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Old 12-17-2013, 10:30 AM    (permalink
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I completely forgot about that.

Another thing I don't like is, this FA class doesn't wow me at all. I feel like we should build primarily through the draft and exercise patience.

Now with what, 25 FAs? we pretty much have no choice but to get some guys in FA as well, but I don't want to go overboard. I just don't like this FA class.

I want the foundation of our team moving forward to be drafted guys. If it means a 2 year rebuild then so be it. We'll be better in the long run bc of it.
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I would like to bring some vets in on one year deals. No big FA splashes. I don't know exactly how well he's been playing, but I have to think someone like Gurode could have helped us. Veteran depth, and brings a nastiness to the line.

Players like that we can bring in on one year at the vet min. No guaranteed roster spot. Let them compete at camp. Just fill some holes we have that we cannot get in the draft because of the amount of picks.
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It sounds like there's some good depth at OT in this draft. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in 2 OTs, converting one to a G.

Doesn't sound like a great Guard or Center draft class. You're probably going to see some guys considered OT prospects convert to Guard prospects as the process plays itself out.
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I believe someone just recently said it's a very good interior OL draft.
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So O'hara on Mike and Mike said Mara was red faced and would clean house but wouldn't clean house for the sake of it.
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Well regardless, I think unless a complete stud falls in our laps we gotta go OL the first 2 rounds. Let's go young and let these guys gel together.

Our team feels so old and slow. We need to get younger and faster.
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Mara has said that before and didn't do anything.

The change has to come from Reese if he has that kind of authority.
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It sounds like there's some good depth at OT in this draft. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in 2 OTs, converting one to a G.

Doesn't sound like a great Guard or Center draft class. You're probably going to see some guys considered OT prospects convert to Guard prospects as the process plays itself out.
There is plenty of talent at guard in the guard draft class. Plenty of talent for the first two days
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I saw Asomoah on KC is a FA also. If they don't re-sign him he's right up there with Mack as a big get.
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Brown got better as the year went on, but when are we going to find our Justin Tucker? That would sure help us out.

Undrafted rookie who wins the job out of camp and just never looks back.
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Mara has said that before and didn't do anything.

The change has to come from Reese if he has that kind of authority.
Let's be fair, we are all on the outside looking in. We don't know about changes behind the scenes and the Giants handle their business privately.
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Undrafted rookie who wins the job out of camp and just never looks back.
Are you talking about kicker specifically? That's the least of our problems this year and in the past. If not talking K then Cruz and Hill probably fulfill our UDFA good karma for the next 10 years.
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I saw Asomoah on KC is a FA also. If they don't re-sign him he's right up there with Mack as a big get.
We should sign both
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We should sign both
I see that as possible.

I know people talk about whether Mack will be available.

Firstly they will have to choose between franchising Alex Mack or TJ Ward.

The projected 2014 franchise tag for offensive linemen is $11,126,000.

Nick Mangold is the only center in the league with a contract averaging more than $6.5m per year..

Plus Cleveland has enough cap room now to extend Mack with that kind of money, I don't see them putting up big dollars to retain Mack.
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Are you talking about kicker specifically? That's the least of our problems this year and in the past. If not talking K then Cruz and Hill probably fulfill our UDFA good karma for the next 10 years.
I am. I'd imagine we'd be bringing in someone else to camp anyway. Let's find a young guy we can just stick out there and not have to worry about anymore. There are so many good young kickers in this league right now. It's not like we've been hitting on our late round picks lately anyway.

Also I agree about the karma on Cruz. There was a reason Hill was a UDFA though. Everyone knew he had talent.
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I see that as possible.

I know people talk about whether Mack will be available.

Firstly they will have to choose between franchising Alex Mack or TJ Ward.

The projected 2014 franchise tag for offensive linemen is $11,126,000.

Nick Mangold is the only center in the league with a contract averaging more than $6.5m per year..

Plus Cleveland has enough cap room now to extend Mack with that kind of money, I don't see them putting up big dollars to retain Mack.
I thought OT had a different franchise number than interior OL. I don't think they group every OL spot together.
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Mack is a pipe dream. I wish we could get him but I doubt it.
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I am. I'd imagine we'd be bringing in someone else to camp anyway. Let's find a young guy we can just stick out there and not have to worry about anymore. There are so many good young kickers in this league right now. It's not like we've been hitting on our late round picks lately anyway.

Also I agree about the karma on Cruz. There was a reason Hill was a UDFA though. Everyone knew he had talent.
Brown has been good this year and Tynes was fine before that. You think the extra million in cap space would be better off going to a different group which I understand but I'm not sure how much that helps.
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I'm not even concerned with the cap space. I just think we can upgrade. Our guys aren't great and everyone seems to have players now who can hit 50 plus yarders with some consistency.
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Young kickers have cannons on em nowadays. I wouldn't mind an upgrade but I wouldn't look at them until round 5 at earliest.
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I agree. Round 6 at the earliest for me.
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Yeah that's fine with me. At that point, if we're gonna be honest about it, you'll probably have a higher success rate targeting players like kickers than you would with a shot in the dark LB, OL or whatever else we choose.

I'd play the percentages in the later rounds. Kickers, RBs, FBs, the underappreciated positions that still hold value to the overall 53 are the types that I like looking for in those rounds.

Generally speaking of course. It all depends on the board.
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I just want to sign a UDFA but I hope they do their homework on it. The expanded rosters in training camp make it easy to create a competition. Especially since we won't bother bringing in another punter to compete. And I don't want to hear crap about Brown being a veteran from the coaching staff because we had no problem handing a job to Dodge.
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Speaking of FBs, I hope we keep Connor and let Hynoski go. Connor is sooo much better than him.

I honestly have no idea why Connor struggled to find a team. He's better than most FBs in the league from a traditional sense.
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Not many teams even use a FB anymore so I guess they felt more comfortable with who they had. If you watched Hard Knocks the Bengals went with that TE/FB hybrid because he was more versatile and younger. I agree Connor should stay over Hynoski though.
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