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Old 12-24-2010, 08:29 PM    (permalink
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Who cares whether Mike Vick is coming back from a self-imposed hiatus??

What if MV was an alcoholic or drug addict who cleaned himself up and performed at a pro bowl level upon his return??

Would that be more acceptable??


Being locked up in a federal prison for 2 years should have decapitated Vick's career and regulated him to permanent backup status.
Instead, two years out of prison, Vick is better than he's ever been.

If he doesn't win Comeback Player Of The Year, who should???

For my money, I'd take Staubach/Warner/Moon as the NFL's greatest comebacks, with a slight edge for Moon.
Probably, seeing as how he didn't murder animals in that scenario.
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It's a pretty amazing come back story, he totally deserves come back player of the year.

Nah dude... then it would be fixed........
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Mike Vick is amazing and he served his time for what he did, but I still don't feel sorry for him. You can bring up Stallworth or whatever but what Vick did was wrong no matter ho you slice it and I don't really have any sympathy for him. He has been playing unbelievable and I have always been a fan of what he can do on the field but it is ******* stupid how people are so quick to forgive and feel sorry for him.
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How is his hiatus self imposed? The dude didn't choose to go to jail. And yes, this has to be the best comeback ever. Going to jail for two years and then coming back 10x better than you were? Kurt Warner's story really isn't a comeback, because he wasn't anything before he "came back". But Vick, NFL superstar--who some were calling a bust and would never be a decent passer, arrested and goes to jail, then comes back and is in contention for the MVP award? Best comeback ever.
So...who forced the guy to become the Hitler to the canine world's Jews?

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Michael Vick killed dogs and got 18 months. Dante Stallworth got 30 days in jail for manslaughter. Don't give me "self-imposed hiatus" ********.
Straw man. Vick didn't accidentally kill all of those dogs, and Stallworth didn't kill that guy on purpose.

He's playing well. It is what it is. He should count his lucky stars that he got another chance and is about to get paid. He should NOT be given awards for it. "Hey, man. Not everyone could kill a whole grip of dogs in sick, twisted ways despite knowing how wrong it is and then come back to make that cheddar. Good job, bro. The way you pulled that off is truly inspiring. Here's a plaque."

B.S.

Just give the award to someone who was injured last year and is successful this year. That's who should get it every year.

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As if I didn't have enough reasons to dislike him already, he's going to rip the award from Mike Williams.
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I just can't wait til Tebow wins the sportsman award because he's MOTHER F***ing TIM TEBOW, you don't F*** WITH MOTHER F***ING TIM TEBOW!!! and ya know... all that god stuff.

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As if I didn't have enough reasons to dislike him already, he's going to rip the award from Mike Williams.
That's another guy I can't see giving it to. He basically ate his way out of the NFL. Coming back from twinkies and gallons of gravy doesn't do it for me.

My vote goes to either Urlacher or EJ Henderson.
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That's another guy I can't see giving it to. He basically ate his way out of the NFL. Coming back from twinkies and gallons of gravy doesn't do it for me.

My vote goes to either Urlacher or EJ Henderson.
He probably wouldn't have won it anyway. The award always goes to a high-profile player who returns from an injury. I could have seen them giving it to Welker.
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Deion Branch has a chance too, but Mike Williams probably has him beat as far as WR's are concerned.
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Dogs are cute and all, but I still am blown away by just how much people flipped their **** about Mike Vick. Especially when you have murderers still playing in the NFL, Stallworth, Leonard Little, Ray Lew...in summation Dogs < People, ergo Mike Vick > any of the murders who've played in the NFL.
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That's another guy I can't see giving it to. He basically ate his way out of the NFL. Coming back from twinkies and gallons of gravy doesn't do it for me.

My vote goes to either Urlacher or EJ Henderson.
Usually I agree with you on many things my fellow Bears fan...but on this I do not.

Players get injured every year and come back from them. Both those guys are doing well, but Mike Vick well? No.

Michael Vick may have taken some wrong turns with his life, but that should not discredit what he has had to do and what he is doing now. Not many NFL players can come back after being out of the NFL for a year or two in jail. Especially at the QB position. And then to take advantage of the opprotunities like he has and to play at the level he has been playing at? Huge comeback.

It's not only the performance, but it is also his re-inventing himself. He is a different QB than he was in ATL, he is playing like the QB everyone thought he would be.

Coming back to the NFL better than before is enough to warrant CBPoY for me.
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Dogs are cute and all, but I still am blown away by just how much people flipped their **** about Mike Vick. Especially when you have murderers still playing in the NFL, Stallworth, Leonard Little, Ray Lew...in summation Dogs < People, ergo Mike Vick > any of the murders who've played in the NFL.
I agree with the fact that Lewis/Little/Stallworth are criminals, but it still doesn't make what Vick did right. He ****** up and paid his time, but the fact that he served his time and is back on the field shouldn't make him a feel good story. He is still a criminal, I love him as a player but that doesn't change my opinion on him as a person.
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I agree with the fact that Lewis/Little/Stallworth are criminals, but it still doesn't make what Vick did right. He ****** up and paid his time, but the fact that he served his time and is back on the field shouldn't make him a feel good story. He is still a criminal, I love him as a player but that doesn't change my opinion on him as a person.
What should make a feel good story, the same tired underdog finally makes it crap that we've been spoon fed since we were kids? Mike Vick ****** up really badly and did something disgusting. But unlike guys like Little, who's murdered 2 people, one after having already murdered a person, he learned his lesson and took that motivation to turn his life around and become something to aspire to. Not Mike Vick the dog killer, but Mike Vick the comeback player of the year and potential league MVP is certainly something kids should be inspired by. It's what americans **** their brains out over, someone getting a second chance and re-creating themselves to take advantage. He is a criminal, but the NFL has a lot worse people in this league than Vick, hell I'd even argue Big Ben is a bigger scumbag than Vick, and what he's done since his release is incredible. People who are actually reformed by prison instead of indoctrinated should be commended and Mike Vick is one such example.

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I don't think Little should have been allowed to keep playing either.

The sad thing is that these guys are role models for kids.
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I don't think Little should have been allowed to keep playing either.

The sad thing is that these guys are role models for kids.
No the sad thing is that the level of parenting in this country is so awful that these guys are role models for ANY kids.
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How would it justify the #1 pick? He isn't with the Falcons anymore, he busted for them regardless of what he does now.

I don't particularly feel right giving Vick the comeback player award. He isn't actually coming back from anything but his own stupidity and disregard for the Law, not to mention that he came back last year and not this year.

Personally I think the comeback awards should be reserved more for overcoming injury or if you were forced into service or something similar to that, I'd rather see the award go to someone who has overcome adversity or done something to contribute to society rather than rewarding people for making awful decisions and then getting a second chance, for me the second chance is their reward.

Might just be me though...
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Dogs are cute and all, but I still am blown away by just how much people flipped their **** about Mike Vick. Especially when you have murderers still playing in the NFL, Stallworth, Leonard Little, Ray Lew...in summation Dogs < People, ergo Mike Vick > any of the murders who've played in the NFL.
This is another straw man. None of us are advocating Stallworth, Little, or Lewis for CBPotY, and none of us are clamoring for Vick to be thrown out. We just don't want to give the guy an award for doing disgusting, scumbag things. If he were this season's MVP (he's not), I'd say "ok, give him the MVP award." The MVP award has nothing to do with how much of a dirtbag you are.

He didn't overcome any kind of adversity. He just stopped killing things. That's not that big of an accomplishment. I've gone every day of my life without killing things. Where's my plaque?
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You shouldnt be rewarded for having to come back from going to jail because you ran a death ring.
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He didn't overcome any kind of adversity. He just stopped killing things. That's not that big of an accomplishment. I've gone every day of my life without killing things. Where's my plaque?
18 months in prison where he got exercise for at most 60 minutes a day! To come back from that with, what seems like, not losing a step at all is ridiculous. Let alone to play in the NFL and become a potential MVP candidate is pretty much impossible.
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Deion Branch has a chance too, but Mike Williams probably has him beat as far as WR's are concerned.
What exactly is Deion Branch coming back from? Not having Tom Brady as his quarterback?
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What exactly is Deion Branch coming back from? Not having Tom Brady as his quarterback?
Obscurity. Not saying he's going to win but he went from Super Bowl MVP to nothing, now he's playing very well again. So yes, Brady.
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18 months in prison where he got exercise for at most 60 minutes a day! To come back from that with, what seems like, not losing a step at all is ridiculous. Let alone to play in the NFL and become a potential MVP candidate is pretty much impossible.
That was the consequence for his actions. He's overcoming being a moron. Not something you honor.
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Dogs are cute and all, but I still am blown away by just how much people flipped their **** about Mike Vick. Especially when you have murderers still playing in the NFL, Stallworth, Leonard Little, Ray Lew...in summation Dogs < People, ergo Mike Vick > any of the murders who've played in the NFL.
While I obviously agree humans are greater than dogs, and the PETA people piss me off quite often, Ray was never proven of anything. If anything he had knowledge of a murder that he kept quiet. And what Stallworth and Little did was wreckless to the highest degree, and not premeditated. Neither of them should be in the league. However I still think what Vick did was more heinous than anyone. They systematic murder by drowning, electricution, and hanging of several dogs is something only someone really evil could do. I would like to think I don't know anyone who could be that evil. However I do know people who have been stupid enough to drive drunk, including myself, just thankfully haven't hurt themselves or others.

And that argument that he has the right to earn a living after jail drives me crazy. Yes he has the right. But he can go work at Walmart. Any regular person who is convicted of a felon doesn't just go back to their old job after their time in prison.

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Definitely the greatest comeback of all time. He came back even better than when he left. I could care less what he does with his property in his private time.
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