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Old 01-24-2011, 04:14 PM    (permalink
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sorry, just saw he tweeted that he played through 2 MCL tears, didn't look anything specific up. Didn't think Bruce Gradkowski would lie to me.
I wouldn't believe it either. It does say he tore one, kept playing and then tore the other. But he just didn't finish the game.

Also, I think people are all missing the real point here and that is that Caleb Hanie is the truth. Bears fans of course knew this, but our staff and front office apparently felt that Todd Collins was a necessary signing just before the season, and then an even more necessary play in the NFCCG after he lit the world on fire in his appearances/start earlier in the season...
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I tore my MCL. It hurts like hell. It actually hurts a lot more once you stop playing, I guess the blood just rushes to that area and you get this big knot on your knee and you can't put any weight on it.

I can see why he couldn't play afterwards. The key that everyone is forgetting is that they couldn't shoot him up with pain killers bc of his diabetes. HUGE difference between him and other players for that reason alone.

Would I have played? Probably. It was unbearable pain when I first hurt it, it felt like my knee was shot off. But after 5 minutes it got ok and with my adrenaline pumping, I was able to walk but I couldn't cut or run or put any weight on it.

If he wanted it bad enough, he could have played on it. But at the same time, he did go back in the game and give it a go, but he was largely ineffective so it's not like he didn't try.
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And don't compare this to Rivers. Rivers had a whole week to rehab, get the ACL removed and get injected with a ton of pain killers before he went back out there. This was a different circumstance, this was mid game.

And for the record, while I applaud Rivers for his courage, let's not forget that he had a horrible game. In fact, a strong argument could be made that had Rivers actually sat out of that game, they might have won it, bc the defense was owning Brady.
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And don't compare this to Rivers. Rivers had a whole week to rehab, get the ACL removed and get injected with a ton of pain killers before he went back out there. This was a different circumstance, this was mid game.

And for the record, while I applaud Rivers for his courage, let's not forget that he had a horrible game. In fact, a strong argument could be made that had Rivers actually sat out of that game, they might have won it, bc the defense was owning Brady.
And Billy Volek came in when Rivers went out, and won, the week before.
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And don't compare this to Rivers. Rivers had a whole week to rehab, get the ACL removed and get injected with a ton of pain killers before he went back out there. This was a different circumstance, this was mid game.

And for the record, while I applaud Rivers for his courage, let's not forget that he had a horrible game. In fact, a strong argument could be made that had Rivers actually sat out of that game, they might have won it, bc the defense was owning Brady.
Don't talk this nonsense, it's far more important for a QB to flex his machismo than it is for him to reasonably evaluate how effective he could be with an injury.
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Cutler should have sold his injury better IMO.

There's a reason why those wussy international soccer players get all the love when they're faking injuries to stall for time or hope for a red card against an opponent; gotta roll on the ground like a little ***** and make the fans FEEL your pain!!
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Drew Brees tore his own MCL just to give other teams a chance.
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The thing is, this is not the only team Jay Cutler's leadership and character has been questioned. This just really breaks the line, especially in the NFC Championship game. I've heard many times that analysts and scouts questioned his leadership ability as well.
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Speaking of Philip Rivers he actually defended Cutler -

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...-cutlers-pain/

HOLY *** WHAT A DOUCHE. **** PHILIP RIVERS!!!!

Hopefully this will be enough for Cutler to grow up and put his stupid jealousy and bitterness towards Rivers away.

My opinion is that if he's injured he's injured. I'm pretty sure he got hurt on the play with 2 minutes left in the half when he was sacked by Sam Shields. He was bent awkwardly and got up as if he hurt his knee.

If you want to criticize anything, he was playing awful football when he was healthy, he could not recognize a blitz until it was literally right on top of him. Probably the worst QB in the NFL at reading the blitz.
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so you'd call beerbaron a *****, too? i mean, in the championship week thread, he mentioned that knocking his kneecap out of place was horrifically painful and kept him out of the game. meanwhile, i dislocated both of mine on back to back plays and didn't miss more than two plays.

or, you know, maybe knees are complicated joints and reporting it as an MCL sprain doesn't tell you all you need to know.

but since you're probably a medical professional, i'll just take your word for it. i mean, he's clearly a ***** because you said he's a *****. case closed, eh?

let me know when you've actually spent more than .00238 seconds thinking about something before spewing it out and posting it and we can continue this discussion. until then, moronic, poorly thought out comparisons are STILL moronic and poorly thought out.
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Regardless if the injury was severe enough I don't think that Cutler isn't going to rebound well from this. I don't think that this will be the reason for it all but I think that it shortens his rope in people's mind so to speak. He could have avoided so much of this ******** if he had left the sideline. Don't let the cameras track your every move, or lack thereof.

Fun fact: Steve Smith finished a game in college with a fractured vertebrate. True Story.
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But did he play behind the bear o-line?

But in seriousness what was the grade level of Cutlers MCL sprain?
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Cutler actually went out for another series and played and realized he wouldnt help the team if he stayed in with the injury. I hope some people know that
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Cutler should have sold his injury better IMO.

There's a reason why those wussy international soccer players get all the love when they're faking injuries to stall for time or hope for a red card against an opponent; gotta roll on the ground like a little ***** and make the fans FEEL your pain!!
He shouldnt have to. Say what you want about his body language but how can you question his toughness. He's as tough as they come. The fact that morons think him getting pulled by the trainers makes him less tough or less cool is idiotic.
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But did he play behind the bear o-line?

But in seriousness what was the grade level of Cutlers MCL sprain?
A grade two.
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Regardless if the injury was severe enough I don't think that Cutler isn't going to rebound well from this. I don't think that this will be the reason for it all but I think that it shortens his rope in people's mind so to speak. He could have avoided so much of this ******** if he had left the sideline. Don't let the cameras track your every move, or lack thereof.

Fun fact: Steve Smith finished a game in college with a fractured vertebrate. True Story.
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Cutler actually went out for another series and played and realized he wouldnt help the team if he stayed in with the injury. I hope some people know that

He knew Todd Collins would rise to the occasion.
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Todd Collins could have been playing with his eyes closed for all we know.
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Anyone who is calling Jay's toughness into question is a complete moron. Back in the Vandy days he was literally beaten to a pulp after almost every single drop back.. Chicago's line is terrible, but if he didn't quit then I doubt he would quit now.
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I think we've established that a torn or sprained MCL is a very painful injury and may have inhibited Cutler's ability to play, and that despite this it was the NFC championship game two quarters away from super bowl and he could still walk and use his legs. There's really no point in arguing beyond this.
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Why should he have to leave the sidelines? Hanie said himself that Cutler was helping him.
Because he served no purpose being there and because of him staying there this entire **** storm has brewed. He is a captain and he didn't act like one at all.

Oh, and remember when you said there wasn't any drama?
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Because he served no purpose being there and because of him staying there this entire **** storm has brewed. He is a captain and he didn't act like one at all.

Oh, and remember when you said there wasn't any drama?
he wouldve acted like it by staying away not helping when he couldve?
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You Bears fan are hilarious. Cutler attitude, heart, soul, and drive have always been called into question.The Broncos org and fans were saying for years that Cutler was mentally weak.

Hes the type of guy that will never put the blame on his shoulders. He put down his teammates in Denver and he quit on his team in the NFC title game.

If I was a bears fan and had to see his doofus expression on the sideline I would question him and if he really is the guy that can lead the team next year.
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I think we've established that a torn or sprained MCL is a very painful injury and may have inhibited Cutler's ability to play, and that despite this it was the NFC championship game two quarters away from super bowl and he could still walk and use his legs. There's really no point in arguing beyond this.
Then why are you arguing the fact that the coaches took him out? Cutler didnt take himself out. You're bashing the Bears trainers for not allowing a player with a torn MCL to continue playing?
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Once, in his rookie year in Denver, 45 minutes before a game, surefire Hall of Fame safety John Lynch was trying to explain something to Cutler about NFL pass coverage. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Lynch. He was texting.

"Man, I'm trying to talk to you!" Lynch protested.

Didn't help. Cutler was all thumbs, head down. Finally, Lynch slapped the phone out of Cutler's hands, smashing it to the floor.

One time, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan thought it would be helpful for Cutler and Broncos legend John Elway to have lunch. Let Cutler drink in some of Elway's experience.

The three of them sat down at a Denver steak joint. Elway, polite as ever, tried to impart some wisdom. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Elway. He wasn't looking at Shanahan, either. He was looking at the TV. The whole time. With his baseball cap on backward. All the way through dessert. Elway did not leave impressed.

This guy will never win anything in the NFL.
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