New York Giants Discussion

[Rosebud]

Pass Blocking isn't that hard, Scott's been with us long enough to learn how to pick up a blitz well enough to get us by when Bradshaw gets hurt.

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

Pass Blocking isn't that hard, Scott's been with us long enough to learn how to pick up a blitz well enough to get us by when Bradshaw gets hurt.

What? It's only the hardest thing a RB can learn to do. Adrian Peterson still can't do it.

[Giantsfan1080]

Scott only played in like 1 game last year and it was for 5 snaps. I don't remember any blocks from him.

Jacobs and Bradshaw are 2 of the best pass protecting RB's in the NFL. It's an obvious emphasis from the staff.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by Jughead10

What? It's only the hardest thing a RB can learn to do. Adrian Peterson still can't do it.

Mostly because guys have never had to do it before the NFL, but the giants have been teaching running backs how to block for too long to say that it's the hardest thing for a RB to learn and one expception doesn't change it. I think it's much tougher to teach someone how to catch than it is to block, even if rookies usually have more experience catching the ball and so usually start off better at it. But I firmly believe that a guy who can't block or catch will learn to block before he learns to catch.

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

Mostly because guys have never had to do it before the NFL, but the giants have been teaching running backs how to block for too long to say that it's the hardest thing for a RB to learn and one expception doesn't change it. I think it's much tougher to teach someone how to catch than it is to block, even if rookies usually have more experience catching the ball and so usually start off better at it. But I firmly believe that a guy who can't block or catch will learn to block before he learns to catch.

I agree, kind of. A guy who can't catch won't even be drafted unless he does something else extremely special. Because stone hands are stone hands and you can't fix that. But the notion that every player can learn to block I think is false. Especially for a 2nd year player with little experience. Scott hasn't shown enough in my opinion to take that risk.

[bigbluedefense]

Like I said...you don't risk your 100 million dollar qb on the potential of a 7th round pick. It's all fun n games until Eli is motionless on the floor.

I want the guy I can trust out there.

[Forenci]

Haha lots of Ojomo love. Good to hear. I haven't been able to see the pre-season games because of where I live but I am insanely pumped for the season opener. Not seeing the PS actually sort of builds the anticipation even more for me, having not seen them at all.

[BigBlueNorwegian]

QB: Manning, Carr (2)
RB: Bradshaw, Wilson, Ware, (3)
FB: Hynoski (1)
WR: Nicks, Cruz, Hixon, Randle, Barden, Jernigan (6)
TE: Bennett, Pascoe, Robinson (3)
LT: Locklear, Beatty (2)
LG: Boothe/OL-free agent (2)
C: Baas (1)
RG: Snee, Petrus (2)
RT: Diehl, Brewer (2)

Total offense: (24)

DE: Tuck, Pierre-Paul, Umenyiora, Tracy, Ojomo (5)
DT: Joseph, Bernard, Austin, Hendricks (4)
WLB: Boley, Rivers, Williams, Paysinger (4)
MLB: Blackburn, Herzlich, (2)
SLB: Kiwanuka (1)
CB: Webster, Amukamara, Coe, Hosley, Tryon, Thomas (6)
S: Phillips, Rolle, Hill, Sash (4)

Total Defense: (26)

K: Tynes
P: Weatherford
LS: DeOssie

Total ST: (3)

The first 4 games, where Sash is suspended, keep a depth CB/safety. Could be Grant, a Waiver pick-up or someone already on the team. See how he performs. If he's better than Sash, then we cut Sash. Either way we don't have to make that call until week 5.


That's my 53. The biggest cuts are Greg Jones, Da'rel Scott and Andre Brown.
We just try to sneak Douglas and Broha on the PS. Same with the German dude(forgetting his name, but I like him as well). McCants goes on PS as well.

If we Can't, well tough luck. We have too many players who objectively deserves a roster spot, and we can't keep them all. That's life as one of the better drafting and scouting teams in the NFL. Some teams will get good players in Jones, Douglas, Scott and Brown. Players who can stick to a roster in the NFL and make a difference. But we can't keep 'em all.

I really like this team, talent-wise. We are deep at almost every position. Let's just pray for a relatively injury-free season, and we'll be a contender once again.

[bigbluedefense]

I like this roster^

I think we'll have a couple of surprise cuts that we didn't see coming. But I would be very pleased if that's how the roster turns out.

My sleeper cut is Petrus. He can only play G and he's been god awful in pass protection. He's making himself a bubble player.

[BaLLiN]

the new IR rule just got approved, that player designated to IR can be added back to the roster in week 8

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by BaLLiN

the new IR rule just got approved, that player designated to IR can be added back to the roster in week 8

This may end that Scott/Ware discussion. Can likely keep them both now.

[bigbluedefense]

Sounds like Thomas is a lock to go on IR then.

[Giantsfan1080]

I think Kuhn makes it to the 53 over Hendricks.

[Giantsfan1080]

I was just listening to PDot and he thinks Ojomo makes the team but takes Tracy's spot. He says the Giants really don't want to carry more than 4 DE's.

[Giantsfan1080]

All the players sound very hopefull about their injuries.

Hosley says he'll be back by Week 1
Prince says Week 2
Tracy says he feels great

[Giantsfan1080]

Finally the NFC EAST:

http://deadspin.com/5938903/why-your...delphia-eagles

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Finally the NFC EAST:

http://deadspin.com/5938903/why-your...delphia-eagles

They went soft on Philly. Could have been so much worse, or better depending on how you look at it.

[Giantsfan1080]

The fans emails were funny. The drive one especially.

[BaLLiN]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I think Kuhn makes it to the 53 over Hendricks.

Really? after Hendricks looked like a beast?

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I was just listening to PDot and he thinks Ojomo makes the team but takes Tracy's spot. He says the Giants really don't want to carry more than 4 DE's.

Well with 2 of our DE's injured atm i could see 5 kept, but in all likelyhood itll be 4 and one is IR'ed.

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

All the players sound very hopefull about their injuries.

Hosley says he'll be back by Week 1
Prince says Week 2
Tracy says he feels great

What about austin?

[Giantsfan1080]

I haven't heard anything about Austin.

Hendricks has played about average. Kuhn also. I'd like to keep them both around whether it's 53 or PS.

[Giantsfan1080]

Interesting:

Coughlin gives me something to chew on before projected roster by saying Da'Rel Scott + Andre Brown "distinguished themselves" last nt. #nyg

[Giantsfan1080]

On Austin:

On DT Marvin Austin's back: I don’t have any more clarity. I know there’s optimism. I don’t know how long. For Marvin, that they would continue to feel like it was necessary to hold him. I know I can understand the longer the better. But it’s a little bit frustrating because of the lack of time he had to spend on the field during preseason and that definitely, definitely is going to prevent him from being where he should be once he comes off the injury. There are some issues that have to be dealt with there."

[Giantsfan1080]

Garafolo's final projected roster:

MIKE GARAFOLO'S ROSTER PROJECTION

OFFENSE (25)

QB: Eli Manning, David Carr

RB: Ahmad Bradshaw, David Wilson, Andre Brown, Da’Rel Scott

FB: Henry Hynoski

WR: Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Domenik Hixon, Rueben Randle, Ramses Barden, Jerrel Jernigan

TE: Martellus Bennett, Bear Pascoe, Adrien Robinson

C: David Baas, Jim Cordle

G: Kevin Boothe, Chris Snee, Mitch Petrus

T: Will Beatty, David Diehl, Sean Locklear, James Brewer

DEFENSE (25)

DE: Jason Pierre-Paul, Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora, Adewale Ojomo

DT: Linval Joseph, Rocky Bernard, Marvin Austin, Marcus Thomas

LB: Michael Boley, Chase Blackburn, Mathias Kiwanuka, Mark Herzlich, Keith Rivers, Greg Jones, Spencer Paysinger, Jacquian Williams

CB: Corey Webster, Prince Amukamara, Terrell Thomas, Michael Coe, Jayron Hosley, Justin Tryon

S: Antrel Rolle, Kenny Phillips, Will Hill

SPECIALISTS (3)

K: Lawrence Tynes

P: Steve Weatherford

LS: Zak DeOssie

CUTS QB Ryan Perrilloux RB D.J. Ware WR Isaiah Stanback WR Dan DePalma WR David Douglas TE Larry Donnell C Chris White OL Selvish Capers OG Stephen Goodin OT Matt McCants DE Craig Marshall DE Matt Broha DE Adrian Tracy DT Markus Kuhn DT Shaun Rogers DT Dwayne Hendricks LB Jake Muasau CB Dante Hughes CB Bruce Johnson DB Laron Scott S Tyler Sash (reserve/suspended) S Stevie Brown

* * * *

[Giantsfan1080]

No Hendricks, Kuhn, Tracy, Ware, McCants, Douglas on his guess.

[BigBlueNorwegian]

I really don't see the need to keep 8 linebackers on the team, when we are probably going to play with only two of them on the field for much of the season in different formations. The only reason is that we're very deep in that position, but that shouldn't force the coaches to weaken one of our other positions. I'd rather carry a 5th DE or DT, than an 8th linebacker.

We are also injury-prone in our defensive backfield, so I would rather carry a fourth safety than a back-up C like Cordle. Boothe can play Center if Baas goes down.