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Old 03-09-2011, 04:47 PM    (permalink
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Lane Kiffin- Suspended 8 conference games
Dez Bryant- Lies to ncaa gets full season
Jim Tressel- Lies and misses 2 games against powderpuffs.


Way to go NCAA, completely gutless move. Hope the buckeyes get hammered in the 5 games the athletes are suspended.
A team of walkons could win all of the preseason games. Cupcake schedule deluxe. MSU isn't going to be much more difficult.

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Lane Kiffin- Suspended 8 conference games
Dez Bryant- Lies to ncaa gets full season
Jim Tressel- Lies and misses 2 games against powderpuffs.


Way to go NCAA, completely gutless move. Hope the buckeyes get hammered in the 5 games the athletes are suspended.
difference is Bryant lied about having contact with someone he shouldn't have. Tressel was tipped off about his players selling their stuff in emails, was told to keep it confidential, and chose to withhold information from the NCAA instead of breaking confidentiality with a lawyer who was part of a federal drug trafficking investigation who told him to keep the information confidential, so it was a catch 22 of sorts. Not quite the same.
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difference is Bryant lied about having contact with someone he shouldn't have. Tressel was tipped off about his players selling their stuff in emails, was told to keep it confidential, and chose to withhold information from the NCAA instead of breaking confidentiality with a lawyer who was part of a federal drug trafficking investigation who told him to keep the information confidential, so it was a catch 22 of sorts. Not quite the same.
I actually heard someone use that argument on the radio, and it's complete BS.

First of all, the lawyer was the one breaking confidentiality in the first place by giving the head's up to Tressel. Tressel is neither the attorney's client nor is he an active party in whatever case they're investigating. Therefore, he wasn't entitled to the information in the first place and certainly isn't bound to any attorney-client confidentiality privileges.
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And Dez Bryant would've been free and clear had he been honest... nothing was illegal under NCAA regulations with what he had done

But no one should ever, ever take advice from Deion Sanders as this is what happens
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I actually heard someone use that argument on the radio, and it's complete BS.

First of all, the lawyer was the one breaking confidentiality in the first place by giving the head's up to Tressel. Tressel is neither the attorney's client nor is he an active party in whatever case they're investigating. Therefore, he wasn't entitled to the information in the first place and certainly isn't bound to any attorney-client confidentiality privileges.
yes, but there is this little thing called integrity where if someone comes to you with information that is meant to help protect your players, then you want to respect the request of confidentiality. No one ever said he was legally bound to keep the information confidential, but if he broke confidentiality then he would have betrayed the lawyer's trust. In hindsight he should have went to someone with the information like the school's legal counsel, but that's why things are what they are. Point being while what Tressel did wasn't the right thing in the end, you can see how he could've approached it with good intentions like he said.
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difference is Bryant lied about having contact with someone he shouldn't have. Tressel was tipped off about his players selling their stuff in emails, was told to keep it confidential, and chose to withhold information from the NCAA instead of breaking confidentiality with a lawyer who was part of a federal drug trafficking investigation who told him to keep the information confidential, so it was a catch 22 of sorts. Not quite the same.
Your in denial Tressel could of told the NCAA about the emails just like YFS said. Tressel is just like every SEC coach out there IDK why you guys think he is above them when he is just as dirty. Dez could have contact with Deion but was not allowed to have dinner with him unless he paid or some BS. Dez got in trouble mainly for lying to the NCAA.

Edit: Approached it with good intentions? lol no he did not. He told no one because he wanted to win games.Do you really think if his 3rd string long snapper and guard did the samething Pyror and the other 4 did, he would have with held this information and not suspended them?
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Your in denial Tressel could of told the NCAA about the emails just like YFS said. Tressel is just like every SEC coach out there IDK why you guys think he is above them when he is just as dirty. Dez could have contact with Deion but was not allowed to have dinner with him unless he paid or some BS. Dez got in trouble mainly for lying to the NCAA.
Just as dirty as SEC coaches? How many football players has Tressel kicked off of scholarship to recruit replacements? How much over signing does Tressel do?
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go talk to some recruits' parents about recruiting tactics used by guys like Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Lane Kiffin, etc. in comparison to Tressel okay. Comparing SEC coaching scum to Tressel is laughable, even after Tressel gets in trouble for something.
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Edit: Approached it with good intentions? lol no he did not. He told no one because he wanted to win games.Do you really think if his 3rd string long snapper and guard did the samething Pyror and the other 4 did, he would have with held this information and not suspended them?
okay, forget about the benefit of the doubt why dont we? If Tressel knew that the federal government had seized memorabilia that was known to have been sold by players then I'm sure he would have realized that it could have been damning to his players. The names of all of the players weren't given anyways in case you didn't read the emails, he was trying to get the names of them all. Some of them were players who were no longer on the team as well. For the moment let's at least give JT the benefit of the doubt that he truly was trying to maintain confidentiality.
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go talk to some recruits' parents about recruiting tactics used by guys like Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Lane Kiffin, etc. in comparison to Tressel okay. Comparing SEC coaching scum to Tressel is laughable, even after Tressel gets in trouble for something.
Leave Urban Mayer alone... Ohio born and bred with 2 national titles and he's going to be Ohio State's next coach :D
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go talk to some recruits' parents about recruiting tactics used by guys like Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Lane Kiffin, etc. in comparison to Tressel okay. Comparing SEC coaching scum to Tressel is laughable, even after Tressel gets in trouble for something.
This isn't directed at you personally, but statements like this are what make me dislike college football fans to the point that I can't even enjoy the sport any more.

Pac-10, SEC, Big-10, Big-12...they're all dirty. Every single one of them. Florida, USC, Ohio State, Michigan...I don't care who it is. If you're a major division one football program, you're dirty. I just don't understand the "holier than thou" sentiments people have in CFB, especially when the majority of people have never stepped foot on campus of the team they root for (let alone actually attended the school). It boggles my mind.
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haha, yeah lots of great coaches are from Ohio but that still doesn't excuse them from being scumbags, especially UM.
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This isn't directed at you personally, but statements like this are what make me dislike college football fans to the point that I can't even enjoy the sport any more.

Pac-10, SEC, Big-10, Big-12...they're all dirty. Every single one of them. Florida, USC, Ohio State, Michigan...I don't care who it is. If you're a major division one football program, you're dirty. I just don't understand the "holier than thou" sentiments people have in CFB, especially when the majority of people have never stepped foot on campus of the team they root for (let alone actually attended the school). It boggles my mind.
The practice of over signing and kicking kids off scholarship because they aren't as good as a coach hoped for even though they are doing everything right in terms of living up to that scholarship is one of the most despicable practices in college sports.

The SEC just happens to be the conference that thinks this practice is business as usual.

Athletic scholarships are not intended to be 1-year contracts.

In every other sense of the argument I agree with what you are saying, but when it comes to that, the SEC is awful
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The practice of over signing and kicking kids off scholarship because they aren't as good as a coach hoped for even though they are doing everything right in terms of living up to that scholarship is one of the most despicable practices in college sports.

The SEC just happens to be the conference that thinks this practice is business as usual.

Athletic scholarships are not intended to be 1-year contracts.

In every other sense of the argument I agree with what you are saying, but when it comes to that, the SEC is awful
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The NCAA says its rules are clear. Athletic scholarships are one-year, "merit-based" awards that require both demonstrated academic performance as well as "participation expectations" on the playing field.

Those discrepancies apparently have caught the attention of the U.S. Justice Department. Its antitrust division is investigating the one-year renewable scholarship, with agents interviewing NCAA officials and member schools. A Justice Department spokeswoman declined comment because the probe, announced on May 6, is ongoing.


"This happens a lot more than anybody even believes," said New Haven management professor Allen Sack, a former Notre Dame football player and vocal NCAA critic. "You're allowed to do it. According to the NCAA, there's nothing wrong with it.


"Coaches don't go out of their way to clarify (scholarship length). They make it as vague as they possibly can."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_586854.html

One year, merit-based contracts is exactly what they're intended to be.

I agree that it is morally wrong and deplorable, but it's every bit within the rules.
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This isn't directed at you personally, but statements like this are what make me dislike college football fans to the point that I can't even enjoy the sport any more.

Pac-10, SEC, Big-10, Big-12...they're all dirty. Every single one of them. Florida, USC, Ohio State, Michigan...I don't care who it is. If you're a major division one football program, you're dirty. I just don't understand the "holier than thou" sentiments people have in CFB, especially when the majority of people have never stepped foot on campus of the team they root for (let alone actually attended the school). It boggles my mind.

I go to Ohio State, as you said unlike most fans I actually go to the school I'm a fan of, and I couldnt care less about any 'holier than thou' garbage. Every damn program is dirty, every program has violations. At this point they don't bother me at all because they are so ridiculously widespread.

The only reason I hate the SEC are their obnoxious fans, particularly the ones that are fans of schools that do nothing but still think they're awesome because of the success of their rivals. When did it become ok to take pride in the success of rivals? I ******* hate Michigan.
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I go to Ohio State, as you said unlike most fans I actually go to the school I'm a fan of, and I couldnt care less about any 'holier than thou' garbage. Every damn program is dirty, every program has violations. At this point they don't bother me at all because they are so ridiculously widespread.

The only reason I hate the SEC are their obnoxious fans
C'mon. Every single conference has those fans. And making sweeping generalizations just ends up putting you in the same category as them.

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Silly Commodore fans. Always riding our coattails.
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C'mon. Every single conference has those fans. And making sweeping generalizations just ends up putting you in the same category as them.



Silly Commodore fans. Always riding our coattails.
Sure, everyone has those fans. Most conferences are simply easy to ignore, cause they havn't been quite so annoying since this fun little streak of titles has started. I've never heard anything like SEC chants, which are somewhat entertaining at games such as Alabama hosting Penn State, but simply ridiculous when heard at a bowl game featuring power house program Kentucky.

But really look at how many SEC schools have taken part in this national title run, and look how many fans from other schools talk about it like they were apart of it. Very humorous to me at least that many SEC fans like to talk **** about Ohio State's BCS record, which isn't even bad, when their school hasn't taken part in even a quarter of the BCS games OSU has.
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Sure, everyone has those fans. Most conferences are simply easy to ignore, cause they havn't been quite so annoying since this fun little streak of titles has started. I've never heard anything like SEC chants, which are somewhat entertaining at games such as Alabama hosting Penn State, but simply ridiculous when heard at a bowl game featuring power house program Kentucky.

But really look at how many SEC schools have taken part in this national title run, and look how many fans from other schools talk about it like they were apart of it. Very humorous to me at least that many SEC fans like to talk **** about Ohio State's BCS record, which isn't even bad, when their school hasn't taken part in even a quarter of the BCS games OSU has.
Please don't turn this thread that is tarnishing your teams coach into a thread bashing the SEC.
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Please don't turn this thread that is tarnishing your teams coach into a thread bashing the SEC.
It was there way before I got here. I havn't done anything but respond.

And I already said I don't care about Tressel, tattoos, Newton, Bush, or any other violation. We all know every single school has issues like this whether or not they got caught. The only thing that matters to me is on the field, so as long as players arn't on steriods or doing anyting else to alter their own talents on the field it really makes no difference to me.
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Athletic scholarships are not intended to be 1-year contracts.
Athletic scholarships are renewed on a yearly basis; so yes, in fact, they ARE intended to be "reviewed" at the end of each year. There is no such thing as a scholarship that runs 4 years.
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especially when the majority of people have never stepped foot on campus of the team they root for (let alone actually attended the school). It boggles my mind.
ah, my pet peeve.
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Stop talking about football.

This is killing me. Tress is pure class and I hate to see him get labeled as a sleeze ball by so many. He truly is remorseful and while I don't idsagree with his punishment, I am disappointed by what this will do to his legacy.
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OSU is easily one of my least favorite teams but saying that Tress should be fired for this is asinine.
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whatever. he said the whole thing was him not knowing what to do with information that was told to be kept confidential and instead of going to a university lawyer or whatnot he kept it quiet. honest mistake by the coach who is the posterboy for how to run a program the right way.
LOL.

He's a poster boy to run a program the right way? He hid violations. No matter how you guys want to twist and turn it he was made aware of violations and didn't report them. That, by definition, is HIDING THEM.

As a head coach it is his responsibility to be adhere and enforce the rules. He did the opposite here. He didn't even forward the email to his AD and let him handle it. He sent a reply that he'd handle it and did nothing. Even after this all came out he didn't reveal the info, it wasn't until the school DISCOVERED it that it came out.

At any job in the real world if you're a manager and you blatantly hide violations of company rules you lose your job or at least face major repercussions. Missing two games that are as gimme as they come is not that. The ONLY reason he hasn't and you guys are defending him is because OSU has a fantastic football program, in large part thanks to Tressel, and it would take a fall without him.

So no, a coach that found out rules were being broken and stayed silent is NOT a poster boy for how to run a program.


I guess I'm just odd for expecting someone that receives millions of dollars a year in a position that influences the lives of KIDS to be held responsible and adherent to the rules.
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look, he didn't do what he was contractuallly obligated to do. But, his employer didn't really care...

So, no bowl games or tv for a year. loss of some scholarships. Then move on.
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ah, my pet peeve.
Hey now, some of us have legit reasons for not attending the schools we root for.
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