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Old 03-30-2011, 07:52 PM    (permalink
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Most everyone was impressed with Locker's pro day, scripted as it was. Almost everyone except Charley Casserly and Mike Lombardi who are steadfast that Locker is nothing more than a 3rd or 4th round pick. I'm having a hard time understanding their claims that Gabbert is a top 5 pick and Locker somehow a bum, maybe it's me but put these guys out to pasture, the sooner the better.
Your right, they did scouting and decision making on the draft for pro teams, for years, for real, so their opinion isn't worth much, oh yeah, they check out their claims with their friends around the league who are GM's and pro scouts, but what does that matter.
If you want to say they aren't perfect, well then, I agree with you, but to say their opinions don't count seems foolish to me.

It is clear to me that Locker is dropping, he isn't accurate, pure and simple, and that is an extremely hard area to improve at after you are drafted. They questioned his leadership abilities, and why, say against Nebraska, a 1st round QB prospect would only complete his 1st pass in the 3rd quarter.
Of course as with Tebow last year, it just takes one decision maker to prove everybody wrong.
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Here's some photos from USC's Pro Day: http://wearesc.com/extras/gallery.php?id=63

Tyron Smith looks so much bigger than when he was at SC.
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Your right, they did scouting and decision making on the draft for pro teams, for years, for real, so their opinion isn't worth much, oh yeah, they check out their claims with their friends around the league who are GM's and pro scouts, but what does that matter.
If you want to say they aren't perfect, well then, I agree with you, but to say their opinions don't count seems foolish to me.

It is clear to me that Locker is dropping, he isn't accurate, pure and simple, and that is an extremely hard area to improve at after you are drafted. They questioned his leadership abilities, and why, say against Nebraska, a 1st round QB prospect would only complete his 1st pass in the 3rd quarter.
Of course as with Tebow last year, it just takes one decision maker to prove everybody wrong.
Well Casserly doesnt have Locker or Newton going in the first round so yeah i'm saying he doesnt know what he's talking about.

As for Locker's accuracy problems he has improved in that dept. from the Senior Bowl to the combine to his pro day. I guess if you think someone can never improve in that area then i guess there is no sense even bothering with the whole process.
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Well Casserly doesnt have Locker or Newton going in the first round so yeah i'm saying he doesnt know what he's talking about.

As for Locker's accuracy problems he has improved in that dept. from the Senior Bowl to the combine to his pro day. I guess if you think someone can never improve in that area then i guess there is no sense even bothering with the whole process.
I agree with you, I have seen improvement in his accuracy this offseason... It does concern me that only one head coach, Carroll, was at the workout. With someone with so many questions to answer, I would have thought more would have attended.
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I have to admit, I am one of those guys that never thought Jake Locker should be a 1st round pick... but I was thoroughly impressed with his pro-day. He threw very well and looked great doing it. I wish he would've thrown about 10 more passes though.
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I agree with you, I have seen improvement in his accuracy this offseason... It does concern me that only one head coach, Carroll, was at the workout. With someone with so many questions to answer, I would have thought more would have attended.

Shanahan was there 'in spirit'.
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Todd McShay about Locker's pro day "it was against air, it was scripted." He is a retodd
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USC offensive tackle Tyron Smith strengthened his draft status, reinforcing that he's the top offensive tackle prospect by running a 4.96 in the 40-yard dash during his pro pay workout Wednesday and bench pressing 225 pounds 31 times, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.

Smith also excelled in positional drills.
Garrett was in attendance and Smith will meet with Dallas on Monday. Get Em'.

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Might as well just get rid of pro days. When guys that people like do well then it's "that should solidify them going early" then when it's guys that people dont care for it's "scripted and throwing against air". To be fair i think that McShay had Jake as his #2 QB but who knows if he's flip flopped on that.

It was what it was, a workout indoors with a lot of simple throws involved. Where it's relevant in Locker's case is some of those throws he was struggling with at the Senior Bowl, the fact that he's gotten better from then to the combine to the pro day i think is a factor.
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Might as well just get rid of pro days. When guys that people like do well then it's "that should solidify them going early" then when it's guys that people dont care for it's "scripted and throwing against air". To be fair i think that McShay had Jake as his #2 QB but who knows if he's flip flopped on that.

It was what it was, a workout indoors with a lot of simple throws involved. Where it's relevant in Locker's case is some of those throws he was struggling with at the Senior Bowl, the fact that he's gotten better from then to the combine to the pro day i think is a factor.
How is Locker's accuracy on the deep ball?
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How is Locker's accuracy on the deep ball?
That and throwing on the run was never an issue. He overthrew a couple yesterday but they were nice 60 yarders just out of the reach of his receivers. If i were making excuses i'd say pro guys would have caught up to those balls but i wont make excuses.
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That and throwing on the run was never an issue. He overthrew a couple yesterday but they were nice 60 yarders just out of the reach of his receivers. If i were making excuses i'd say pro guys would have caught up to those balls but i wont make excuses.
Honest question. Do you think Locker has improved dramatically since the season ended?
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Honest question. Do you think Locker has improved dramatically since the season ended?
Taking off my homer glasses i'd have to say yes and temper that by saying the combine and pro day arent game conditions. The knock at the senior bowl was he couldnt throw strikes consistantly. At the combine i thought he was much better and yesterday even though it was friendly conditions he was near perfect.

To me it looks like the earliest he might go is 8th to the Titans and the lowest 16th to the Jags.
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Taking off my homer glasses i'd have to say yes and temper that by saying the combine and pro day arent game conditions. The knock at the senior bowl was he couldnt throw strikes consistantly. At the combine i thought he was much better and yesterday even though it was friendly conditions he was near perfect.

To me it looks like the earliest he might go is 8th to the Titans and the lowest 16th to the Jags.
I would agree that he's made progress... which makes me think Sarkisian really isn't as good a QB coach as hyped up to be. Because really, almost every supporter of him returning to school made that a main focal point for him making the right decision... that "another year under Sarkisian would do wonders for him"... when in actuality, that really wasn't the case as his disappointing season is undebatable. This is really more a knock on Sark than it is Locker.
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There was a lot of talk on NFL Network that he wasn't as accurate as his completion % indicated. They seriously questioned his placement of the ball, there is more to passing than just having a uncovered WR catch a ball. At the next level, a QB has to be able to put the ball in specific places to get a real completion, and as I said, this is where they are questioning Locker's accuracy.
They also questioned why Locker threw mostly short and intermediate balls and shied away from the deep throws???
Almost to a man including Mora and another former NFL HC, said that if you are inaccurate in college, your chances of improving that skill significantly at the next level is extremely difficult.
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There was a lot of talk on NFL Network that he wasn't as accurate as his completion % indicated. They seriously questioned his placement of the ball, there is more to passing than just having a uncovered WR catch a ball. At the next level, a QB has to be able to put the ball in specific places to get a real completion, and as I said, this is where they are questioning Locker's accuracy.
They also questioned why Locker threw mostly short and intermediate balls and shied away from the deep throws???
Almost to a man including Mora and another former NFL HC, said that if you are inaccurate in college, your chances of improving that skill significantly at the next level is extremely difficult.
Sounds like you didnt watch the workout because i thought his ball placement was excellant. There were probably two balls that the receiver had to lay out for and ironically the two that hit the ground i thought were well thrown 60 yard passes that pro wrs would have caught. In total he was very accurate albeit with a lot of safe passes.

The thing with accuracy is first off you have to ask yourself why someone is inaccurate. If someone has time to throw and flat misses open receivers that is differant than someone with not a lot of time trying to throw to mediocre WRs. As i've pointed out before, Matt Stafford was a 55% passer before AJ Green showed up and Josh Freeman's completion % dropped quite a bit after Jordy Nelson left.

If you want to believe someone can never become more accurate with hard work then how did someone like Brett Favre ever make it from a 55% college passer to a 1st ballot HOFer.

As for NFLN they for the most part dont care for Locker or just parrot what Casserly and Lombardi say. I noticed Mayock (who has Locker as his #2 QB) wasnt at the pro day yesterday for Locker, he probably couldnt stand the thought of sitting next to him on the long plane ride to Seattle.
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I'd take Locker over Mallett and Dalton.
probably something like;
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2) Blaine Gabbert-1st-Titans
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Heard Quinn was in the high 4.5s at his pro day. Wow. Him and Bowers are like two ships passing in the night going in opposite directions.
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Ryan Travis: The 6-3, 245-pound tight end from Massillon, Ohio is a consensus first-team NCAA Division II All-America for the second straight year. The only college football player in the country to catch at least 10 passes in every game this fall, Travis also was a Daktronics and Don Hansen All-America pick. He led the nation with 126 catches for 1,402 yards despite playing just a 10-game schedule. Travis’s 126 catches and 12.6 average per game each rank No. 2 all-time on the NCAA Division II single-season receiving list while his 15 TD catches tied the NCAA Division II single-season record for tight ends. His 285 career catches are the fifth-highest total for any NCAA Division II receiver in history. The converted running back is West Liberty’s career leader in catches (285), receiving yards (3,228) and receiving touchdowns (34).

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When is Notre Dame's Pro Day so I can know how well Darrin Walls does?
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Armando Allen
Vertical: 31.5”
Broad Jump: 10’
Bench Press: N/A
40-Yard dash: 4.58/4.59
Pro Agility: 4.12/4.15
3-Cone Drill: 7.10
60-Yard Shuttle:11.45/11.57

Robert Hughes
Vertical: 32”
Broad Jump: 9’4”
Bench Press: 26
40-Yard Dash: 4.89/4.89
Pro Agility: 4.66/4.69
3-Cone Drill: 7.26
60-Yard Shuttle: 12.14/12.13

Duval Kamara
Vertical: 32.5”
Broad Jump: 10’1”
Bench Press: 11
40-Yard Dash: 4.84/4.75
Pro Agility: 4.49/4.48
3-Cone Drill: 7.41
60-Yard Shuttle: 11.78/11.70

Kerry Neal
Vertical: 27.5”
Broad Jump: 9’3”
Bench Press: 24
40-Yard Dash: 5.17/5.15
Pro Agility: 4.60/4.54
3-Cone Drill: 7.43
60-Yard Shuttle: 12.41/-

Kyle Rudolph
Vertical: 34.5”
Broad Jump: 9’5”
Bench Press: 19
40-Yard Dash: 4.78/4.80
Pro Agility: 4.37/4.37
3-Cone Drill: 7.24
60-Yard Shuttle: 12.30/12.23

Brian Smith
Vertical: 30.5”
Broad Jump: 9’5”
Bench Press: 15
40-Yard Dash: 4.72/4.82
Pro Agility: 4.31/4.30
3-Cone Drill: 7.18
60-Yard Shuttle: 11.89/11.84

Chris Stewart
Vertical: 28”
Broad Jump: 7’8”
Bench Press: 24
40-Yard Dash: 5.57/5.58
Pro Agility: 4.92/4.90
3-Cone Drill 7.69
60-Yard Shuttle: -/-

Darrin Walls
Vertical: 28.5”
Broad Jump: 10’2”
Bench Press: 15
40-Yard Dash: 4.39/4.42
Pro Agility: 4.18/4.15
3-Cone Drill: 6.88
60-Yard Shuttle: 10.85/10.82

Ian Williams
Vertical: N/A
Broad Jump: N/A
Bench Press: N/A
40-Yard Dash: 5.10/5.20
Pro Agility: N/A
3-Cone Drill: 7.75
60-Yard Shuttle: N/A
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good 40s for walls but a shocking vertical. Rudolph is clearly not fully back, he is way quicker than that
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Oh Ballard can run for sure. He can really move and has great feet. He just isn't all that great at the point of attack.
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Get someone to coach him up and let him loose. He was moved around a lot along the line at Iowa. Get him a set position and his numbers will jump. His strongest asset isnt his speed but his feet. He is very very fast for his size but his best attribute is that he is very nimble.

When I get back ill throw some pics up of the Iowa proday.

SI pro daytracker is saying both Clayborn and Ballard probably solidifed 1st round picks today. Both supposedly looked phenomenal.
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The Jets are all over that.
Very good point about his quick feet, you can see his foot-speed in this video. Skip to 1:52 for the specific drill.

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Sounds like you didnt watch the workout because i thought his ball placement was excellant. There were probably two balls that the receiver had to lay out for and ironically the two that hit the ground i thought were well thrown 60 yard passes that pro wrs would have caught. In total he was very accurate albeit with a lot of safe passes.

The thing with accuracy is first off you have to ask yourself why someone is inaccurate. If someone has time to throw and flat misses open receivers that is differant than someone with not a lot of time trying to throw to mediocre WRs. As i've pointed out before, Matt Stafford was a 55% passer before AJ Green showed up and Josh Freeman's completion % dropped quite a bit after Jordy Nelson left.

If you want to believe someone can never become more accurate with hard work then how did someone like Brett Favre ever make it from a 55% college passer to a 1st ballot HOFer.

As for NFLN they for the most part dont care for Locker or just parrot what Casserly and Lombardi say. I noticed Mayock (who has Locker as his #2 QB) wasnt at the pro day yesterday for Locker, he probably couldnt stand the thought of sitting next to him on the long plane ride to Seattle.
Well, even Mayock has dropped Locker considerably on his latest rankings suggesting that he wasn't all that impressive at his pro day.
You can disagree about what the people on NFLN are saying about Locker all you want but in the end, their opinions are run past scouts and GM's all the time. Locker isn't improving his stock, he's dropping and is now a late 1st rounder at best.
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Does Armando Allen have any shot of being drafted?
a very small one but like I keep pushing with regards to demarco murray, an oft injured backup back is not something that has a good ring to it.
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