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Mara said need to improve drafting but really like first picks from last year (Pugh, Hankins, Moore)

Needs to improve personnel overall but mostly on offense.
Reese did have a solid draft this year. Pugh and Big Hank look really good. Moore...we'll see. The other 3 guys, we'll have to wait and see if any of them give us anything. I think Nassib and Taylor won't be ****, but Cox might be decent. We'll see I guess.
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Wants Tuck back but it has to be at the right #.

Nicks season both an alarm and an aberration. Sounds like Nicks is going bye bye.

Thinks team still has lots of work but in NFL they can rebound if right decisions are made.

Against additional playoff games.
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It's not hard bro. If you're having trouble go to a local branch and they can walk you through it.

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Sounds like Mara really wants a philosophical change on offense. I really hope that happens.
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Reese:

Dissapointing season

Thinks Pugh can play anywhere on line

OL needs to get younger

Thinks Nicks can still be good player

Tuck still has trade left on his tires

Always likes to have leadership but can't stay too old. Someone will have to step up to become next leader

Have to do a better job to get players out in games quicker so they can develop
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Reese is already laying the foundation in case he wants to make his case for a new coach after next year.

There's gonna be tension in that building next year.
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More Reese:

JPP shell of what he was because of back/shoulder. Expect JPP to be game changer

Dr's think Wilson will play but neck/back injuries tricky

Regarding Jernigan: Cant develop unless the player is out there. Expected Jernigan to emerge but Cruz blew up at same position. Good little player Should continue to grow

Regarding Randle: Expect bigger and better things

Regarding Nassib: Will fight for #2 spot next year. Good to learn what the NFL is all about. More confident/comfortable in practice as yr went along

Regarding Myers: Thought he would catch on quickly but didnt work out as well as they thought for whatever reason. Had to use more as a blocker than they would have liked
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Tuck will be back. I'm pretty confident he'll sign a team friendly deal. He wants to be here.

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but i'm okay with that. we could do a lot lot lot worse. if the money is team friendly, it only makes sense
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That's a good thing. He was one of our best players on D all year. If he's cheap that's very good.
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I'm indifferent to it. If we get 2013 Tuck that's great, but I'm almost positive he won't be healthy for 2 years in a row. He'll mope out there like he always does. Meanwhile Moore who's perfectly healthy and productive will be chewing on a twizzler on the sideline waiting for his chance to get some reps.

I almost feel like the movie Money Ball. Coughlin is the Oakland Manager, and Reese needs to be like Pitt and basically force out all of his "guys" off the team so the manager is forced to play the lineup he built around.
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Except Moore hasn't done anything so we have no idea what's there.
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Yeah but we gotta play the young guys. We need to develop our future, we can't hang on to these old guys. If Moore fails, then cool, we draft another DE. At least we'll know he sucks instead of being in purgatory for another year.

We gotta give these young guys a chance to play and fail. What good is holding onto Tuck if he's going to hinder the development of young guys? We need a youth movement, holding onto aging veterans doesn't help the cause.
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I'm indifferent to it. If we get 2013 Tuck that's great, but I'm almost positive he won't be healthy for 2 years in a row. He'll mope out there like he always does. Meanwhile Moore who's perfectly healthy and productive will be chewing on a twizzler on the sideline waiting for his chance to get some reps.

I almost feel like the movie Money Ball. Coughlin is the Oakland Manager, and Reese needs to be like Pitt and basically force out all of his "guys" off the team so the manager is forced to play the lineup he built around.
Except we've won with Coughlin. Billy Beane has never won ****.
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We only need youth if players aren't productive. Tuck was productive. Snee who I love also has not been productive and you don't see me calling for his return. You can't just throw out 10 new youngsters into the fire. Moore now moves up the depth chart and will get more snaps all year provded he stays healty. If he looks better than Tuck or JPP then he needs to start. I don't think it's a good idea to give him a job from day 1 though.
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The point is, we all are bitching about wanting to give the young guys more snaps. Well holding onto these veterans isn't going to help the cause. Next year Moore will still be 4th on the depth chart bc Coughlin will play Tuck and Kiwi over him.

So guess what? Another wasted year. He'll barely see the field.

Keith Rivers was out there instead of JWill for God knows what reason. Diehl was out there. Snee is probably coming back unless we cut him.

Coughlin is gonna play his guys until you remove them from the team. We won't have the proper youth movement until we gut the roster.
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The point is, we all are bitching about wanting to give the young guys more snaps. Well holding onto these veterans isn't going to help the cause. Next year Moore will still be 4th on the depth chart bc Coughlin will play Tuck and Kiwi over him.

So guess what? Another wasted year. He'll barely see the field.

Keith Rivers was out there instead of JWill for God knows what reason. Diehl was out there. Snee is probably coming back unless we cut him.

Coughlin is gonna play his guys until you remove them from the team. We won't have the proper youth movement until we gut the roster.
Well that's where Mara or Reese needs to step in and tell Coughlin the deal.

In this specific situation we literally saw nothing from Moore in preseason or regular season to guarantee him a job. Remember when Osi was a rookie he flashed all year. I wanted him starting year 2 and was happy when Accorsi declined to include him in Eli deal. You have to take these on a case by case situation. If Tuck comes back and looks like crap through 3 games and Moore flashes then yes the depth chart needs to change.
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Like many of you seem to be leading to, I think it would be best if Coughlin would resign in order to begin a new era. I really think that it speaks volumes that we are excited for any sort of change in scheme, even with Sullivan who has similar beliefs. Look at these coordinators, we have questions about them yet we are still happy regardless because its a change. I don't think that I am happy with any of these coordinators because either they are too close to what we had (maybe not awful, but something I'd like to get away from), didn't have much success, or doesn't fit.

Why isn't Norv Turner being considered? Coughlin. He's too big of a name for Coughlin, isn't someone he's worked with, and won't be hired. If we had a head coach that didn't reach his hand as far maybe we could have the ability to sign these highly regarded and experienced coordinators.
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It won't. That's the problem. Tuck can look like crap all year long and Coughlin won't bench him for Moore. He just won't do it. Tuck is the "captain" of the defense, he won't ever lose his starting job no matter how poorly he plays.

Which is why I think it'll blow up in our face. When was the last time Tuck put 2 good years together in a row? Has he ever?
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Doesn't surprise me. We hate change. I love our owners and Coughlin but at the end of the day this is a business and you have to be able to move on when coaches and players are essentially just commodities. It's sad, but it's a part of being a good team. Sometimes you have to part ways.
I am not surprised, the Giants like a stability and a patient approach.

The only problem is that it seems we are slow to adapt or innovate at times.

I totally agree with you here Forenci
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I trust Tom. When it's time for the young guys to play, they'll play. We don't see their progressions in practice. Hankins got significant playing time towards the end of the season without an injury to induce it. They'll play the best guys.

You want to play the young guys, but a lot of these young guys suck. Diehl plays because sadly, it's the best option. Moore didn't look that great when he played, and it's not like he's first round pick sitting on the bench. Pugh played every snap. Wilson was given the load and got hurt. Randle led the team in TDs. Hosley was hurt all year and painfully average when played. Robinson clearly isn't ready and then hurt again.

I know Moore is "your" guy. But maybe he isn't as good as you think.
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Like many of you seem to be leading to, I think it would be best if Coughlin would resign in order to begin a new era. I really think that it speaks volumes that we are excited for any sort of change in scheme, even with Sullivan who has similar beliefs. Look at these coordinators, we have questions about them yet we are still happy regardless because its a change. I don't think that I am happy with any of these coordinators because either they are too close to what we had (maybe not awful, but something I'd like to get away from), didn't have much success, or doesn't fit.

Why isn't Norv Turner being considered? Coughlin. He's too big of a name for Coughlin, isn't someone he's worked with, and won't be hired. If we had a head coach that didn't reach his hand as far maybe we could have the ability to sign these highly regarded and experienced coordinators.
A very fair point and a big problem as well.
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The point is, we all are bitching about wanting to give the young guys more snaps. Well holding onto these veterans isn't going to help the cause. Next year Moore will still be 4th on the depth chart bc Coughlin will play Tuck and Kiwi over him.

So guess what? Another wasted year. He'll barely see the field.

Keith Rivers was out there instead of JWill for God knows what reason. Diehl was out there. Snee is probably coming back unless we cut him.

Coughlin is gonna play his guys until you remove them from the team. We won't have the proper youth movement until we gut the roster.
I have been thinking on similar lines of late

I am currently thinking we need to move on from Snee, Baas, Tuck, Kiwanuka, Rivers and Thomas

It is time to get younger, healthier and have sustainable cap management
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