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Old 04-02-2011, 10:25 AM    (permalink
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I like Nawrocki. He is as accurate as any of the other guys and is willing to critique players that others won't. It's not easy to find people willing to do this because it hurts business in a society where people tune out those that say things they don't want to hear. Most people should stick to McShay/Kiper/Mayock so the won't have their feelings hurt. It seems that people have a personal investment with these players and take it as an attack on themselves personally when their guy takes a hit. Detachment is an important tool.
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He was so butt hurt when he said that too.
Pete was only thinking of himself of course. In reality Sanchez probably wasnt ready for the NFL, which seemingly doesnt have much to do about where you'll be drafted

On a slightly differant note. The Buffalo Bills have shown interest in Blaine Gabbert as well as Cam Newton, commenting that Gabbert is a similar athlete to Newton. For Buffalo i wouldnt draft either of those guys there but i can see why they might think so. Look for both of these guys to be gone by the 5th pick. Again just for public record they wouldnt be my favorites.
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I like Nawrocki. He is as accurate as any of the other guys and is willing to critique players that others won't. It's not easy to find people willing to do this because it hurts business in a society where people tune out those that say things they don't want to hear. Most people should stick to McShay/Kiper/Mayock so the won't have their feelings hurt. It seems that people have a personal investment with these players and take it as an attack on themselves personally when their guy takes a hit. Detachment is an important tool.
There's a difference between critiquing a player and slander.

What Nawrocki said about Newton would be like someone saying not only is Illini LB Martez Wilson slow to diagnose plays, he's also a coward who lacks courage to overcome adversity and will be first to surrender when things get tough.

IMO that's the equivalent of Nawrocki's negative opinion on Newton; he went from making an analysis based on empirical observation to instead ruminating on his own personal theories and psychological diagnoses of Cam Newton.

That's not scouting. That's throwing piles of dog poop at a prospect and hoping you land a headshot.

Also, Nawrocki came at Newton harder than Carroll ever did at Sanchez. Carroll praised Mark before explaining why he should stay another year, which basically came down to Carroll articulating that Mark would increase his preparedness for the NFL with more college starts.

He didn't attack Sanchez' character.

Blacks have a unique position of being a minority population in the U.S. but representing the overwhelming majority of NFL and FBS football players.

I agree I don't like to hear an announcer say x-player is the 'first' AA to do etc., because said accomplishment no longer represents overcoming institutional racism and really is just a career milestone for a coach or player.

The league doesn't bench all the Black QBs once the playoffs start, or suspend every AA HC.

Complaining, or becoming vocal about a perceived grievance is how things change in this country. It's what mobilizes political movements and gets laws passed.
No one respects you for bending over, grabbing your ankles and biting a hole in your pillow while you dutifully get plowed.

However, we the public decide whether you grievance is justified.
Most people on this board think Moon was wrong in his racial criticism of Nawrocki because it isn't relevant since no one knows what's going on inside his head.
If the analysis is overboard, then it is. Doesn't really matter why.

And honestly, only because it would be cool to see it because you really don't that much beyond HS, but how many White RBs and corners are there starting for BCS schools to say they're really being discriminated against by the NFL??

Those dudes are being screwed by college recruiters early on in the process.

And don't expect to ever hear some analyst give props to Hillis for breaking a thousand yards because he's White.

Wait until Tobey Gerhart gets traded in about 5 years to a ground pound team, his jersey sales will be epic!!
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Anybody who still believes Nolan is only doing so because he is saying what you want to believe about Newton.
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I highly doubt Nawrocki put these thoughts to paper without having sources providing this information to him. It also is obvious that Nawrocki implicitly trusts these sources because he knew that he could be committing career suicide by making those statements without any support to do so. Clearly he is not going to reveal his sources. Those criticizing Nawrocki for not having met Newton have a point to the degree that Nawrocki is not writing from his own personal experience, but virtually no journalist is writing about any player's character from personal experience as they don't get enough time with the player to learn that for themselves.

Nawrocki would have verified that his source had the means to know Newton to the degree where that person could make statements about Newton's character from personal experience. I have read reports that indicate that Nawrocki hit the nail on the head about Newton per some scouts. The vast majority of people who have commented say that he is off.

If these comments make teams go back and re-assess Newton to some degree, that can only be a good thing for the teams that do that. Whether they remain committed to choosing him or decide to back off on pursuing him, it's worth their time to feel comfortable with the decision they make.
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Anybody who still believes Nolan is only doing so because he is saying what you want to believe about Newton.
Not really. People are generally willing to tell pleasant lies in public when their name is attached to it, rather than give honest opinions that can be thrown back in their faces later. The amount of subterfuge in the draft business is frankly astonishing, it's entirely likely that a number of people praising a prospect publicly is due to teams trying to sandbag another team into taking that guy early (c.f. the Patriots and Gholston). This sort of thing happens all the year. You basically can't trust anything an NFL scout or personnel director will tell you on the record between February and May. The things they tell you off the record are about 50/50.

A couple of things to note. Is Softli even employed by an NFL team currently? If not, he's really no better than Nawrocki here. Second, it can't be hard to find sources at Newton's alma maters who will say nice things about him, since that gets him drafted higher and "we will get you drafted high" is a huge recruiting tool.

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How often have you heard people -like Warren Moon- complain that there are no white CBs in the league? None. All the white college CBs get branded with the "stiff hips" label in their scouting report somehow.

Or that Peyton Hillis was the first white RB to get to 1000 yards in the league since the mid 1980's?
Very rarely, if ever, is it mentioned on a telecast. But we always hear it if it's from the black angle, whether it's a player or coach..... not enough GMs, etc.
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so no one should say anything ever about a player's intangibles, in your opinion? anyone calling russell lazy and stupid is slandering him? *eyeroll* you're basically saying "it's only fair to critique a guy i like on the criteria i've decided is ok." that's not only bad scouting, it's dishonest. is nawrocki wrong? maybe, we'll find out. somehow i doubt you were this vocal in defending jamarcus russell and jimmy clausen from all of the 'slander'.
Under “negatives” for Newton, Nawrocki writes, “Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and will always struggle to win a locker room . . . Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.

Many of these critiques aren't even related to football.

Who cares if Cam 'plays' to the camera??
Disingenuous?? Only a person who's known Newton for a significant period of time could really make this statement, like a coach or teammate.

'..sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law.' At UF?? Auburn?? Or does Nawrocki mean currently, as in the last few weeks?? Too broad and general a criticism IMO. The difference between saying someone has had past run-ins with the law versus calling that person a 'criminal'.

When's the last time Cam was in trouble?? 2008??

Really, I think folks would have let Nawrocki slide with his scouting report in general, but when he stated emphatically that Cam, ' does not command respect from teammates and will always struggle to win a locker room,' common sense and the evidence of last season IMO contradicts this.
Newton and Auburn could not have accomplished what they did last season if there was a schism in leadership between Cam and his football team.

This is the one statement that makes me wonder, did someone tell Nawrocki this, or did he extrapolate it on his own??
I really have a hard time believing an unnamed source would validate this comment, because on its face it sounds ridiculous.

If Auburn had not gone undefeated and won the NC, this opinion maybe carries more weight, but when Auburn and Newton have just completed one of the greatest seasons in recent college football, I'd like to hear at least the thought process on how Nawrocki or his sources reached this opinion.

Great thing about unnamed 'sources', there's always plausible denial.

BTW, if people were attacking Clausen's character and leadership after he had just led ND to an undefeated season, Heisman trophy and NC, it wouldn't sound plausible.
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There's a difference between critiquing a player and slander.

What Nawrocki said about Newton would be like someone saying not only is Illini LB Martez Wilson slow to diagnose plays, he's also a coward who lacks courage to overcome adversity and will be first to surrender when things get tough.

IMO that's the equivalent of Nawrocki's negative opinion on Newton; he went from making an analysis based on empirical observation to instead ruminating on his own personal theories and psychological diagnoses of Cam Newton.

That's not scouting. That's throwing piles of dog poop at a prospect and hoping you land a headshot.

Also, Nawrocki came at Newton harder than Carroll ever did at Sanchez. Carroll praised Mark before explaining why he should stay another year, which basically came down to Carroll articulating that Mark would increase his preparedness for the NFL with more college starts.

He didn't attack Sanchez' character.

Blacks have a unique position of being a minority population in the U.S. but representing the overwhelming majority of NFL and FBS football players.

I agree I don't like to hear an announcer say x-player is the 'first' AA to do etc., because said accomplishment no longer represents overcoming institutional racism and really is just a career milestone for a coach or player.

The league doesn't bench all the Black QBs once the playoffs start, or suspend every AA HC.

Complaining, or becoming vocal about a perceived grievance is how things change in this country. It's what mobilizes political movements and gets laws passed.
No one respects you for bending over, grabbing your ankles and biting a hole in your pillow while you dutifully get plowed.

However, we the public decide whether you grievance is justified.
Most people on this board think Moon was wrong in his racial criticism of Nawrocki because it isn't relevant since no one knows what's going on inside his head.
If the analysis is overboard, than it is. Doesn't really matter why.

And honestly, only because it would be cool to see it because you really don't that much beyond HS, but how many White RBs and corners are there starting for BCS schools to say they're really being discriminated against by the NFL??

Those dudes are being screwed by college recruiters early on in the process.

And don't expect to ever hear some analyst give props to Hillis for breaking a thousand yards because he's White.

Wait until Tobey Gerhart gets traded in about 5 years to a ground pound team, his jersey sales will be epic!!
It's pretty simple. This is how Nawrocki scouts and what he puts into a players critique, especially with QBs (which is a completely valid critique). This is what all his scouting reports look like. He gave a fairly glowing review of Jimmy Clausen and then said this:

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Had a strong supporting cast with receivers who attacked the ball. Has a sense of entitlement, having attended private schools, worked with private QB coaches and being sheltered by his family, who bought a house on campus so his brothers had a place to stay for every game. Arrogant - can come off as having all the answers and struggle to win a locker room. Still immature. Comes across as overly staged, scripted and disingenuous in interviews and does not have the type of presence desired in the face of a franchise. Is not a fan of the weight room.

Summary: A tough, instinctive, competitive gamer who overhauled his mechanics from the time he was a freshman, physically matured and developed into a decisive marksman. Has been groomed by Charlie Weis and has an advanced understanding of the game that will allow him to step into a starting lineup readily. However, he is cut from a similar cloth as Rex Grossman and J.P. Losman, possessing an elitist attitude and selfishness that could polarize a locker room and create needless drama that may detract from a team. The defining question of his career is whether he possesses the intangibles and make-up to become a leader and win the respect of his teammates.
Say what you want, but he puts into words exactly what he means when he refers to leadership questions and / or character questions. Other people, most people, just say so and so's leadership qualities are questionable. Nawrocki goes into detail, doesn't mix words and backs up his comments.


What did he say about Sam Bradford?

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Positives: Extremely smart and competitive. Decisive. Knows where to go with the ball and gets rid of it very quickly with precision accuracy. Stays composed and is not easily rattled under duress - stands in the pocket and delivers the ball. Sets quickly and steps into his throws. Has quick enough feet to avoid the first wave and escape the rush in a short area - moves and avoids and can hasten his delivery and whip it quickly when needed. Shows very good touch and outstanding accuracy. Can drive the intermediate route and consistently connect deep. Fits the ball into tight windows and can thread the needle. Arm is strong enough to make every throw. Throws a very catchable ball. Very good anticipation and timing at every level. Outstanding positional instincts. Is a well-respected, determined leader who commands respect -takes the game very seriously. Has rare leadership qualities and mental makeup and is intensely competitive - gathered his teammates on the sideline against Miami (Fla.) while he was out with an injury and ripped them. Highly motivated. Mature beyond his years and handles himself like a pro. Very tough and will play through pain.

Negatives: Has not played much under center, operating heavily out of the shotgun, nor has he made pro-style, NFL reads in OU's simplified offense. Lacks strength with a narrow build and does not have a rifle arm - loses some ball velocity on the move. Tends to use a sidearm delivery. Often operated with a clean pocket early in his career and does not like to step up in the pocket. Not a scrambler and will not create with his feet. Played with a very strong supporting cast as a sophomore and did not always feel the rush (behind a leaky, makeshift offensive line) as a junior. Needs to learn how to land and brace himself from contact to preserve his health. Is coming off season-ending shoulder surgery after landing on his throwing shoulder twice as a junior.

Summary: Does not have the arm or athletic talent of John Elway or Troy Aikman, but Bradford's accuracy is as good as any quarterback since Philip Rivers entered the draft, and his competitive spirit, intelligence and accuracy will allow him to develop readily. Would be most effective in a fast-paced, shotgun-prevalent offense similar to that of the Colts, where he will not have to adjust to working as much from underneath center. Durability is his greatest concern. Could be the first overall player drafted in a QB-driven league and should be able to contribute immediately and develop into a great pro.
That's pretty damn accurate if you ask me.


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Positives: Has all the physical ability in the world and is one of the most naturally gifted throwers ever to play the game. Has rare size and arm strength and can really power the ball down the field. Effortless thrower who flicks the ball with ease. Has a 100 m.p.h. fastball and can zing it into tight coverage. Is tough to bring down and not easily sacked. Stands tall in the pocket, can brush off the pass rush and deliver after taking a hit. Shows some agility on the move once he gets going.

Negatives: Showed up overweight at the Combine and has a flabby body that looks like it has not seen a weight room. Relies too much on his arm and natural ability and does not like to work. Has a lackadaisical approach to the game, nearly lost his job in a competition prior to his junior season and needs to take the game more seriously. Struggled to put points on the board vs. the speed of Auburn’s and Florida’s defenses, and when he is forced to make quick reads, he struggles. Does not find second and third receivers as fast as he has too. Does not have a consistent throwing motion, and the ball tends to come out at different places every time. Does not protect the football well. Does not show great timing or anticipation. Telegraphs his passes and rarely looks off the high safety (see Florida game). Will require very tough coaching from a strong, authoritative figure, or he will get away with everything he can and may never develop. Acts as if he has made it already and does not realize how far he has to go.

Summary: Has as much potential as any quarterback to enter the draft, but the team that drafts him better have an experienced and patient veteran coaching staff in place to provide the tough coaching he will need to develop. For as much upside as he has — and it’s off the charts — his downside is just as great, and he could be out of the league just as fast as he is in the Pro Bowl. A very high-risk, high-reward pick, Russell is the type of player who could lose his motivation after a big payday. Whoever drafts him better make sure they properly evaluate his mental makeup and character, or they could set back their franchise at least three years. Strikingly similar to Vikings 1999 11th overall draft pick and current Dolphins QB Daunte Culpepper, whose only success has come under the demanding Scott Linehan, but Russell is not as athletic nor does he have Culpepper’s scrambling ability.
JaMarcus Russell scouting report... accurate or racially motivated?
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THat's fine BB. But notice Nawrocki presented a rationale as to why he felt Clausen had a 'sense of entitlement, whether I agree or not.
People can say whatever they want, but at least present the skeleton of an argument and not make wildly general declarations from on high.

BTW I never said Nawrocki's write-up on Cam was racially motivated. That was Warren Moon.

IMO Nawrocki was much kinder to Russell in discussing his negatives than he was with Newton, and their intangibles aren't even close.
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THat's fine BB. But notice Nawrocki presented a rationale as to why he felt Clausen had a 'sense of entitlement, whether I agree or not.
People can say whatever they want, but at least present the skeleton of an argument and not make wildly general declarations from on high.

BTW I never said Nawrocki's write-up on Cam was racially motivated. That was Warren Moon.

IMO Nawrocki was much kinder to Russell in discussing his negatives than he was with Newton, and their intangibles aren't even close.
He said Russell was likely to be out of the NFL just as fast as making a Pro Bowl. He called him fat and lazy. He also said the team that drafts him could set their franchise back at least three years. That's kind? You only say that because he was right. Insanely right. That's about as harsh as it gets for a consensus #1 QB.

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Notes: Also played basketball as a Georgia prep. Began his collegiate career at Florida, where he signed on to play for then-head coach Urban Meyer and the Gators. Appeared in five games as a true freshman in 2007, completing 5-of-10 pass attempts (50 percent) for 40 yards with zero touchdowns and zero interceptions. Also rushed 16 times for 103 yards (6.4-yard average) and three touchdowns. Was slowed by an ankle injury in '08 — appeared in one contest, but ultimately redshirted (also sustained a minor neck injury in an early November car accident). Was arrested in late November and charged with felony charges of burglary, larceny and intimidating a witness, informant or victim after stealing a laptop computer from a student's dorm room and throwing it out the window when police arrived at Newton's for questioning. Charges were dropped upon his completion of a pretrial diversion program. Reportedly transferred rather than face possible expulsion stemming from three incidents of academic cheating, including two as a sophomore when he put his name on someone else's paper and purchased a paper online, attempting to pass it off as his own work. Landed at Blinn College (Texas) and won the NJCAA national championship in '09 — totaled 204-336-2,833-22-5 (60.1) passing and 108-655-16 (6.1) rushing in 12 games. Had a historic season for the national champion Tigers in '10 — 14-game starter was honored with the Heisman Trophy and the Maxwell, Walter Camp and Davey O'Brien Awards after leading the SEC in rushing and total offense by totaling 185-280-2,854-30-7 (66.1) through the air and 264-1,473-20 (5.6) on the ground. Also caught two passes for 42 yards (21.0) and a touchdown. Hurt his back in the BCS championship game. Was declared ineligible for a day leading up to the SEC title game — Newton's father, Cecil, allegedly enlisted an agent "runner" to initiate a pay-for-play bidding war for Cam's commitment. It was reported that Cam's desire was to play for Mississippi State, but he allegedly succumbed to his father's decision (Auburn) based on a six-figure payment. Was ultimately reinstated after the NCAA did not find sufficient evidence to prove Cam or Auburn officials were complicit in Cecil's actions. Had a 25-1 career starting record (including junior college).


Positives: Very well-built with big deltoids and a strapping physique. Excellent arm strength — can make difficult throws off-balance while on the move and air out the deep ball, hitting receivers in stride 50 yards downfield. Throws with velocity. Composed in pressure situations and found ways to come through in the clutch. Big, strong, physical runner. Pounds defenders and can push a pile — almost always falls forward. Smooth-striding, fluid-moving athlete. Highly competitive and productive against top Southeastern Conference competition — rose to the occasion against Alabama and Oregon on the biggest of stages. Very savvy — confident, charming and charismatic and can light up a room. Highly competitive and plays with passion.

Negatives: Played in a simplified, run-first, dive-option read offense with very basic high-low reads. Worked exclusively out of the gun and was very quick to run at the first flash of coverage. Limited field vision — does not process the passing game. Inconsistent throwing mechanics with a flick delivery — generates all of his power from his upper-body strength and too often arms the ball. Streaky passer with spotty accuracy. Makes his receivers work hard and throws into coverage. Does not spin a tight spiral. Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and always will struggle to win a locker room. Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.

Summary: An extremely talented, dual-threat QB who carried Auburn to a national title, Newton has the arm and athletic talent desired in a rollout, play-action, bootleg vertical passing game and would fit ideally into an offense such as that of the Redskins or Raiders. However, he always will test the rules, be difficult to manage and lacks the intangibles to win the trust of a locker room. Will require a very strong-willed, demanding coach to live up to his potential and avoid the trappings of fame and fortune, but even the greatest taskmaster will not be able to keep away the drama that is still swirling from a stained Heisman Trophy and littered recruiting trail that Newton left in the SEC. Can provide an initial spark, but will quickly be dissected and contained by NFL defensive coordinators, struggle to sustain success and will not prove worthy of an early investment. An overhyped, high-risk, high-reward selection with a glaring bust factor, Newton is sure to be drafted more highly than he should and could foreclose a risk-taking GM's job and taint a locker room.
That's the whole scouting report, not just a snippet. I think he does more than enough to present a "skeleton of an argument." If you look at Newton's history, outlined in the notes section, and have watched him during interviews then you can understand where Nawrocki is coming from. Will he gain the trust of a locker room? I don't know and I can't refute that. Nawrocki is the one on that limb, however fragile or sturdy it may be. Was Newton liked at Auburn by a bunch of a kids? Yeah. Is it different being a "leader of men" (as they like to say on NFLN) at the NFL level? Yeah, it is.

Vince Young was one of the best leaders I've ever seen at the college level and elevated his game to unparalleled standards. Supreme confidence entering the NFL. A couple years into a mediocre career and he's about to eat a gun. Where did that come from? Being a leader in the NFL is different than being a leader in college. It just is. Nawrocki highlights aspects of Newton's intangibles in the positive section that lead you to believe that he can "light up a room" and be a leader. Nawrocki is leaning towards him becoming more infatuated with fame then being a student of the game, which is a criticism that is completely valid and a legitimate concern that NFL teams do have. A big reason why it's a concern? Cam's big mouth. He said it himself, he is thinking, before he's done a ******* thing in the NFL, that he's going to be more than just a football player, but be an icon and sell Cam Newton lifestyle apparel and a whole bunch of other crap. Cam brought criticisms like this upon himself.
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How can anyone say that Newton didn't get into trouble while at Auburn when he was ******* declared ineligible to play in December? I get that people think Newton will be a good pro and they want to defend him, but why do they always act like he has never done anything wrong? Newton supporters generally just brush off every single thing he has been accused of off the field.

Even if you remove all the off the field stuff and character concerns, there are still many questions about what he does on the field and how it translates to NFL success.
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http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story...196114&catid=3

WOW it seems Saint Gabbert has some character issues as well. I don't remember Cam Newton drinking underage and getting into bar fights.

Character issues are way overblown on Newton.

The truth is if this was Newton right now people would be saying he should be drafted in the second round. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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WOW it seems Saint Gabbert has some character issues as well. I don't remember Cam Newton drinking underage and getting into bar fights.

Character issues are way overblown on Newton.

The truth is if this was Newton right now people would be saying he should be drafted in the second round. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Have you read any of the posts in here or did you just find that article and rushed to the nearest Cam Newton conversation? Read the thread and keep up chief.
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Have you read any of the posts in here or did you just find that article and rushed to the nearest Came Newton conversation? Read the thread and keep up chief.
No it just shows the hypocrisy that some people show especially the guy who wrote the article.
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Totally! You're right as evidenced by his Clausen scouting report. I'm sure he will have a glowing report on Ryan Mallett as well.
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How can anyone say that Newton didn't get into trouble while at Auburn when he was ******* declared ineligible to play in December? I get that people think Newton will be a good pro and they want to defend him, but why do they always act like he has never done anything wrong? Newton supporters generally just brush off every single thing he has been accused of off the field.

Even if you remove all the off the field stuff and character concerns, there are still many questions about what he does on the field and how it translates to NFL success.
He was declared ineligible for ONE DAY by Auburn pending the conclusion of a cursory NCAA investigation and didn't miss a game.
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There's a difference between critiquing a player and slander.

What Nawrocki said about Newton would be like someone saying not only is Illini LB Martez Wilson slow to diagnose plays, he's also a coward who lacks courage to overcome adversity and will be first to surrender when things get tough.

IMO that's the equivalent of Nawrocki's negative opinion on Newton; he went from making an analysis based on empirical observation to instead ruminating on his own personal theories and psychological diagnoses of Cam Newton.

That's not scouting. That's throwing piles of dog poop at a prospect and hoping you land a headshot.

Also, Nawrocki came at Newton harder than Carroll ever did at Sanchez. Carroll praised Mark before explaining why he should stay another year, which basically came down to Carroll articulating that Mark would increase his preparedness for the NFL with more college starts.

He didn't attack Sanchez' character.

Blacks have a unique position of being a minority population in the U.S. but representing the overwhelming majority of NFL and FBS football players.

I agree I don't like to hear an announcer say x-player is the 'first' AA to do etc., because said accomplishment no longer represents overcoming institutional racism and really is just a career milestone for a coach or player.

The league doesn't bench all the Black QBs once the playoffs start, or suspend every AA HC.

Complaining, or becoming vocal about a perceived grievance is how things change in this country. It's what mobilizes political movements and gets laws passed.
No one respects you for bending over, grabbing your ankles and biting a hole in your pillow while you dutifully get plowed.

However, we the public decide whether you grievance is justified.
Most people on this board think Moon was wrong in his racial criticism of Nawrocki because it isn't relevant since no one knows what's going on inside his head.
If the analysis is overboard, than it is. Doesn't really matter why.

And honestly, only because it would be cool to see it because you really don't that much beyond HS, but how many White RBs and corners are there starting for BCS schools to say they're really being discriminated against by the NFL??

Those dudes are being screwed by college recruiters early on in the process.

And don't expect to ever hear some analyst give props to Hillis for breaking a thousand yards because he's White.

Wait until Tobey Gerhart gets traded in about 5 years to a ground pound team, his jersey sales will be epic!!
You did hear the two guys on NFL.com who spent some time in NFL war rooms respond to the criticisms as the types of things you would read in a scouting report, right? Will we see scouts being sued if their reports are leaked and a prospect's stock is hurt? Like I said, if you want candy-coated stick with the popular guys that play it safe and grow their audiences by not offending the audience.

As for the racial charges Moon brought up, that's just the lazy person's way of deflecting without dealing with an issue. For years most people have been scared shitless to press an issue once the race card comes out. It looks like that has been so overplayed that it is losing effectiveness and people are rightfully starting to dismiss people that can't actually back it up with anything of substance.
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Racism exists, but calling something or someone 'racist' doesn't necessarily make it so.

I really only had an issue with one part of Nawrocki's write-up on Cam, BTW, the character stuff. The rest IMO was fair, even if I didn't agree.
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He was declared ineligible for ONE DAY by Auburn pending the conclusion of a cursory NCAA investigation and didn't miss a game.
You're right, It's annoying when innocent guys get randomly suspended for no reason.
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You're right, It's annoying when innocent guys get randomly suspended for no reason.
It wasn't for "no reason". Auburn's compliance department was all over the Newton thing for months. Declaring Newton "ineligible" was a strategic move that after months of compliance forced the NCAA into ruling him eligible....a brilliant move, and the reason why no one from Auburn broke a sweat during that time when people were going ape-****. What, you think that after they ignored everything and continued to play him they all of a sudden changed their mind and randomly chose to rule him ineligible?
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Where did that come from?

Has Nawrocki done a report on any of the other top QBs in the draft??
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Are you? They didn't freaking rule him ineligible because they thought he did anything wrong; they ruled him ineligible because it was a deal that was already made behind the scenes with the NCAA, a deal that was extremely beneficial for Auburn. Why do you think the NCAA overturned his eligibility so quickly? It was pre-planned.
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