Alan Faneca Holdout? - Page 2

TheGunShow · 03-22-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

The LT thing actually happened.

No, I wouldn't. Not in this draft. This draft is stacked with talented OGs, and why should I give up a 1st for an OG at the latter end of his career when I can easily find a young talented OG that I can potentially have on my roster for much longer? Doesn't make sense.

Hutch is great, don't get me wrong. But its always better to go youth movement. Every GM in the league will tell you that.

Okay, Homer! I'm sure that really happened. Like Hines Ward went back in time to stop the JFK assassination. He blocked all three bullets with his smile. JFK's head exploded out of sure amazement. That really happened too.

So it's better to go with an unproven player over a proven commodity? See you keep saying a 30 year old guard is old. 2007 Pro Bowl. Alan Faneca(30), Will Shields(35), Brian Waters(30), Steve Hutchinson(29), Larry Allen(35), Ruben Brown(35).

Again, Faneca has five good years left.

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If the Steelers couldve gotten a 1st for Faneca, he wouldve been out the door along time ago.

Faneca was a first round pick. It just took him three years to become the pro bowl player he is today. And if we had the money I would be all for signing him to a long-term deal. But we are cash strapped. But no way you can let him leave for anything less than a top 45 pick. We'll get a 90 something pick if we let him leave next year and have one more year of his service.

draftguru151 · 03-22-2007, 03:07 PM

Using the pro bowl argument for OL isn't very good because the same guys go every year. Shields and Allen were average at best, Brown was good and Hutch had a down year for his talent. I'd give up a first for Shawn Andrews, Chris Snee, Steinbach, Dielman, maybe a few other guys, but not Faneca.

D-Unit · 03-22-2007, 03:26 PM

Hellooooooo Randy Moss!!!!

TheGunShow · 03-22-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151

Using the pro bowl argument for OL isn't very good because the same guys go every year. Shields and Allen were average at best, Brown was good and Hutch had a down year for his talent. I'd give up a first for Shawn Andrews, Chris Snee, Steinbach, Dielman, maybe a few other guys, but not Faneca.

Just say no. Just say no. Crack is very bad. Oh, how many Pro Bowls do Snee, Andrews, Steinbach, Dielman have? Oh, that's right Pro Bowls don't count for anything. They give those to the crappy players. Mmmmm Hmmmm. Good intelligent argument!

bigbluedefense · 03-22-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGunShow

Okay, Homer! I'm sure that really happened. Like Hines Ward went back in time to stop the JFK assassination. He blocked all three bullets with his smile. JFK's head exploded out of sure amazement. That really happened too.

So it's better to go with an unproven player over a proven commodity? See you keep saying a 30 year old guard is old. 2007 Pro Bowl. Alan Faneca(30), Will Shields(35), Brian Waters(30), Steve Hutchinson(29), Larry Allen(35), Ruben Brown(35).

Again, Faneca has five good years left.

Faneca was a first round pick. It just took him three years to become the pro bowl player he is today. And if we had the money I would be all for signing him to a long-term deal. But we are cash strapped. But no way you can let him leave for anything less than a top 45 pick. We'll get a 90 something pick if we let him leave next year and have one more year of his service.

Steeler homers could get real friggin annoying sometimes

03-22-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Steeler homers could get real friggin annoying sometimes

Homers in general.

This is enough, there is no way Faneca gets a first, unless someone is forced to trade at gunpoint. He is simply not worth it.

Also, the older you get, the easier it will be to get injured. To say over and over that he has at least 5 great years left is crazy. I say you could realistically hope for 3, and anything after that is bonus (assuming he doesn't retire).

TheGunShow · 03-22-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Steeler homers could get real friggin annoying sometimes

Yeah, can you tell me about the time LT broke the land speed record on a bicycle that was missing its chain and the back tire.

bigbluedefense · 03-22-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGunShow

Yeah, can you tell me about the time LT broke the land speed record on a bicycle that was missing its chain and the back tire.

You know, it would not surprise me at all if you looked like the guy in your sig.

And by the way, Im sure LT probably could do that. Didn't you hear? He was a manimal.

He also had the energy to end world hunger, but he used that energy pursuing other recreational activities such as smoking crack.

draftguru151 · 03-22-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGunShow

Just say no. Just say no. Crack is very bad. Oh, how many Pro Bowls do Snee, Andrews, Steinbach, Dielman have? Oh, that's right Pro Bowls don't count for anything. They give those to the crappy players. Mmmmm Hmmmm. Good intelligent argument!

You can take Shields, Allen and Faneca, I'll take Andrews Snee and Steinbach. Call me crazy. But I like guys who are still good apposed to being good a few years ago.

Shiver · 03-22-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151

You can take Shields, Allen and Faneca, I'll take Andrews Snee and Steinbach. Call me crazy. But I like guys who are still good apposed to being good a few years ago.

Replace Steinbach, with Logan Mankins, and I would be in complete agreement with you.

America · 03-22-2007, 06:35 PM

Word Mankins is a beast, I was surprised that he didn't go to the Pro Bowl this year.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 03-22-2007, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by America

Word Mankins is a beast, I was surprised that he didn't go to the Pro Bowl this year.

The media needs everyone on that team to suck so Tom Brady can do it all.

steelernation77 · 03-22-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Steeler homers could get real friggin annoying sometimes

Please you of all people should NEVER call anyone a homer.

That being said, I don't think Faneca will get a 1st round pick no matter if he is worth one or not.

skinzzfan25 · 03-22-2007, 07:31 PM

The Redskins are still kinda looking for a guard, but I think his price tag would be too much. We're more concerned on the defensive side of the ball and locking up Cooley for next year.

Stash · 03-22-2007, 10:04 PM

IMO 30 is not that old for an offensive lineman. Their skills don't really deteriorate like some of the other skill positions so they can play a lot longer barring injury. 1st rounder, no way. 2nd rounder, possible. 3rd rounder and a mediocre player sounds like a better fit.

niel89 · 03-23-2007, 01:33 AM

Faneca= 2 1st rounders+ a bad of chips!!!! he still could have 10 good years left

realisticly he has 3 more good years. a lot of probowls are based on reputation for linemen. i

moc182 · 03-23-2007, 07:37 AM

I think he's worth a 2nd, best guard in the league by a mile in my opinion.

bigbluedefense · 03-23-2007, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by steelernation77

Please you of all people should NEVER call anyone a homer.

That being said, I don't think Faneca will get a 1st round pick no matter if he is worth one or not.

Am I that big of a homer? Maybe I should throw 1968 Giants > 1968 Steelers in my sig too.

TheGunShow · 03-23-2007, 12:12 PM

Anyone that says Faneca is worth less than a second is ********. Plain and simple. If the Steelers just allow him to play out his contract and leave for free agency the likely seven straight pro bowl OG Alan Faneca will blow any deal of any guard ever out of the water. Will make Hutchinson look like he's playing for peanuts. And the Steelers will EASILY get a third round pick for compensation. So why would they take a third for him when they could get one more year of PRO BOWL talent and then get their third round pick? Nope. If they would trade him they will not take less than fair market value. I say the bears first. Or the Cards second and switching third round picks and a 5th. Or the Seahawks second and next years third round picks. That's about where he is worth.

crazyisme · 03-23-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGunShow

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! He's made SIX straight pro bowls! He's worth a first plus another first day pick based on games played and pro bowl performance next year. The Bears are in need of a OG. Maybe their first or Mark Anderson and a conditional pick next year.

A 4th? Really! Would you of traded Will Shields when he was 30 for a 4th?

what a great example of a fan completely overvaluing his own player

a first AND another first day pick, now THATS the real joke, consider your self lucky to get a first day pick for a 30 year old OG

03-23-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGunShow

Anyone that says Faneca is worth less than a second is ********. Plain and simple. If the Steelers just allow him to play out his contract and leave for free agency the likely seven straight pro bowl OG Alan Faneca will blow any deal of any guard ever out of the water. Will make Hutchinson look like he's playing for peanuts. And the Steelers will EASILY get a third round pick for compensation. So why would they take a third for him when they could get one more year of PRO BOWL talent and then get their third round pick? Nope. If they would trade him they will not take less than fair market value. I say the bears first. Or the Cards second and switching third round picks and a 5th. Or the Seahawks second and next years third round picks. That's about where he is worth.

At least you've backed off your "FIRST ROUNDER" bull.

TheGunShow · 03-23-2007, 01:15 PM

I never backed off the Bears would be a fair value for their first! Anything less than that we'd need a lot more to get value back.

TheGunShow · 03-23-2007, 01:20 PM

You know you guys are right. I think the Steelers should trade their 4th round pick and get Steve Hutchinson. If Faneca wants to leave let him it will only cost us a 4th to get a replacement.

03-23-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGunShow

I never backed off the Bears would be a fair value for their first! Anything less than that we'd need a lot more to get value back.

A 30 year old guard will not get a first round pick in a draft this filled with OG talent. Chances are he wouldn't get first round value in any other draft. He may get second if you find a "win now" team with crappy OG's, but otherwise, take the third.

TheGunShow · 03-23-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by frogstomp

A 30 year old guard will not get a first round pick in a draft this filled with OG talent. Chances are he wouldn't get first round value in any other draft. He may get second if you find a "win now" team with crappy OG's, but otherwise, take the third.

WE'D GET A THIRD IN COMPENSATION FROM THE LEAGUE!!!