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Norv is available and we're interviewing these guys. I don't get it.

Sports are stupid.
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Let's just wait and see. I fully believe the job will go to Sully but I also didn't think we'd even see any other names leak which one did today. Let's just complain after.
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And I'm gonna see Fewell's stupid face on the sideline next year too.
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You had to didn't you!

Haha, I'm so gonna use that next year when we win the SB though.
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Haha, I'm so gonna use that next year when we win the SB though.
You were asking for it the way you set that up.
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Loggains isn't bad at all. Our offense was inept at times, but I never thought it was a result of consistently bad playcalling. At certain times, yes, it was, but at the same time he was very very inexperienced as a playcaller and undoubtedly has a new perspective after doing it for the full season. He even showed the ability to adapt to his personnel when Fitzpatrick had to come in and start and we went more to a spread variation that suits him better. His system seems very player friendly. I think he's a very bright young mind, but there's no doubt he needs some more seasoning.

The downside is that he looks like a hobbit.
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Hmmm. Does he use option routes? I don't mind option routes, but I don't want super complicated choice routes. But I'd prefer to remove all options altogether with our new system if that's possible.
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This past year when he took over he specifically scrapped Chris Palmer's option route based playbook.
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Big difference right?

I'm so done with the option routes. I'd only let my slot run options.
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This past year when he took over he specifically scrapped Chris Palmer's option route based playbook.
Which he and Mike Sullivan got from our system with Gilbride at the helm. I really hope, if this new guy is hired, gets rid of that nonsense. It's been 10 years of ball goes one way, WR goes another.. 10 years! 10! 10! Ten!
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Gilbride "We made the gamble that William Beatty was the guy at LT. There's no question he has the physical talent but toughness is the key"

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@alexmarvez: Kevin Gilbride said @Giants offensive line injuries made it "impossible" for Eli Manning "to function" in 2013. (CONT)

@alexmarvez: Gilbride said @GIants o-line problems forced more 3-step drops & play-action passes rather than 5- to 7-step drops where Manning excels

@alexmarvez: Gilbride also said @GIants need outside WRs to perform better. Teams were too keyed in on Victor Cruz. "Bell-cow" RB needed as well

@alexmarvez: Gilbride said there is "no question" the @Giants will "bring in some people" at the tight end position i.e. a veteran signing.

@alexmarvez: Gilbride said Brandon Myers would be ideal No. 2 TE but @Giants ideally need bigger, faster player at position


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Gilbride said Brandon Myers would be ideal No. 2 TE but @Giants ideally need bigger, faster player at position
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Gilbride "We made the gamble that William Beatty was the guy at LT. There's no question he has the physical talent but toughness is the key"

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Gilbride on what @Giants need to improve "@TeamVic had a good year but they need to improve the WR's on the outside and a bell cow RB"


@RVacchianoNYDN: Gilbride reiterated it was his decision to retire, citing family. "Sometimes it reaches a point where you have to say 'Enough is enough.'"

@RVacchianoNYDN: Gilbride said "We had been concerned about the depth in the O-line for a while now" and cited that as main reason for offensive woes.

@RVacchianoNYDN: Gilbride said the O-line "made it impossible for our qb to function ... You give him help and he's proven he can win a championship."

@RVacchianoNYDN: Gilbride also praised Victor Cruz, but said "It became readily apparent to defenses we weren’t playing well on the outside positions." #NYG


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Gilbride said "I think there’s no question (Will Beatty) has the physical skills to play the left tackle position." #NYG

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Gilbride also praised Victor Cruz, but said "It became readily apparent to defenses we weren’t playing well on the outside positions." #NYG

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Gilbride said the O-line "made it impossible for our qb to function ... You give him help and he's proven he can win a championship."

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Tremendous stuff from former Giants offensive coordiantor Kevin Gilbride tonight on @SiriusXMNFL (with @alexmarvez and Bill Polian) #NYG
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Nothin we haven't surmised here but kind of threw Reese under the bus citing they were worried about the OL for a while.
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He is retired now. No more politics or having to worry about how to phrase or word things anymore. No filter probably once in 39 years? And the way things went down, and heat on him, I can understand why he said it.

I am not mad. Everything is true.
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I actually have a feeling that we didn't ask Gilbride to step down and he really did do it on his own. If he still wanted to cach I'd bet he'd be OC right now.
I agree with you.

Though there would have been a lot of pressue on Coughlin in his meeting with Mara and Reese. It could have resulted in Coughlin going.
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Ohh I'm not mad at all. I agree with everything you said and it's refreshing to possibly get some news out of this organization that isn't filtered one way or the other. I hope Gilbride opens up even more even though he needs to recognize he was part of the stubbornness. They didn't start going to 3 steps until way too late.
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Loggains isn't bad at all. Our offense was inept at times, but I never thought it was a result of consistently bad playcalling. At certain times, yes, it was, but at the same time he was very very inexperienced as a playcaller and undoubtedly has a new perspective after doing it for the full season. He even showed the ability to adapt to his personnel when Fitzpatrick had to come in and start and we went more to a spread variation that suits him better. His system seems very player friendly. I think he's a very bright young mind, but there's no doubt he needs some more seasoning.

The downside is that he looks like a hobbit.
Thanks for the insight, any particular thoughts on his offensive philosophy?

It seems that his system could be a good fit with Coughlin's experience. It would also be a plus if we could get Sullivan as QB coach

Although it would certainly have big changes, particularly if it means moving to a zone blocking scheme.
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Ohh I'm not mad at all. I agree with everything you said and it's refreshing to possibly get some news out of this organization that isn't filtered one way or the other. I hope Gilbride opens up even more even though he needs to recognize he was part of the stubbornness. They didn't start going to 3 steps until way too late.
I said that on BBI. We kept running 5 and 7 step concepts probably 4 or 5 games in, which we lost. I can remember being like 0-4 or 0-5 before I saw dink and dunking. But by then things were over. We were in a big time hole.

And what about the ball goes one way and WR goes another?! Will someone in the media ask the giants, gilbride, TC, or potential new OC that question? I really wish I had a media pass. I would have harped on that with Gilbride.
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Ohh I'm not mad at all. I agree with everything you said and it's refreshing to possibly get some news out of this organization that isn't filtered one way or the other. I hope Gilbride opens up even more even though he needs to recognize he was part of the stubbornness. They didn't start going to 3 steps until way too late.
I agree it is good for us fans to get a little insight into the Giants who normally keep so much behind closed doors
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I wish they asked him why JJ couldn't be used when we went 4 wide? Why did it takes 3 years and a season ending injury to cruz for us to see what JJ could do?

I feel like there is a disconnect between personnel drafted AND signed, and how they are used. Here is a excellent slot guy by college tape in JJ. Please use him, signed.. Reese.

TC/KG.. We will use him if we can when we can. Thanks.. 3 years later.

Mara: Why did it take us 3 years to find out JJ can play?
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I find Loggains an interesting option.

If he is OC we are likely to have a major overhaul of plays, with a overall simplification of passing plays. As far as option plays go, I imagine they wouldn't be eliminated, just used a little more judiciously.

It would feature a strong running game, which fits into Coughlin's style of play

Loggains seems to be adaptable with his play-calling and schemes

Loggains is young and relatively inexperienced, so working with the very experienced Coughlin is probably a good combination.

Gilbride has already mentioned that Eli excels at 5-7 step drops. We will fix the oline, so there will be opportunities for deep passing.

I don't know enough about Loggains, but he does sound interesting
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I have been doing some thinking, if we did hire Dowell Loggains and move to a zone blocking scheme, we could have the option of Mike Munchak and/or Bruce Matthews coaching the Oline if we wanted.
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