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Didn't Mangold go before Kiwi?

I agree 100% we ruined Kiwi by moving him around so much but in the end he was still a good player here and worth the pick. Throw in an untimely injury or two that he had and a possible star has been a slightly above average player in his time here. Only average now.
Yes, but we traded back with the Steelers. They drafted Holmes and we got Kiwi, Jets drafted Mangold before us then. Man I hated the kiwi pick and another kick in the nuts was that we messed his career up. Moved him to LB, he broke his leg, and then we moved him back, and he never, ever developed. God awful career management.
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Where are all these new posts coming from? I hit reply, and I saw some posts. Then hit refresh and all these new posts from other people pop up that I miss. Is there a feature that tells you that new posts are submitted so I can see?
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I'm with BBD. It's also crazy to say just because it's a passing league that defense isn't important. Like BBD said, Seattle not only won, but DESTROYED the best offense in league history. What does that tell you about how important defense is?

Not to mention, due to defense, we stopped an unbeaten 18-0 team due to an amazing defense, specifically the defensive line. I'd be all for defense, defense, defense in this draft. Get some young OL, get some defense, call it a day. This TE non-sense bothers me. We have so many greater needs at more important positions. Unless all the other positions sucks at the pick we're at, I'd be livid about taking a TE at 12.
Ewwwwwww I agree with Forenci.

I really don't like the idea of TE at 12. Especially since I don't view Ebron as a dymamic TE worth a top 12 pick.
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Despite a strong stable of cornerbacks, the Giants pecking order at that position seems clear. It's the newly signed Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and then everybody else.

Rodgers-Cromartie, 27, signed a five-year, $35 million deal with the Giants as a free agent after a strong season in Denver. This followed a pair of wildly inconsistent seasons with the Eagles.

The Giants don't appear to have any reservations. They plan to use him as a shutdown, No. 1 cornerback even with the established Prince Amukamara and fellow free-agent signing Walter Thurmond on the roster.

When asked how exactly DRC would be employed within defensive coordinator Perry Fewell's defensive system, head coach Tom Coughlin didn't hesitate.

"Are you the best receiver of their team? [He's] following you then," Coughlin said Wednesday at the NFL Meetings.

Coughlin and the Giants targeted that type of player right from the start of free agency. They checked in on all the top cornerbacks, before landing Rodgers-Cromartie when the options were slimming. It's clear what drew them to talented cornerback.

"He's physical enough. When you watch him closely, he doesn't shy away," Coughlin said. "He's got great big long arms, he's tall, he's fast, he can match up."

We'll find out if he can shut down the league's elite wide receivers soon enough. Aside from two division games against Dez Bryant (Cowboys) and possibly DeSean Jackson (Eagles), the Giants will also face Larry Fitzgerald (Cardinals), Andre Johnson (Texans), Julio Jones (Falcons) and Calvin Johnson (Lions) in 2014. They will provide a stiff test to a player some around the league aren't completely sold on because of reasons that have little to do with his physical skills.

Rodgers-Cromartie is known to drift at times. Broncos coach John Fox thought it was beneficial for him to spend time with an established and respected player like Champ Bailey last year. Still, DRC doesn't come without risk.

"It's a gamble," said former NFL personnel executive and current ESPN analyst Louis Riddick, who spent time with Rodgers-Cromartie in Philadelphia. "But Antrel Rolle obviously played a big role in making those guys feel comfortable that he can keep DRC focused. With a $10 milllion [signing bonus], that is a big investment."

Coughlin, though, didn't hesitate to give his approval after having the chance to meet Rodgers-Cromartie during his visit. He saw a player well aware of his reputation as a drifter who was on his fourth team in five years, and wanted to prove it incorrect.

"He was looking for it. To be honest, he was looking for a place to stick his roots and become a guy who represents a team, stayed there and worked his way through things rather than be a guy who was one year here, one year there," Coughlin said. "He responded to that. He jumped on that. He wanted to be a guy who associated with a team, be recognized."




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Didn't Mangold go before Kiwi?

I agree 100% we ruined Kiwi by moving him around so much but in the end he was still a good player here and worth the pick. Throw in an untimely injury or two that he had and a possible star has been a slightly above average player in his time here. Only average now.
If Kiwi had done any better we would not have been able to keep him between Osi, Tuck, and StraHOF.

Although he lost some years in adjusting to SAM he performed admirably and gave us added flexibility.
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Any word on Schoffield? Did he sign anywhere? I still want to bring him in as a wide 9 rusher on 3rd down if we can bring him back for a cheap contract.

In a perfect world I'd trade a 6th for Brandon Graham but that's not happening.
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I'm very, very happy with this.

I'm kinda confused by the Bowman signing. We now have 100 million DB's
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Ewwwwwww I agree with Forenci.

I really don't like the idea of TE at 12. Especially since I don't view Ebron as a dymamic TE worth a top 12 pick.
But his measurables suggest he is. He showed out in the combine and his body of work speaks for itself. Ok, he does block, but he sure can catch the rock and create mismatches.

Personally I would have targeted Lewan however we made a lot of moves in FA to patch up the line. Donlad would be a great pick but I would be far from upset to grab up Ebron.

I did find this interestingthough. You guys were saying this a few weeks ago.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...te-draft-class

I do think we are in the smoke screen phase of the draft, but it isn't coming out of nowhere.
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I'm kinda confused by the Bowman signing. We now have 100 million DB's
ST specialist. Think Tyree. Anything he contributes at CB is a bonus.
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Good work with Patterson. Should be some excellent competition in camp this Summer for the CB spots.
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But his measurables suggest he is. He showed out in the combine and his body of work speaks for itself. Ok, he does block, but he sure can catch the rock and create mismatches.

Personally I would have targeted Lewan however we made a lot of moves in FA to patch up the line. Donlad would be a great pick but I would be far from upset to grab up Ebron.

I did find this interestingthough. You guys were saying this a few weeks ago.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...te-draft-class

I do think we are in the smoke screen phase of the draft, but it isn't coming out of nowhere.
Troy Niklas is more intriguing to me than Ebron to be honest. Niklas has the wingspan I like, good speed, much bigger and will be available a full round later.
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Niklas yes!!!!!!!!!! Evans and Niklas 1st and 2nd.
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Niklas yes!!!!!!!!!! Evans and Niklas 1st and 2nd.
Or trade back, get another 2nd, get Martin in the 1st, and Niklas and Gabe Jackson in round 2 and profit all the way to the SB!!!

Then get Coleman in round 3 and grab some napkins.
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Fair enough, but it's like, how many DB's do we carry?

I agree a zillion % with Zak. We're gonna see a LOT of 3 safety 2 lb sets with all of our DB's.

Makes me think we've got DT high on the mind, but more of a run stuffer like Nix. Use the front 4 to stop the run.

I could see us grabbing a Nix at 12, making it a huge surprise. Mmmmm then Niklas in the 2nd. A little Notre Dame heavy, but still
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Or trade back, get another 2nd, get Martin in the 1st, and Niklas and Gabe Jackson in round 2 and profit all the way to the SB!!!

Then get Coleman in round 3 and grab some napkins.
See, I was gonna come in here and say it's gonna be so hard to trade back because of the depth and grabbing an extra 2nd is gonna be super improbable (I still stand by that) but then I realized trades are gonna happen every year and it's a stupid statement to make and dumb notion that's made every year
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See, I was gonna come in here and say it's gonna be so hard to trade back because of the depth and grabbing an extra 2nd is gonna be super improbable (I still stand by that) but then I realized trades are gonna happen every year and it's a stupid statement to make and dumb notion that's made every year
You gotta pray that someone falls in love with Derek Carr and wants to move up for him.

That or Anthony Barr/Khalil Mack. Somebody really good is gonna fall to 12 and someone hopefully starts panicking and looks to move up.

I just hope we are willing to move back. I really really don't like Ebron. The more I see of Ebron the more bleh I get.

He's this year's Shariff Floyd. He's being hyped up by the media and draft pundits but when I see him I just don't see it. He's not a top 12 pick.
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You gotta pray that someone falls in love with Derek Carr and wants to move up for him.

That or Anthony Barr/Khalil Mack. Somebody really good is gonna fall to 12 and someone hopefully starts panicking and looks to move up.

I just hope we are willing to move back. I really really don't like Ebron. The more I see of Ebron the more bleh I get.

He's this year's Shariff Floyd. He's being hyped up by the media and draft pundits but when I see him I just don't see it. He's not a top 12 pick.
yeah but i'm alllll about the Shariff Floyd
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Floyd and Linval are going to make things rough for the NFC North OLs.
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I liked Floyd too but I'm referring to value. Floyd was perceived to be a top 5 pick but it was really just a smokescreen and he fell to the 20s where draft twitter thought he belonged all along.

I see Ebron the same way. He's being hyped as a top 10 guy but I see more of a late 1st rounder/2nd rounder in him. How is he really any better than Tyler Eifert who went in the 2nd last year in a much weaker draft? If anything I'd say Eifert is better than him.
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I liked Floyd too but I'm referring to value. Floyd was perceived to be a top 5 pick but it was really just a smokescreen and he fell to the 20s where draft twitter thought he belonged all along.

I see Ebron the same way. He's being hyped as a top 10 guy but I see more of a late 1st rounder/2nd rounder in him. How is he really any better than Tyler Eifert who went in the 2nd last year in a much weaker draft? If anything I'd say Eifert is better than him.
I'm just scared because there's totally be reports about Jerry loving him and TC pretty much coming out and saying we need a TE. All signs are pointing to us going TE and DT early.
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Eifert went 1st round pick 21 not 2nd round BBD.
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You were referring to Ertz probably right?
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