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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...ng-elite-level

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This, this and more of this.

Though we should keep in mind that September and October are traditionally his best months. If he keeps this up in November and December with our brutal schedule, there really should be no doubt for the outsiders anymore.

But, like BBD said, discussing/defending Eli against casual NFL fans is impossible. They all have their preconcieved notions of him, and there is no point in trying to make them understand the reality or change their minds.
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I thought Webster played real well and he was purposely giving up the underneath routes to Johnson. He's a deep threat so Webster was just trying to limit the damage on the go routes. On the TD he should have bumped him but Johnson had some nice dancing legs on that.
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I thought Webster played real well and he was purposely giving up the underneath routes to Johnson. He's a deep threat so Webster was just trying to limit the damage on the go routes. On the TD he should have bumped him but Johnson had some nice dancing legs on that.
Sometimes the NFL can be pretty simple. You make plays, you win.

Webster made two game-changing plays on those picks. If those are just passes defended, the Bills probably win that game.

Webster got beat on the Stevie TD, but it was a back shoulder and with the passing offenses today everyone is going to get beat in single coverage sometimes.

The schedule is about to get BRUTAL. Tuck needs to come back.
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EDIT: And about Eli - it just goes to show you how ******* stupid stats and fantasy football are.

Manning played brilliantly, yet will be judged by most as a 'game-manager' game because of 0 TDs and 0 turnovers.

In reality, he threw at least 4 passes that could have EASILY gone for TDs but either resulted in just long gains (that set up rushing TDs) or incompletions. So he executed on the same level as a guy who puts up 35 fantasy points but the box score readers (every ******* normal non-NY-based fan because of the lack of depth on highlight shows) will judge him as a 0TD-0INT game, did just enough to win. No, in reality, he played just as good as, say, Brady did yesterday.
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I forgot to mention this but Kiwi was lined up at DE pretty much all game. I don't remember seeing him at LB at all.
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I forgot to mention this but Kiwi was lined up at DE pretty much all game. I don't remember seeing him at LB at all.
Yea we ran a 4-2-5 for most of the game with Williams and Boley at LB and Kiwi and Tolly were the rotational DEs. I would much prefer if we ran a 5-2-4 when Tuck comes back, have the D-Line look like this:
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This soft zone, with only 4 rushing on 3rd down has failed us everytime. It needs to go and if Perry won't get rid of it we need to get rid of him.
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The result is the biggest thing. Don't get too caught up in the system and how it skews stats. Does it win or not. And we could argue that all day. Haha. But the headlins do piss me off. "Bradshaw's 100 yards and 3 TDs lifts Giants to Victory". Please. That was the softest 100 yards I've ever seen. We did not run the ball well at all.

And Webster saved the day. But he also allowed himself to have to save the day by giving up TDs.

Our LBers also got abused. That trap misdirection crap they were running all day had them all kinds of confused.



I know Eli doesn't care about stats and winning is the biggest factor, but still when it's all said and done, we should be able to hook Eli up and call his number. I hate this system. I watch other QBs pad their stats with 1 yard passes for TDs, and we are in the redzone and call 3 running plays that end up as a rushing TD.

0 Tds and O ints is bull.... We should be hooking our franchise QB up when he does well. That makes me soo mad! Get me an OC who will think of dialing up a passing play first rather than think of running it. Yeah once and a while cool, but damn, hook Eli up! Call a play for him since his pass to Ballard got us very close! Finish it off with Eli getting a TD.
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Article saying that Steve Smith is on the trading block for the Eagles. He should have stayed with us. He would be just coming off the PUP list. Now, I am not sure how this impacts his career if he indeed has come back early. He is pretty much a non factor for the Eagles.
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Article saying that Steve Smith is on the trading block for the Eagles. He should have stayed with us. He would be just coming off the PUP list. Now, I am not sure how this impacts his career if he indeed has come back early. He is pretty much a non factor for the Eagles.
Please offer a 7th round pick Reese. We still love you Steve!!
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Bring Steve back! I love ya Steve! No h0mo.
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I'm all in for this as well!!!
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You can tell Steve never felt right as an Eagle. Never tweets, never embraced Philly or their fans, no production, he just seems sad to be there.

Come home Steve. Come home. We told you, don't date the stripper. But you did anyway. Now you realize it was a mistake. Come home.
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Unfortunately with the emergence of Cruz and with Barden likely coming off the PUP list there is no chance this happens. If anything we let Mario walk this offseason and then re-sign Smith.
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Haha this is classic. I REALLY hope the fact that Barden may or may not be coming off the PUP list has zero effect on any potential upgrades at this position or any position.
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You can tell Steve never felt right as an Eagle. Never tweets, never embraced Philly or their fans, no production, he just seems sad to be there.

Come home Steve. Come home. We told you, don't date the stripper. But you did anyway. Now you realize it was a mistake. Come home.
Yeah he basically looks like a man without a home. But he made his choice. That's the good thing about life, you have choices. In this case, he followed his agent, and now appears to be a bad choice.

Had he been a Giant he and Ramses and Koets would be coming back after the BYE. It would be a great addition.

But I understand the logic. Hey, you want to show the Giants screw you! I am healthy, and I can come back and be productive and show the HC, GM, doctors and everyone else. Except that's not the case, and his production is down which hurts the player's stock and value. I am sure people think he is done or hasn't recovered.

Like I said he made his choice, now he can make another one and say, let me play this year out and I want to go back to the Giants. That's his choice too.. We will see how this all plays out.
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So Ramses is like "I'm ready to go" but then says he's not sure if he'll practice.

Like seriously...f off Barden. I'm done with you. Jerk.
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Haha this is classic. I REALLY hope the fact that Barden may or may not be coming off the PUP list has zero effect on any potential upgrades at this position or any position.
Well we are going to have to many WR's on the team for this year which is why they wouldn't add Smith. They obviously still like Barden otherwise he would have been cut at this point.
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If Smith can come back to his old form, I'd love for him to come back next year and be our full time slot WR, with Nicks and Cruz on the outside. Trade Mario or don't resign him.

Cruz is better outside than in the slot anyway, and Smith is the perfect slot WR in our system.

If Philly is willing to take a 7th for Smith, I'd do it NOW.
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Well we are going to have to many WR's on the team for this year which is why they wouldn't add Smith. They obviously still like Barden otherwise he would have been cut at this point.
I would hope if Smith was truly available fairly cheap, we would just cut Barden.
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I say cut Jernigan. He's gonna be a bust. I can tell already. He sucks.

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If Smith can come back to his old form, I'd love for him to come back next year and be our full time slot WR, with Nicks and Cruz on the outside. Trade Mario or don't resign him.

Cruz is better outside than in the slot anyway, and Smith is the perfect slot WR in our system.

If Philly is willing to take a 7th for Smith, I'd do it NOW.
Re-sign MM. I wouldn't let him go. I want 3 guys who can hit home runs. Sorry Smith, you made your decision, so you need to come in and re-establish yourself. If you can win the spot, cool. But I am not letting MM go. Also, let's develop JJ and see how he can do. He had no mini camp or OTAs. So Smith has to prove himself again. First things first, let's see where he is health wise. It's not like he is resting and stuff. I am sure he is practicing and playing in games, so who knows what that's done to his recovery process.

Bring him in and we can evaluate him from a medical standpoint and see what's going on.
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The Giants just can't nail a 3rd round pick under Reese. Only good one was Mario.

07: Jay Alford - this was unfortunate bc he was going to be great if he never tore his ACL.

08: Mario - Nailed this one. Great pick all things considered.

09: Barden/Beckum - busts.

10: Chad Jones - unfortunate but still a bust

11: Jernigan - I'm calling it. Bust.
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