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I have started looking at the various prospects that I want to have an eye on for next years draft.

We will have answers to the key questions going into the season such as whether players like Eli, JPP and Beatty can rebound.

Looking at our free agents, we have a lot of solid depth at most positions.

Without further ado, which positions do you think will be the biggest needs heading into next year?

My take is that our needs are likely to be (in order): DE, OL, S, TE and LB with CB and QB possibilities.

So which prospects do you like?
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Ok so here are 20 guys that I am initially watching for next year.
(This includes info from walterfootball.com)

QB

Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.76.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
5/24/14: Over three seasons as a starter Mannion has improved his passing skills. Mannion lit up defenses in the Pac 12 in 2013 as he completed 66.3 percent of his passes for 4,662 yards with 37 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. Mannion needs to improve his anticipation. He started the season strong before having some ugly games in November against USC, Arizona State and Washington. He is prone to hold on to the ball too long as he took 25 sacks as a junior and 24 sacks as a freshman (12 as a sophomore). In 2012 Mannion completed 65 percent of his passes for 2,446 yards with 15 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. He became the Beavers' starting quarterback in 2011. The redshirt freshman completed 65 percent of his passes for 3,328 yards with 16 touchdowns and 18 interceptions.


It is worth noting that current Giants QB Coach Danny Langsdorf was the Offensive Coordinator and QB Coach at Oregon State.

RB

Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia
Height: 6-1. Weight: 232.
Projected 40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round (2015): 1.
5/24/14: Todd Gurley has the physical skill set to be a dominant runner. He has a great burst with speed to go along with size and power. Georgia has lost quarterback Aaron Murray to the NFL, so Gurley should be the bell cow of the Bulldogs' offense in 2014. For him to end the streak of running backs not going on Thursday night, much less a high first-rounder, he needs to prove as a junior that durability is not a concern. There is no doubt that Gurley is a special runner with his quickness to break away from defenders and his power to run over them. When healthy, Gurley was awesome in 2013. He averaged six yards per carry for 989 yards and 10 touchdowns. The sophomore also had 30 receptions for 344 yards and five touchdowns. Gurley was phenomenal against South Carolina (30-132) and Clemson (12-154) before getting injured. He missed three games and played well after returning to the lineup. Alabama's T.J. Yeldon wasn't the only freshman running back to burst onto the scene in the SEC in 2012. Gurley had a superb debut to lead the Bulldogs' ground game. He averaged 6.2 yards per carry while totaling 1,385 yards with 17 touchd owns. Gurley ran for 122 yards on 22 carries with two touchdowns against Alabama in the SEC Championship.


TE

Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State
Height: 6-0. Weight: 180.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
5/24/14: Greene (6-0, 180) was the Seminoles' leading receiver during their championship run in 2013. He is a very reliable and clutch receiver to move the chains. It was clear that Greene was Jameis Winston's favorite receiver and most trusted wide out. Greene put on display excellent hands and route-running. He totaled 76 receptions for 1,128 yards and nine touchdowns for the season. Greene was the Seminoles' leading receiver as a sophomore and freshman, too. He caught 57 passes for 741 yards with six touchdowns in 2012 and 38 balls for 596 yards and seven touchdowns in 2011. Greene has the talent to produce more, but Florida State spread the ball around. He could see more targets from Winston in 2014 now the Kelvin Benjamin is in the NFL.

TE

Tyler Kroft, TE, Rutgers
Height: 6-6. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2015): 2-4.
6/1/14: Kroft was a backup as a freshman, but he brokeout in 2013 by hauling in 43 receptions for 573 yards and four touchdowns. Kroft has good height and length to him with some quickness. If he fills out his frame, he'll likely improve as a blocker.

OL

La'el Collins, G/OT, LSU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 315.
Projected 40 Time: 5.40.
Projected Round (2015): 1.
5/31/14: Collins played left tackle for the Tigers in 2013 and was extremely impressive. Quarterback Zach Mettenberger was protected extremely well by Collins, and the big lineman did well in run defense. Collins played well against Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M and Iowa. In the ground game he got a lot of movement and showed the ability to be a plus run blocker as a left tackle. Running back Jeremy Hill had a lot of success running behind him. The SEC coaches made Collins a second-team All-SEC selection in his first season at left tackle. Collins has upside to develop. In 2012 he started 13 games at left guard and was an honorable mention All-SEC Selection. Collins was an impressive power run-blocker and helped the Tigers' stable of backs move the ball. Collins has some road-grading potential and really improved his pass protection as a junior.

Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa
Height: 6-5. Weight: 320.
Projected 40 Time: 5.26.
Projected Round (2015): 1-3.
5/31/14: Scherff was one of the top tackles in the Big Ten in 2013. Iowa has produced a lot of good NFL prospects on the offensive line, and Scherff is the latest Hawkeye to be an early-round prospect. He could fit as a power-man or zone blocker. Scherff has the feet and agility to move well as a pass-protector. He is very good in the ground game, too. Scherff's returning school to possibly improve as a senior will give him a much better shot at being a first-round pick.

Sean Hickey, OT, Syracuse
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
Projected 40 Time: 5.20.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
5/31/14: Hickey did well in his first season on the blind side in 2013. Syracuse moved Hickey over to left tackle with Justin Pugh moving on to the NFL. As a player Hickey is similar to Pugh in that he is a good pass protector that relies on technique over strength to be effective in the ground game. Hickey played the first four games of the 2012 season at left tackle while Pugh was out with an injury and did an admirable job protecting Ryan Nassib. Following Pugh's return, Hickey moved to right tackle for the remainder of that season.

Tre Jackson, G, Florida State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 327.
Projected 40 Time: 5.33.
Projected Round (2014): 2-3.
5/31/14: Jackson played well for the Seminoles in 2013, although Pittsburgh defensive tackle Aaron Donald had some success with Florida State's interior linemen. Florida's tackles gave Jackson some problems as well. Overall, Jackson did a good job of protecting Jameis Winston and opening up holes in the ground game. Jackson's run blocking is ahead of his pass protection, and he also needs to improve his ability to handle speed rushers. Jackson broke into the starting lineup at right guard in 2012. The true sophomore was a tough run-blocker for the Seminoles. He is a powerful lineman who can move defensive linemen and open up holes in the ground. Jackson has nice agility and movement skills for a big lineman. Florida State has good coaching for the offensive line and has done a nice job of developing him.

Josue Matias, G, Florida State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 331.
Projected 40 Time: 5.35.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
5/31/14: In 2013, Matias had his second-straight quality season for the Seminoles. As the starter at left guard, he did a good job of run blocking and was generally reliable as a pass-rusher. The senior should improve on the latter in 2014. Handling speed rushers is his biggest area for improvement. According to the Seminoles, Matias' average grade of 78.5 percent ranked third on the team. Matias broke into the starting lineup in 2012. The sophomore started every game and was impressive as a run-blocker. He could stand to improve his pass protection. That season Matias struggled with Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd. Matias could move up in the rankings during 2014.


DE

Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska
Height: 6-6. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2015): 1.
6/7/14: Gregory was one of the breakout stars of the Big Ten in 2013. The speedy edge rusher was an immediate problem for offenses as he made a lot of plays behind the line of scrimmage. Gregory also has some strength to shed blocks. He is an excellent pursuit defender with closing speed and agility. Gregory was a beast for Nebraska in 2013. The sophomore had just 10 starts, yet racked up 66 tackles with 19 tackles for a loss, 10.5 sacks, one pass batted and an interception. His freshman season saw him dominate the junior college ranks.

Shilique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 257.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2015): 1.
6/7/14: Calhoun broke out in 2013 as one of the top players on Michigan State's superb defense. He racked up 37 tackles with 14 tackles for a loss, 7.5 sacks, two forced fumbles and an interception on the season, and was the Big Ten Defensive Lineman of the Year. Calhoun has a nice burst off the edge and the agility to get into the backfield. The speed rusher needs to add some weight for the NFL if he's going to stay at defensive end, but he looks like a nice fit as a 3-4 outside linebacker. Calhoun should be even better as a junior in 2014 after a year of starting experience and developing his body in the offseason.

Dante Fowler Jr., DE, Florida
Height: 6-3. Weight: 277.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2015): 1-2.
6/7/14: Even though Florida had an awful 2013 season, Fowler was excellent for the Gators. He showed his special ability early on in the season with a sack-fumble against Tennessee left tackle Antonio Richardson. Fowler racked up 50 tackles with 10.5 tackles for a loss, 3.5 sacks, one pass batted and three forced fumbles for the season. He was more disruptive and put more heat on the quarterback than the numbers indicate. The sophomore also played well against good competition. Fowler was a First-Team All-SEC freshman in 2012 even though he was only a rotational backup. Fowler had 30 tackles with eight tackles for a loss and 2.5 sacks for the year. He was one of the top recruits in the nation and could be poised for a huge junior season.

Cedric Reed, DE, Texas
Height: 6-6. Weight: 258.
Projected 40 Time: 4.81.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
6/7/14: While Texas' defense had some ugly performances in 2013, Reed was one of the team's better defenders. The junior recorded 10 sacks, 68 tackles, 17.5 tackles for a loss, four passes batted and five forced fumbles for the year. As a backup in 2012, he had 1.5 sacks. Reed has some quickness and length. If he could add 10-12 pounds, that would give him ideal measurements to be a 4-3 base end.

LB

Eric Striker, OLB, Oklahoma
Height: 6-0. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2015): 1-3.
6/7/14: Striker finished the 2013 season with a coming-out party against Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. He dominated Crimson Tide left tackle Cyrus Kouandjio for three sacks and seven tackles. Striker finished the year with a total of 50 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 10.5 tackles for a loss and a forced fumble. 2013 was his first season of significant playing time, so he could be even better as a junior now that he has a year of experience. Striker was very disruptive and had a big presence for the Oklahoma defense with his sideline-to-sideline speed.

Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami
Height: 6-0. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70
Projected Round (2014): 2-3.
6/7/14: Perryman was excellent for the Hurricanes in the 2013. The junior totaled 108 tackles with five tackles for a loss, one sack and three passes broken up. He had a monster game against Florida with 14 tackles and a forced fumble. Perryman had 11 tackles against Florida State and 15 against Virginia Tech. As a sophomore in 2012, he recorded 64 tackles with six tackles for a loss, two passes broken up, one forced fumble and an interception returned 41 yards for a touchdown. Not only has Perryman been strong against the run, but he has shown well in pass coverage. Perryman covers a lot of ground and does a nice job of covering receivers who came into his zone. Perryman is a fast and physical linebacker who looks like he has three-down ability for the NFL.

Eric Kendricks, ILB/OLB, UCLA
Height: 6-0. Weight: 230.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
6/7/14: Kendricks played well in 2013 with 105 tackles, four tackles for a loss and an interception. He was third in the Pac-12 in tackles. Kendricks is an instinctive defender who can defend sideline-to-sideline. Kendricks was a backup until a breakout 2012 season in which he led the Pac-12 in tackles. Kendricks had 149 tackles with six tackles for a loss, two sacks, four passes broken up, two forced fumbles and one blocked kick. His instincts were excellent as he did a great job of reading and reacting. Thanks to a disruptive defensive line and star outside linebacker, Anthony Barr, Kendricks was able to make plays off of them. He is getting good preparation from a UCLA coaching staff under Jim Mora, Jr. that has a lot of pro experience. While Kendricks plays middle linebacker for the Bruins, he would have to move to outside linebacker in the NFL if he can't add weight.

Ramik Wilson, ILB, Georgia
Height: 6-2. Weight: 232.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
6/7/14: 2013 may have been Wilson's first season as an every-down player Wilson, but he certainly made a big impact for Georgia as he led the SEC in tackles with 133. The junior was named an All-SEC First-Team selection. Along with his impressive tackle total, Wilson notched four sacks and three passes broken up. He did well as the Bulldogs' replacement for Alec Ogletree. In 2012 and 2011, Wilson had only 10 combined tackles as a backup. The senior has some quickness and instincts, but showing pass-coverage ability will be important for his draft stock.


CB

Jalen Collins, CB, LSU
Height: 6-2. Weight: 195.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2015): 2-3.
5/30/14: Collins was a 2012 Freshman All-SEC selection by the conference's coaches. He totaled 30 tackles and two interceptions. As a sophomore, Collins started two games. He had 22 tackles with two passes broken up in 2013. Collins has the size and speed to become a good starter. LSU has been a factory for elite defensive backs, and he is the next in line.

S

Kurtis Drummond, S, Michigan State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round (2015): 1-3.
6/14/14: Drummond is a smart and instinctive safety who covers a lot of ground in the back end. For the NFL, he looks like a potential starter at free safety. Drummond was one of the best safeties in the Big Ten in 2013, his first season as a full-time starter. He was an all-conference First-Team selection. Drummond started 2013 in impressive fashion. He made a highlight-reel interception versus Western Michigan and played well against South Florida and Notre Dame. Drummond also stepped up and was very active against Michigan. He kept up the strong play all season by solidifying the deep middle of the field for the Spartans' defense. The junior had 91 tackles, 10 passes broken up and four interceptions for the year. Drummond started seven games in 2012 while playing in 13. He totaled 53 tackles with 4.5 tackles for a loss, four passes broken up, two interceptions and a forced fumble.

Durell Eskridge, S, Syracuse
Height: 6-3. Weight: 203.
Projected 40 Time: 4.61.
Projected Round (2015): 2-4.
6/14/14: Eskridge was a leader of Syracuse's defense in 2013 as he led their stop unit in tackles and interceptions. The first-year starter ended up with four picks, one forced fumble, one pass broken up and 78 tackles. Esridge has lobbied to play wide receiver and caught one pass for 19 yards in 2013. He was a backup in 2012. Eskridge has good size and athleticism.
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Longa.

Longer than your average bear (some pun intended).

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Since he's so young he probably comes out 2016 instead of 2015. If he really monsters it up though I guess anything is possible.
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Since he's so young he probably comes out 2016 instead of 2015. If he really monsters it up though I guess anything is possible.
If he's as good as you say, he'll come out. Shelf lives for football players are short, they want to come to the NFL as soon as possible.
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I normally agree but he's still new to the game and has some stuff to learn. He only started playing in HS which is why he wasn't more highly rated coming out of HS (3*). I don't think there are that many redshirt SO that declare each year so he definitely can come out but I could see if either way in his case.
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I wouldn't mind if he stays. Chances are we won't draft him anyway bc the Giants hate productive linebackers that don't suck, so I rather get another year out of him at Rutgers.
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Btw, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Rutgers have the McCourty brothers, Logan Ryan, Greene, Beau all on defense together in 2012?

How on earth did we not have an all world defense that year?
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How on earth did we not have an all world defense that year?
No the McCourty's were gone by then. They did have Brandon Jones and Marcus Cooper at CB though with Duron Harmon at S. We did have a top 10 defense in pretty much every statistical category but the offense was awful and the D faded a bit at the year went on. We still should have won the conference but you know Kyle Flood and terrible QB play killed us.
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I have been thinking about the options next year and I think a pass rusher may be close to the top of the list.

I think we will likely miss out on the top pass rushers

I have been thinking about Vic Beasley in a Von Miller type role and I could definitely see that on the table.
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Don't do this Pete.

It's too soon for me to dream of Vic Beasley.
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Don't do this Pete.

It's too soon for me to dream of Vic Beasley.
I think we will want to upgrade our pass rush and the top tier DEs will likely be off the table.

Beasley seems like a great option.

Don't forget that Williams will be a free agent
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Here is my very early mock draft for 2015 based on my 2015 expectations and expiring contracts.

1 - Vic Beasley, DE/OLB, Clemson (6-3, 235, 4.69)

2 - Kurtis Drummond, S, Michigan State (6-1, 200, 4.59)

3 - Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State (6-0, 180, 4.50)

4 - Tyler Kroft TE, Rutgers (6-6, 240, 4.75)

5 - Sean Hickey, OT, Syracuse (6-5, 300, 5.20)

6 - Arie Kouandjio, G, Alabama (6-5, 315, 5.31)

7 - Dyshawn Davis, OLB, Syracuse (6-2, 212, 4.65)
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Vic Beasley will be a top 10 pick by the time the draft rolls by next year.

People fault him for being 235 lbs right now, but he'll easily get to 250 before the combine. Von Miller played at around 235 lbs in college and got up to 250 before the combine as well and he went 2nd overall.

Vic is a special pass rusher, he has incredible bend, great speed and burst, and his functional strength is great. Great punch. He reminds me of Von in some ways.

If we're in position to draft him it's because we had an awful season, so let's hope that's not the case.
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Vic Beasley will be a top 10 pick by the time the draft rolls by next year.

People fault him for being 235 lbs right now, but he'll easily get to 250 before the combine. Von Miller played at around 235 lbs in college and got up to 250 before the combine as well and he went 2nd overall.

Vic is a special pass rusher, he has incredible bend, great speed and burst, and his functional strength is great. Great punch. He reminds me of Von in some ways.

If we're in position to draft him it's because we had an awful season, so let's hope that's not the case.
Perhaps, but next year's draft class will be loaded at both DT and DE next year with guys like Randy Gregory, Leonard Williams and Shilique Calhoun. I think he is a guy who could slip a little. This year's draft looks to be strong at most positions, we will see quality QB, OL and DB as well.
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What OL are projected 1st rounders at this point? I know the Iowa guy who just got hurt was supposed to be but any others?
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What OL are projected 1st rounders at this point? I know the Iowa guy who just got hurt was supposed to be but any others?
There are quite a few

T Andrus Peat, Standford*
T Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M
T La'el Collins, LSU*
T Brandon Scherff, IOwa
T Spencer Drango, Baylor*

G Vadal Alexander, LSU*

In the second day mix:

T Sean Hickey, Syracuse*
T Cameron Erving, Florida State
T Corey Robinson, South Carolina
T Le'Raven Clark, Texas Tech*
T Daryl Williams, Oklahoma
T Tyrus Thompson, Oklahoma
T Jake Fisher, Oregon
T Austin Shepherd, Alabama

G Laken Tomlinson, Duke
G Josue Matias, Florida State
G Tre Jackson, Florida State
G AJ Cann, South Carolina
G Jarvis Harrison, Texas A&M
G Arie Kouandijio, Alabama


c Hroniss Grasu, Oregon
C Reese Dismukes, Auburn*
C Isaasc Seumalo, Oregon State
C David Andrews, Georgia
C BJ Finney, Kansas State
C Nick Martlin, Notre Dame
C Mike Matthews, Texas A&M*
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I have been looking at the players we have under contract for next year.

QB: Manning, Nassib
RB: Jennings, Williams, Hillis
WR: Cruz, Randle, Beckham, Parker, Washington, Talley
TE: Robinson
OL: Beatty, Pugh, Schwartz, Walton, Richburg, Mosley, Kropog, Gaines
DE: Kiwanuka, Ayers, Moore, Wynn
DT: Jenkins, Hankins, Bromley, Kuhn
ILB: Beason, McClain, Fox
OLB: Kennard
CB: Rodgers-Cromartie, Amukamara, McBride, Howard
S: Taylor, Berhe
K: Brown
P: Weatherford
LS: DeOssie



Without reworking contracts we have around $24m in cap room available.

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I would expect free agency to look something like

Extend contracts of Manning, Amukamara

Resign: Pierre-Paul, Thurmond, Rolle, Demps, Williams, Paysinger, Jerry, Hynoski, Donnell (erfa), Fells and Bowman

Sign: S Rahim Moore (DEN) and options like WR Cecil Shorts (JAX) and TE Rob Housler (ARZ) and we have some pretty good depth and not a lot of glaring needs.

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Looking at our depth heading into next year, we don't have many glaring needs. I wouldn't be surprised if we rolled the dice with RB Todd Gurley in the mid-late first round.

Sure it would be a luxury pick and RBs have been de-valued, but we don't have a lot of needs. Jennings and Hillis are up there age wise and Williams while good is not a factor in the passing game.
Reese has drafted a RB in the first round in recent years, plus we have seen the difference with a quality RB. Gurley is explosive like Wilson was and is a bigger style of RB we seem to prefer with McAdoo.

I could see Gurley being a serious round 1 option for us.
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Here is my curret 2015 mock draft thinking for the Giants (1st Oct)

Round 1: RB Todd Gurley, Georgia
Round 2: DE Shawn Oakman, Baylor
Round 3: OT Sean Hickey, Syracuse
Round 4: TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers
Round 5: LB Jake Ryan, Michigan
Round 6: DB Tim Scott, North Carolina
Round 7: LB Dyshawn Davis, Syracuse
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OT, JPP-partner, LB and Rolle-partner/successor. Those are the four areas I really want to see us devote resources next offseason. If we can sign the OT like we did Schwartz then all the better. The pass rusher should come from the draft cause I want someone who can be cheap and explosive and young. LB can be a vet like Beason or preferable a second day pick, and the DB should be a pick either our first or second depending on the pass rushers available.

That would be awesome.
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I have been liking Landon Collins recently.


Ayers, JPP and Moore could be a good core to build on.

LB looks to be really talented this year
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