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Old 03-08-2011, 07:50 PM    (permalink
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It seemed more like a gab session. He didn't start to throw until 5 P.M. I think personal were there from about 8 A.M. Apparently he and the pot bellied guru, George, were in Miami all of last week polishing the image and the product with IMG Marketing. Shows where their priorities lie. These guys all want to get rich as of last week, and are all looking for the shortest route to a life of decadence.
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Probably a lot more teams praying he slips a little or a lot.
It was an extremely windy day at Auburn's pro day and you could not but be liking the zip on his arm , as for the misses, it was an extremely hard day to be accurate so I wouldn't put much into 10 misses.
What impresses me is his determination to be great, he'll workout without hesitation and continues to try and get better. That is what you need to succeed at the next level.
I was referring to the teams that would get a better player on their board fall if a QB or two were to go in the top few picks.

As for him wanting to workout that is what the pro day is for, he could have run the 40 but passed on that. I give him credit for doing everything at the combine, Gabbert looked rather foolish by not throwing.
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Take into account that it was fairly windy in Auburn today...was up to 14 MPH around 4pm which should have been around when he was throwing.
I'll have to go check my doppler radar and get the exact mph for wind. It seemed fine out there while i was watching it.
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14... and the average for the day was a mighty 9.

Are people seriously going to say this is a valid reason for him to be inaccurate?

While we're at it, the sun was probably in his eyes, so we better account for that too.

God forbid he plays in a game where the wind gets up to gusts of 25-40
It is absolutely a factor. Sam Bradford's Pro Day was indoors last year. So was Matt Ryan's. It doesn't have to be a monsoon to make an impact; and you're comparing windy conditions to two Pro Days that were held indoors in absolutely perfect conditions.
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It is absolutely a factor. Sam Bradford's Pro Day was indoors last year. So was Matt Ryan's. It doesn't have to be a monsoon to make an impact; and you're comparing windy conditions to two Pro Days that were held indoors in absolutely perfect conditions.
I'm not comparing anything. I didn't mention anyone else's workout.

What I am saying is if he can't be accurate when he's rehearsed the workout, with players he's familiar with, against air, and can't be accurate because of a slight breeze especially with how strong his arm is, how is he going to be accurate with defenders on the field, in the pocket, and in the wind, rain, or snow.

Football is almost never played at 100%, because of injuries, weather, etc. The weather isn't perfect? Deal with it.

If you are seriously going to say this is a viable excuse, then the Bengals and Bills should take him off their draft board entirely

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Wait - i'm hearing he was 54/60 ....
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What I am saying is if he can't be accurate when he's rehearsed the workout, with players he's familiar with, against air, and can't be accurate because of a slight breeze especially with how strong his arm is, how is he going to be accurate with defenders on the field, in the pocket, and in the wind, rain, or snow.
Seems like every report has been very positive to me.

ESPN: Cam Newton shows accuracy at pro day
Mayock: Cam Newton's pro day workout drew rave reviews from Mike Mayock on Tuesday.
Gil Brandt: Newton’s pro day shows why he should go No. 1
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Seems like every report has been very positive to me.

ESPN: Cam Newton shows accuracy at pro day
Mayock: Cam Newton's pro day workout drew rave reviews from Mike Mayock on Tuesday.
Gil Brandt: Newton’s pro day shows why he should go No. 1
This is what I expected... I am waiting for someone to come out and declare this is the greatest workout they've ever seen which seems to happen on a yearly basis for one of the quarterbacks.

I was going off the 50/60 claim, which is why I added if true

Of course Mayock will freely admit that the greatest workout he's ever seen was... JaMarcus Russell
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This is what I expected... I am waiting for someone to come out and declare this is the greatest workout they've ever seen which seems to happen on a yearly basis for one of the quarterbacks.

I was going off the 50/60 claim, which is why I added if true

Of course Mayock will freely admit that the greatest workout he's ever seen was... JaMarcus Russell
I don't think anybody is comparing Newton to Russell as far as determination to be great is concerned or to Gabbert for that matter.
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50/60 is the correct number, there were 2 or 3 drops and the rest were legit incompletions. There was a little bit of wind but not enough dramatically affect his passes. He looked ok, he wasn't terrible and he wasn't great. The whole thing is pretty overrated in my opinion. Everything was rehearsed and planned and didn't really answer any questions most teams probably have about him.
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I don't think anybody is comparing Newton to Russell as far as determination to be great is concerned or to Gabbert for that matter.
You're missing the point. I am of the opinion that pro day workouts for quarterbacks are just about worthless because it is basically a highlight tape.

But, if Newton blew his workout away, it will truly be legendary because he was forced to brave the elements that included... 14 mph gusts

The fact alone should boost his stock
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50/60 is the correct number, there were 2 or 3 drops and the rest were legit incompletions. There was a little bit of wind but not enough dramatically affect his passes. He looked ok, he wasn't terrible and he wasn't great. The whole thing is pretty overrated in my opinion. Everything was rehearsed and planned and didn't really answer any questions most teams probably have about him.
Great expert opinion which contradicts everyone who was actually there.
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Great expert opinion which contradicts everyone who was actually there.
Indeed... little bit of wind is an unfair characterization.

They were actually gale force winds that would put a piece of straw through a tree.

Fortunately, Cam Newton's arm was so strong, his throws pierced the wind like a hot knife through butter.
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Indeed... little bit of wind is an unfair characterization.

They were actually gale force winds that would put a piece of straw through a tree.

Fortunately, Cam Newton's arm was so strong, his throws pierced the wind like a hot knife through butter.
Herp derp. Why so ruined?
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Great expert opinion which contradicts everyone who was actually there.
Except for every pro and former pro scout will tell you they've NEVER seen a bad pro day from a Quarterback. Every single QB will out-do their Combine with their Pro Day.

All Newton did today is show up, showcase improving* footwork/mechanics, and throw his short-intermediate passes with more accuracy than he did in Indy. This day affects his stock in no way, but it's nice to see that he fared better than he did in front of cameras/evaluators in Indy. Still, he entered the day a Top 5 pick and the favorite to go #1, and that's how he'll be seen at the end of the day as well.
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Great expert opinion which contradicts everyone who was actually there.
I watched pretty much the whole thing and i agree with Fuzzy, it was good but i wasnt totally blown away.

Cam did well, i thought he answered some questions about making all the throws and his drops from center. He doesnt look all that accurate throwing on the run and his long balls are iffy but overall i'd say if you like him there are a lot of things that you can take away.
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I'm not comparing anything. I didn't mention anyone else's workout.

What I am saying is if he can't be accurate when he's rehearsed the workout, with players he's familiar with, against air, and can't be accurate because of a slight breeze especially with how strong his arm is, how is he going to be accurate with defenders on the field, in the pocket, and in the wind, rain, or snow.

Football is almost never played at 100%, because of injuries, weather, etc. The weather isn't perfect? Deal with it.

If you are seriously going to say this is a viable excuse, then the Bengals and Bills should take him off their draft board entirely
Lots of QB prospects workout indoors. I say it says something about Newton that he chose to work outdoors on a windy day. It was hardly a slight breeze.
Again, I say that Newton and Gabbert are only juniors and hardly finished products, some people will automatically downgrade them because they are raw, but if you ever hope to get a franchise QB and continue to pass on junior QB's, you could be waiting years and years for the right guy.
Charley Casserly(Sp.), the ex GM of the Houston Texans, hates Newton but he took David Carr #1 overall so maybe his opinion on QB's could be shaky.
Mayock will probably end up with Newton, #2 on his list(he's #3 right now), and he has a pretty solid resume on drafting QB's.
I like what Newton brings to the table as well as what Gabbert has to offer, I realize both are juniors and both will need an extra year to adjust but I feel that their upside warrants drafting them extremely high IMO. The position is simply too important to pass on these guys and I think the teams that do so will be crying for passing on them similar to how Miami is feeling today. Is there a risk, you bet there is but for me the rewards are too high to pass on.
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Great expert opinion which contradicts everyone who was actually there.
Care to elaborate? Or do you just want to sound like an asshole and provide no insight or opinion to this conversation?
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Lots of QB prospects workout indoors. I say it says something about Newton that he chose to work outdoors on a windy day. It was hardly a slight breeze.
There it is... this right here is the spin of legends

Not only is the wind (14mph? Are you listening, Chicago?) a valid excuse, it actually enhances him as a prospect
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Lots of QB prospects workout indoors. I say it says something about Newton that he chose to work outdoors on a windy day. It was hardly a slight breeze.
Again, I say that Newton and Gabbert are only juniors and hardly finished products, some people will automatically downgrade them because they are raw, but if you ever hope to get a franchise QB and continue to pass on junior QB's, you could be waiting years and years for the right guy.
Charley Casserly(Sp.), the ex GM of the Houston Texans, hates Newton but he took David Carr #1 overall so maybe his opinion on QB's could be shaky.
Mayock will probably end up with Newton, #2 on his list(he's #3 right now), and he has a pretty solid resume on drafting QB's.
I like what Newton brings to the table as well as what Gabbert has to offer, I realize both are juniors and both will need an extra year to adjust but I feel that their upside warrants drafting them extremely high IMO. The position is simply too important to pass on these guys and I think the teams that do so will be crying for passing on them similar to how Miami is feeling today. Is there a risk, you bet there is but for me the rewards are too high to pass on.
Agree for the most part. Although, the Auburn pro day has been set for a year or so, I don't know that Newt deserves credit for "choosing to work outdoors on a windy day". It was hardly his choice. Casserly and Mayock are on the money as far as the instincts and vision are concerned. But I think that Gabbert may be ahead in that department. Especially with the time he is getting in with Terry Shea.
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Not that anyone knows off the top, but IMO it's unusual for top QB prospects to workout outdoors.

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[quote=wonderbredd24;2547593]You're missing the point. I am of the opinion that pro day workouts for quarterbacks are just about worthless because it is basically a highlight tape.

I am in complete disagreement with you on this point. Pro scouts and GM's aren't going to use a pro day workout as the be all and end all of a player's assessment, Al Davis being an exception.
They aren't worthless in the least. A pro day shows off a QB's arm strength, you cannot hide that like so many college HC's do when running their system.
Pro teams are going to invite Newton to workout for them privately, where he will have to continue to showcase his skills for their scouts and GM's.
You cannot hide from weaknesses in your foot speed or your ability to drop back quickly or from defects in your throwing motion.
Your athletic skills and defects will come through any practice. The mental aspects of the game is completely a side issue that have to be assessed elsewhere.
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This workout did little to address the questions that are most asked about Newton other than to see some progression on his footwork as it relates to dropping back from under center. Those who love him still love him and those who don't did not see a reason to change their opinion today either.

Raise your hand if you learned today that Cam Newton had a strong arm. The comment that pro days expose arm strength when every throw from the previous season and most beyond that is on tape seems disingenuous at best.
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