the field.

At least Carlos Dunlap doesn't look to be a bust with 7 sacks in 10 games. He's been the most pleasant surprise of this entire season.
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