2011 Pittsburgh Steelers Draft/Offseason Thread

[Hines]

I'm going to make a mock draft contest, which will be due next Thursday. It's an annual thing.

[Hines]

Keith Williams G from Nebraska, Greg Little, and Marcus Cannon visited today. WR Vincent Brown visits tomorrow.

I'd LOVE Brown. Kid isn't fast, but he has sticky hands.

[ellsy82]

Originally Posted by Hines

Keith Williams G from Nebraska, Greg Little, and Marcus Cannon visited today. WR Vincent Brown visits tomorrow.

I'd LOVE Brown. Kid isn't fast, but he has sticky hands.

Would love to have Cannon at RT or LG. Williams is a phonebox guy. No thanks. Little, I'd be okay with, I guess.

[Hines]

Originally Posted by ellsy82

Would love to have Cannon at RT or LG. Williams is a phonebox guy. No thanks. Little, I'd be okay with, I guess.

They probably like Williams as a guy who can come in as a backup and potentially start. I like how he plays nasty in the run game. He could be like Kemo, minus the retardedness.

[K Train]

i would absolutely ******* love greg little

[Hines]

Aaron Williams, Weslye Saunders, Davon Morgan, and Vincent Brown are visiting today.

[Pitt]

Originally Posted by Hines

I made three mock drafts today, which includes one trade down mock.


Mock one:

1) Cameron Heyward De Ohio State
2) James Carpenter OT/OG Alabama
3) Curtis Marsh CB Utah State
4) Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5) Da'Rel Scott RB Maryland
6) Mario Harvey LB Marshall
7) Frank Kearse NT Alabama A&M


Mock Two:

1) Aaron Williams CB Texas
2) Kenrick Ellis NT/DE Hampton
3) Greg Little WR UNC
4) Marcus Gilbert OT Florida
5) Da'Rel Scott RB Maryland
6) Alex Henery K Nebraska
7) Mario Harvey LB Marshall


Mock Three:

Trade down from 31 to early second and get a fourth rounder

2a) Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia
2b) Sam Acho OLB Texas
3) Will Rackley G Leigh
4a) Marcus Gilbert OT Florida
4b) Austin Pettis WR Boise State
5) Da'Rel Scott RB Maryland
6) Alex Henery K Nebraska
7) Frank Kearse NT Alabama A&M

Don't like trading down. Our track record is banking on 1st round picks. More picks look better for mock drafts because we all throw in the players we like, but in reality, the Steelers don't. Hasn't been too bad lately in the middle rounds (they all can't pan out), but still, the 1st is where it's at for us.

I like a combination of mock one and two here.

1) Cameron Heyward De Ohio State
2) James Carpenter OT/OG Alabama
3) Greg Little WR UNC
4) Marcus Gilbert OT Florida
5) Da'Rel Scott RB Maryland
6) Alex Henery K Nebraska
7) Mario Harvey LB Marshall


Yes, no Corner or NT. But a replacement for Hines, two big bodies to come up with Pouncey putting the fire out to all the OL trash talk, and a future Kicker (why people don't put more of a priority on this is beyond me), and a true #1 pick to feel good about in Heyward (actually makes the Hood pick look like **** now, which is a good thing...it's rare to have that many 3-4 DE's graded as first round picks, which is why Heyward is in the 30's. This pick would remind me of Vince Wilfork being there late).

[lance uppercut]

Originally Posted by Pitt

1) Cameron Heyward De Ohio State
2) James Carpenter OT/OG Alabama
3) Greg Little WR UNC
4) Marcus Gilbert OT Florida
5) Da'Rel Scott RB Maryland
6) Alex Henery K Nebraska
7) Mario Harvey LB Marshall


Yes, no Corner or NT. But a replacement for Hines, two big bodies to come up with Pouncey putting the fire out to all the OL trash talk, and a future Kicker (why people don't put more of a priority on this is beyond me), and a true #1 pick to feel good about in Heyward (actually makes the Hood pick look like **** now, which is a good thing...it's rare to have that many 3-4 DE's graded as first round picks, which is why Heyward is in the 30's. This pick would remind me of Vince Wilfork being there late).

I'm all for Heyward in rd 1, but we can't possibly ignore the secondary like that. if we don't go with a corner in the first, it almost guarantees that we pick one in the 2nd.

[lance uppercut]

I don't think there's much if any chance of this happening, but if Gabe Carimi somehow slid past the KC/Indy/Philly trio at 21-23 and was on the board @ 25, I'd be on-board with moving up to Seattle's pick at 25 and grabbing him. DB is a bigger need, but I think Carimi is a much better prospect than, say, Aaron Williams.

[Hines]

Flo is looking to return. Good ****.

[mikehop05]

whats up guys?

long time no posting here.. been busy with work and what not but am getting geared up for the draft again and immediately thought to check out this forum...

while ive gotten some good info, i was wondering if anyone here wouldnt mind taking a few minutes and giving me a quick rundown on some prospects we're closely linked to / guys that you think we are most likely to target in the first 3 rounds

i appreciate it, and as always, go steelers.

[K Train]

Round 1 possibles-

Aaron Williams CB Texas
Cam Heyward DE ohio State
Phil Taylor NT Baylor
Ras-i Dowling CB Virginia

less likely ones could be danny watkins, marcus cannon, marcus gilbert, or rahim moore

second rounders id say-

Curtis Brown
Rahim Moore if hes there
Lance Kendricks
James Carpenter
James Brewer
Ben Ijalana


round 3-

Jerrell powe
Allen bailey
Davon House
Johnny patrick
chykie brown
will rackley
Greg Little

[mikehop05]

appreciate it, are those in order of who you like the best?

[Hines]

Second Annual Pittsburgh Steelers Draft Game:

Rules:
Prior to the draft, participants must submit a mock draft of their own.

For every player participants select in their mock that the Steelers select in real life, they get one point. If they had the player in the correct round as well, they get two points.

I.E. - 2008 Draft

1. Rashard Mendenhall --> 2 points
2. Tony Hills --> 1 point
3. Roy Schuening --> 0 points
4. Dennis Dixon --> 1 Point
5. Brandon Carr --> 0 points
6. Orlando Scandrick --> 0 Points

ALL MOCK DRAFTS MUST BE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE START OF THE DRAFT!

The participant with the highest amount of points wins, and they get rep from other participants, bragging rights, and other participants must acknowledge their superior Steelers knowledge and understanding with a comment or image in their respective sigs.






Post mocks in here, I'll sort them out in word, and then tally up the scores after the draft.

Death was last year's winner!

[DeathbyStat]

Originally Posted by Hines

Second Annual Pittsburgh Steelers Draft Game:

Rules:
Prior to the draft, participants must submit a mock draft of their own.

For every player participants select in their mock that the Steelers select in real life, they get one point. If they had the player in the correct round as well, they get two points.

I.E. - 2008 Draft

1. Rashard Mendenhall --> 2 points
2. Tony Hills --> 1 point
3. Roy Schuening --> 0 points
4. Dennis Dixon --> 1 Point
5. Brandon Carr --> 0 points
6. Orlando Scandrick --> 0 Points

ALL MOCK DRAFTS MUST BE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE START OF THE DRAFT!

The participant with the highest amount of points wins, and they get rep from other participants, bragging rights, and other participants must acknowledge their superior Steelers knowledge and understanding with a comment or image in their respective sigs.






Post mocks in here, I'll sort them out in word, and then tally up the scores after the draft.

Death was last year's winner!

Looking forward to defending the title

[lance uppercut]

Originally Posted by mikehop05

while ive gotten some good info, i was wondering if anyone here wouldnt mind taking a few minutes and giving me a quick rundown on some prospects we're closely linked to / guys that you think we are most likely to target in the first 3 rounds

welcome back, mike. if I'm handicapping our first selection, it goes something like this:

Aaron Williams (20%)
Brandon Harris (15%)
Derek Sherrod (15%)
Cam Heyward (15%)
Phil Taylor (10%)
Danny Watkins (5%)
Mike Pouncey (5%)
Rest of the field (15%)

that's my take. it's a total crapshoot this year.

I'm getting the feeling we may be orchestrating a trade-down, though - say with the Cards, Niners, or Titans for a Locker/Mallet/Dalton/Ponder. I could see Curtis Brown coming under consideration for us in that scenario.

personally, I'd be a bit underwhelmed with Williams at 1.31. in a trade-down scenario where we're adding additional choices, sure, but he's got a lower ceiling than I'd prefer out of our first rounder, and isn't exactly bust-proof either. I could get on-board with Harris/Sherrod/Heyward, and maybe even Taylor. I would have some reservation about Watkins just due to his age. Pouncey would be fine I guess.

in the 2nd round, I predict we go OL. hopefully we don't reach. Carpenter, Orlando Franklin, Ben Ijelana, Marcus Cannon, or Gilbert maybe to keep the Florida pipeline going. While I think OL is the pick, I'd prefer to carpet bomb the D, though, and am zeroing in on Jarvis Jenkins or Ras-I Dowling, both solid citizens, team leaders, and starter-caliber prospects.

I'm really not studied up on the mid-rounds at all, but will say I'd like us to select Tyler Sash somewhere - as early as the 3rd round. he's not the ballhawk his stats would lead you to believe - a lot of his INTs were on poorly thrown passes - but he'd be a quality spot-starter for when #43 is out, and an asset on special teams. and, very little ramp-up time relative to other DBs, as he's played in some similar schemes at Iowa.

[DeathbyStat]

What do you guys thinks of Sherrod?

I'm not really a big fan

Watched him yesterday in the Gator Bowl VS Michigan

Seemed very average, didn't sustain blocks, wasn't nasty, didn't seem like he wanted to hit anyone and was beaten a few times against a Michigan defense that wasn't very good.

[K Train]

not crazy about him at all.

[lance uppercut]

Originally Posted by DeathbyStat

What do you guys thinks of Sherrod?

I'm not really a big fan

I'd be pretty ok with it if he's their guy. caveat: I'm not a big scout dude, I don't watch tape. I listen to as many sources as I can and call on youtube a bit, so my impression is way far from complete. that said, he appears to have a pretty good first step and react out of his stance. seems like he's just big enough to engulf smaller rushers, and just quick enough to seal off the edge. doesn't get walked back into the pocket. in short, he seems to do everything pretty well. he's not a dominator, but there's not some major flaw in his game that's going to keep him off the field. no major injury history, and he's faced elite competition throughout his career.

I think the general consensus is he's a steady prospect who will probably be a quality starter but not a star. unlike so many OT prospects, he won't need moved inside. in a stronger draft, he's a classic 2nd rounder - in this draft, he's fringe first. I could see him going in the low 20s, and I could see him going in the mid-40s, possibly to us via trade-down. TBH, he kind of reminds me of Marvel. and, if that's what we were getting, cool.

[Pitt]

1st pick (whether trade up or trade down) top 10 Big Board:

1. Mike Pouncey G Florida
2. Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State
3. Gabe Carimi T Wisconsin
4. Aaron Williams CB/S Texas
5. Danny Watkins G Baylor
6. Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia
7. Phil Taylor NT Baylor
8. Rahim Moore FS UCLA
9. Brandon Harris CB Miami FL
10. Derek Sherrod T Mississippi State


If the Steelers drafted any of these players, I would be on board with their decision all the way. However, could not find more than 10 names I'd feel good walking away with as our first pick this year.

[K Train]

Originally Posted by Pitt

1st pick (whether trade up or trade down) top 10 Big Board:

1. Mike Pouncey G Florida
2. Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State
3. Gabe Carimi T Wisconsin
4. Aaron Williams CB/S Texas
5. Danny Watkins G Baylor
6. Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia
7. Phil Taylor NT Baylor
8. Rahim Moore FS UCLA
9. Brandon Harris CB Miami FL
10. Derek Sherrod T Mississippi State


If the Steelers drafted any of these players, I would be on board with their decision all the way. However, could not find more than 10 names I'd feel good walking away with as our first pick this year.

mine would go

Mike Pouncey
Cam Heyward
Aaron Williams
Gabe Carimi
Ras-i dowling
Phil Taylor
Brandon Harris
Jimmy Smith...i know i know karacter konsernz
Curtis Brown
Rahim Moore

[Pitt]

I wouldn't mind Smith, but just keeping hearing how he's souring up draft boards, so I didn't include him. Curtis Brown I wouldn't feel good about being our first pick. Second pick, yeah. If that makes sense.

[K Train]

i think brown will be a better corner than williams....williams though i think would be good at either CB or FS with us at least...if that makes sense.

plus you said whether we trade up or down....this would be a down, as would moore, and harris

[Pitt]

Yeah but we wouldn't be trading down too far, so I still wouldn't feel good about Brown being our top prospect out of this draft. I'd like Brown if he were paired with another, similar to the Timmons/Woodley situation;

1. Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia
2. Curtis Brown CB Texas

1. Aaron Williams CB/S Texas
2. Curtis Brown CB Texas

1. Rahim Moore FS UCLA
2. Curtis Brown CB Texas



But this to me does not look good;

1. Curtis Brown CB Texas

And by "1." and "2." I'm referring to picks, not rounds.

[Hines]

I firmly believe Aaron Williams can stay at CB for the Steelers. I feel the same way about Malcolm Jenkins as well.