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Old 03-16-2011, 06:28 PM    (permalink
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Ahmad Black ran a 4.74 and 4.76 at Florida's pro day per Rob Rang
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They all seem slow with their times down there in Gainesville. Do they know how to measure out 40 yards?.
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They all seem slow with their times down there in Gainesville. Do they know how to measure out 40 yards?.
Oddly enough, on NFLN they were talking about how Florida is considered a fast track. Though I have a hard time buying it considering its natural grass. Maybe it had the reputation back when almost everyone was on natural grass but not anymore. Ahmad Black and Brandon Spikes can attest to that.
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Black ran a 4.76 and 4.78, iirc, at the combine. I doubt his stock drops any further than it already has.
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Certainly didn't help himself one bit like some hoped he would though.
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I'm going to stick on the Ahmad Black train. He's not ever going to be great, but he can play.
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Yeah, I'm not terribly down on him for his 40 times. He's a good football player even if he isn't fast. He's got great instincts, is a sure tackler and is always making plays. I'd still draft him late and give him a fair chance to win some playing time.

And did he look slow playing in the SEC? Was he having trouble keeping up? The speed in the SEC is going to be comparable to that of the NFL. Lots of fast receivers and big running backs, and he didn't look out of place at all.

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Even college schemes can be designed to hide a player's weaknesses, and Ahmad Black is going to be exposed in the NFL if his top end speed is 4.7.

Who's he going to match up with one on one??

I'll admit I saw very little of UF last season, maybe three complete games, but I still say he can have the greatest anticipation and instincts in the world, if Black takes a fraction of a false step in coverage, 95% of the WRs in the NFL are going to dust him.

Laron Landry is 4 TENTHS OF A SECOND faster than Ahmad Black, and he's totally lost when he has to cover a WR more than 25 yards downfield.

Yeah football is all about 'real' game speed, not a stopwatch, but a DB running that slow is problematic.
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I just wanted to chime in here with some news and notes from the Stanford pro day today:

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Stanford’s participants included: Chike Amajoyi, Chase Beeler, Ryan Whalen, Brian Bulcke, Siona Fua, Derek Hall, Owen Marecic, Andrew Phillips, Taylor Skaufel, Richard Sherman, Doug Baldwin, Konrad Reuland, Thomas Keiser, Nate Whitaker, Alex Loukas and Zach Nolan.

The day consisted of classroom testing, weight room evaluations, on-field agility drills and football specific position drills.
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One scout had Marecic’s 40 time at 4.77. He also recorded a 32” vertical leap and 8’ 11” broad jump. Owen Marecic went through cone drills and then spent more than a half hour chatting with 49ers running backs coach Tom Rathman in a corner of the practice field.
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Nose tackle Sione Fua rested on all of the numbers he produced at the combine save the broad jump and vertical jump. His broad jump improved from 8 feet 5 inches to 8-7 while his vertical went from 24 inches to 28 inches. That's not bad, especially considering his weight went from 308 pounds in late February to 311 pounds today.


Fua has one private workout set up thus far -- with the Jets.
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He improved the 40 time he recorded at the Combine, clocking a 4.47 in today’s drills. he also had an impressive 11-foot broad jump and 37” vertical leap.
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Measured in at 6-3 3/8 inches and weighed 261 pounds. Keiser pulled a hamstring on his first attempt on the 40-yard dash; a make up date has not been set.
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Baldwin, Stanford’s leading receiver last season with 58 receptions for 857 yards and nine touchdowns, turned in “dominating” performances in all agility and position drills. He was clocked at 4.45 in the 40 and recorded a 10’ 3” broad jump to go along with a 37” vertical leap.
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Oddly enough, on NFLN they were talking about how Florida is considered a fast track. Though I have a hard time buying it considering its natural grass. Maybe it had the reputation back when almost everyone was on natural grass but not anymore. Ahmad Black and Brandon Spikes can attest to that.
I have been saying that for years now. Florida Pro Day times are notoriously slow (in comparison to other Pro Days - they usually match up with the combine numbers). I have no idea where the "fast track" business started. Like you said, it's a natural grass surface and always has been.
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Shame about Keiser. I'm really interested in what he brings to the table.
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Even college schemes can be designed to hide a player's weaknesses, and Ahmad Black is going to be exposed in the NFL if his top end speed is 4.7.

Who's he going to match up with one on one??

I'll admit I saw very little of UF last season, maybe three complete games, but I still say he can have the greatest anticipation and instincts in the world, if Black takes a fraction of a false step in coverage, 95% of the WRs in the NFL are going to dust him.

Laron Landry is 4 TENTHS OF A SECOND faster than Ahmad Black, and he's totally lost when he has to cover a WR more than 25 yards downfield.

Yeah football is all about 'real' game speed, not a stopwatch, but a DB running that slow is problematic.
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Davon House reportedly runs a 4.32.

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Aqib Talib - 4.44

Vontae Davis - 4.49

Johnathan Joseph - 4.32

Leon Hall - 4.38

Derrell Revis - 4.38 (6.56 3-cone!)

Devin McCourty - 4.48

Joe Haden - 4.57

Cortland Finnegan - 4.34 (Pro Day)

Brandon Flowers - 4.55

Nnamdi Asomugha - 4.45

Asante Samuel - 4.50

Charles Woodson - 4.44

Tramon Williams - 4.60

Antoine Winfield - 4.41

Brent Grimes - 4.57 (Pro Day)

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - 4.29


Just for a little perspective, some of the better cornerbacks in the league and the forties they had coming into the NFL. Sorry if any of those are wrong, I just posted the first seemingly-legitimately-sourced times I found for each.
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On an ankle he considered to only be about 80%, Noel Devine ran a 4.26 and a 4.38.
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Did Devine get weighed?
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On an ankle he considered to only be about 80%, Noel Devine ran a 4.26 and a 4.38.
I heard on NFL Network that it was a 4.43, anyway it confirms that Devine has quickness and the ability to run away from defenders.

Is he at least a solid 3rd round draft pick now??
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I heard on NFL Network that it was a 4.43, anyway it confirms that Devine has quickness and the ability to run away from defenders.

Is he at least a solid 3rd round draft pick now??
No. He might be a solid 5th-round pick now.
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I heard on NFL Network that it was a 4.43, anyway it confirms that Devine has quickness and the ability to run away from defenders.

Is he at least a solid 3rd round draft pick now??
Yeah, I read that on Roto too. I'd probably go with that, since I got those numbers from a WVU site.
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Ballard ran a 4.68 forty, 7.15 cone, 34" vert..at 286 lbs.

DJK ran a 4.5, 35" vert, 21 reps.

Clayborn had a 35" vert, 7.08 cone.

Iowa had a really good Pro-Day.
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I thought DJK wasn't invited to the Pro Day?

Also, I haven't been able to find anything on how Stanzi looked. Any info?

Either way, we have another one in a month so any guys that had a bad day can redeem. I don't imagine Ballard will retest.
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Ballard ran a 4.68 forty, 7.15 cone, 34" vert..at 286 lbs.

DJK ran a 4.5, 35" vert, 21 reps.

Clayborn had a 35" vert, 7.08 cone.

Iowa had a really good Pro-Day.


I really wish DJK would have finished his career at Iowa in a better light because he is a phenomenal athlete and would be considered one of the top Senior WR's. Now he is looking at rounds 3-5 instead of 2-3. Teams will be getting a player with him as long as he can stay out of the doghouse.
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According to this article from National Football post, it says that DJK tested at a facility near the Iowa campus.

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NEW ORLEANS -- Former Iowa wide receiver Derrell Johnson-Koulianos ran the 40-yard dash in 4.50 and 4.52 seconds today at his Pro Day workout near the Hawkeyes' campus, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.

The 5-foot-11, 200-pounder registered a 9-10 broad jump and a 34 1/2 inch vertical leap.

He bench pressed 225 pounds 21 times.

He had a 4.42 short shuttle, a 6.92 three-cone drill and an 11.92 60-yard shuttle.

Johnson-Kouilanos is the Hawkeyes' all-time leading wide receiver.

He wasn'tallowed to work out at Iowa anymore following a well-publicized drug arrest last year that got him suspended from the football team.

Ultimately, Johnson-Koulianos pleaded guilty to a simple possession of marijuana charge in a plea bargain deal. He received unsupervised probation and no jail time.

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DJK is going to make some team really, really happy in the later rounds. He isn't a homerun type WR, but he runs great routes, has very reliable hands, and is still quick enough to break away. Plus, he is a very good returner.

Sucks that his career ended on such a low note, but on the field he's a very solid possession WR.
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