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# Mike Mayock: Marcus Gilbert has been steadily been moving up draft boards. He's a 2nd-round pick with starter potential.

# Mike Mayock: James Carpenter is a finesse left tackle. A 2nd-round pick with starter potential.

# Mike Mayock: Orlando Franklin is the most physical of the non 1st-round tackles. Rising up charts; not sure if he'll be inside/outside

# Mike Mayock: The guy I'm intrigued by is Jah Reid. He's a right tackle only, but he's a starting right tackle 2 years from now.
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Really like Orlando Franklin as a OG in the NFL. Reminds me alot of Carl Nicks on the Saints
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agree with Mayock that after the top prospects it's actually a pretty good tackle class

also agree that Gilbert and Carpenter are decent options for a team like Dallas, deciding whether to reach at 9 or wait til 40... you can get a starter a 40.

but i'd put Lee Ziemba over Jah Reid.
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Franklin is truly one of the prospects in this draft that I have no idea what their value is or where they go.

The intriguing option that I saw was James Carpenter as a potential LT in the 2nd round. This is the 2nd time that Mayock has said that he sees Carpenter playing LT in the league.
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love me some gilbert...he will be a better pro than max starks imo
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Again from Mayock.

31.Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi St.

Historically, it's not unusual to see five offensive tackles go in the first round. Either Sherrod or Marcus Gilbert from Florida are guys who are very solid picks who could end up in the back end of the first round.
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agree with Mayock that after the top prospects it's actually a pretty good tackle class

also agree that Gilbert and Carpenter are decent options for a team like Dallas, deciding whether to reach at 9 or wait til 40... you can get a starter a 40.

but i'd put Lee Ziemba over Jah Reid.
Did you watch Ziemba at the Senior Bowl practices. He was eaten up alive by every defensive lineman he faced. No way he can ever start at OT at the next level.
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Did you watch Ziemba at the Senior Bowl practices. He was eaten up alive by every defensive lineman he faced. No way he can ever start at OT at the next level.
I did... he's better in games than in practices... he's also better at RT than OG. The pit in general favors defensive linemen, it's not realistic to put a guy in that much space and expect him to hold it down.

put it another way Jah Reid got raped in the pit at E/W Shrine... senior bowl at least has better prospects. we are talking about the #10 slot here...
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Could Marcus Gilbert go 1st round like Mayock projects?
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Anyone else think Watkins would be able to play tackle? He played LT in college and did it well. At the very least he could be a good RT with LT potential.
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Anyone else think Watkins would be able to play tackle? He played LT in college and did it well. At the very least he could be a good RT with LT potential.
I think his skill set makes him pretty well an OG where he has all-pro potential. As an OT even at RT, he would be very average at best.
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Could Marcus Gilbert go 1st round like Mayock projects?
Just takes one GM although I believe Mayock pegs him as a solid round 2 guy. The top OT class is rather average and if you cannot break into that group, I have a hard time seeing him taken in round 1 although he is on the cusp.
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I did... he's better in games than in practices... he's also better at RT than OG. The pit in general favors defensive linemen, it's not realistic to put a guy in that much space and expect him to hold it down.

put it another way Jah Reid got raped in the pit at E/W Shrine... senior bowl at least has better prospects. we are talking about the #10 slot here...
You could be right but I just don't see it, I wouldn't touch the guy, but that is just my opinion.
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Just takes one GM although I believe Mayock pegs him as a solid round 2 guy. The top OT class is rather average and if you cannot break into that group, I have a hard time seeing him taken in round 1 although he is on the cusp.
If Gilbert is carrying a solid 2nd round grade, and I trust Mayock as he seems the most plugged in of all of the draft guys, then he could easily make his way into the late 1st round.

If Gilbert is close to the Sherrods and Solders of the world it really comes down to preference as most of these guys carry fringe 1st high 2nd round grades.

25-35 in this draft seems all the same.

Would it shock people if either Chicago, Pittsburgh or Green Bay take Gilbert at the end of the run on OTs.
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If Gilbert is carrying a solid 2nd round grade, and I trust Mayock as he seems the most plugged in of all of the draft guys, then he could easily make his way into the late 1st round.

If Gilbert is close to the Sherrods and Solders of the world it really comes down to preference as most of these guys carry fringe 1st high 2nd round grades.

25-35 in this draft seems all the same.

Would it shock people if either Chicago, Pittsburgh or Green Bay take Gilbert at the end of the run on OTs.
I fully agree, in every draft year, the 25-35 group is basically in the same range and it only takes 1 GM to pull the trigger.
One GM may love Sherrod for instance and another may love Gilbert, personal preference certainly plays its part in the draft.
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I watched Gilbert vs Penn State and came away with the following observations.

He has a disciplined, but not explosive, kick slide.

He maintains his post foot and does not give up inside pressure.

The sloppy part of his game is in his hand use and placement. When he punches and keeps his hands up he is very effective at maintaining the pocket. When he does he grabs and ends up with his hands in places where he can generate no power.

His run blocking was better then I thought it would be especially when they ran at him and he sealed the edge a couple of times.

He plays high in the run game on a couple of plays and seemed to just envelop his opponent.

Gilbert's feet and explosive ability is not on par with Sherrod and Solder, but he seems very close to a guy like Carimi where they are never going to over set someone.

Crawford is listed as a potential high pick when he comes out and I did not have him with a single QB sack, hit or pressure.

He is a tough evaluation because Florida's offense is a mess and I have no idea what they are trying to do. I think that he could play LT as well as a guy like Carimi and his best position may be RT or even inside at OG, but I would not write off his ability to play LT.
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I fully agree, in every draft year, the 25-35 group is basically in the same range and it only takes 1 GM to pull the trigger.
One GM may love Sherrod for instance and another may love Gilbert, personal preference certainly plays its part in the draft.
I third this notion, but this isn't just like "every year" - 2-3 years down the line this year's 4th round may feature a group of players just as good if not better than the entire 2nd round
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I third this notion, but this isn't just like "every year" - 2-3 years down the line this year's 4th round may feature a group of players just as good if not better than the entire 2nd round
That is extremely rare, but there are many weak drafts where a second rounder is more like a 3rd rounder from a strong draft.
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What do we think of OT James Carpenter, who Mayock indicated is a LT prospect and has climbed into the 2nd round.

Carpenter was the best pass protector at the Senior Bowl and has some pretty good tape.

He looks athletic in his kick slide and he redirected inside well during one one ones.
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Carpenter Highlights

These are mixed plays from a couple of games this year Carpenter is 77 for Alabama playing LT. I like his feet and he is a tenacious, not overly powerful run blocker.

Penn State

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Florida

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I spent sometime this morning watching Miami Hurricane Tape and I came away much more impressed with Orlando Franklin then I thought I would.

He moves pretty well, not Sherrod or Solder, but not far behind Carimi and he has decent technique.

What stands out is that this guy is a total bad ***. He flat out looks like he is in a street fight and comes off the ball trying to destroy people. I saw a couple of just nasty pancake blocks.

He might be interesting as you draft him in the 2nd and try him at LT and at worse he plays RT or LG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWCzQLrejBE

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Franklin is truly one of the prospects in this draft that I have no idea what their value is or where they go.

The intriguing option that I saw was James Carpenter as a potential LT in the 2nd round. This is the 2nd time that Mayock has said that he sees Carpenter playing LT in the league.
I would say deep rather than good. The top end is definitely light, and the best prospects, eg Carimi, are much better suited to RT.

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